Ohh okay yeah there is probably more then. I don’t really keep up with Drake nowadays unless there’s a thing that everyone is talking about. He’s extremely corny to me now and I’ve always said his best era music wise was the days of Thank me later and Take Care
Ahh ok. Thought it wasn't due to the but where he says Drake mentioned his family. Unless Drake mentioned it in an earlier track.
J Cole apologising really ruined this whole thing. Everyone knew Drake never stood a chance against Kendrick lyrically and even though he had some decent bars in his responses he was never gonna seriously hurt K Dot. At least with Cole he has the ability to compete with Kendrick on a lyrical level even though I think Kendrick is a better rapper. They could’ve produced some all time classics if they really went at it but I guess this was always more personal for Drake and Kendrick with Cole sort of just caught up in it and wasn’t really feeling it.
Not just her, there have been a few female celebs, fans and influencers around the age of 15-17 that he's been creepy around.
Drake is turning into JA Rule. He's a great hit maker and very successful mainstream but gets bodied when trying to act the hard man.
JA could have carried on having an illustrious career releasing songs with Ashanti on the hook. That's what his fans wanted but he got so caught up being the big man and making diss albums and releasing songs live Clap Back and then we all know how that ended.
Looks like the same can happen to Drake if he carries on.
Cole lacking the heart has really ruined a lot of his reputation. I guess he's happy with his decision but we missed out on something potentially great
He probably looked to his left and saw that his tag team partner is Drake and thought "feck that, I wanna keep my career"
No it didn't, he made a smart decision. And there's enough people mad at each other that his presence hasn't been missed
There is no animosity in his heart, no need to get into the mud slinging
Talk about him ruining his reputation is nonsense
Didn't someone earlier in Cole's career diss him and then retract? It's come full circle
I’m talking purely from a content perspective, two great rappers going toe to toe would’ve been great. I know Cole was never seriously feeling it and actually likes Kendrick anyway.
the funniest thing is this last Drake drop is probably the best actual track of the whole beef, from an aesthetically lyrical and production standpoint (that Beatles beat at the end is sick) whereas these last two Kendrick ones have been quite simplistic for him, but the content has been evil, whereas Drakes has been… well, aesthetic. I’ve never really liked Drake but I’ve got to give him a lot of credit for actually kinda rising to it today… only for Kendrick to make it almost irrelevant within 20 minutes.
He’s clearly baited him into this because he genuinely fecking hates him & Drake was never gonna win.The best thing to happen to ‘proper’ Hip Hop for ages though (though I do also agree with @adexkola that any attempt to dismiss the more commercial stuff is silly…. We are in the Commercial Hip Hop thread for a start, and even a lot of the ‘hard’ stuff in Hip Hop is empty posturing - also “backpacker simplification” is a great line) just because the quality is as high as the profile, which is rare.
The last few days have seen some good beats at last too. People like to pretend it doesn’t matter but all the best most enduring diss tracks have been bangers to some extent, and the early ones were all kinda crap (First Person Shooter was alright, but it’s only just about part of the main event) Even Euphoria seemed like it was over some early 00s Rap forum stuff. The kinda thing you’d get by searching “battle beat” on Napster….
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Damn. He really went out sad
I completely agree. I don’t want to sound like I’m taking anything away from Drake, I actually like him and he has my full respect for going head on into this beef. Anyone that has the balls to battle deserves respect, especially when going up against someone with the lyrical ability of Kendrick.the funniest thing is this last Drake drop is probably the best actual track of the whole beef, from an aesthetically lyrical and production standpoint (that Beatles beat at the end is sick) whereas these last two Kendrick ones have been quite simplistic for him, but the content has been evil, whereas Drakes has been… well, aesthetic. I’ve never really liked Drake but I’ve got to give him a lot of credit for actually kinda rising to it today… only for Kendrick to make it almost irrelevant within 20 minutes.
The best thing to happen to ‘proper’ Hip Hop for ages though (though I do also agree with @adexkola that any attempt to dismiss the more commercial stuff is silly…. We are in the Commercial Hip Hop thread for a start, and even a lot of the ‘hard’ stuff in Hip Hop is empty posturing) just because the quality is as high as the profile, which is rare.
The last few days have seen some good beats at last too. People like to pretend it doesn’t matter but all the best most enduring diss tracks have been bangers to some extent, and the early ones were all kinda crap (First Person Shooter was alright, but it’s only just about part of the main event) Even Euphoria seemed like it was over some early 00s Rap forum stuff. The kinda thing you’d get by searching “battle beat” on Napster….
I just think Cole and Kendrick battling it out would’ve been amazing from a pure rap perspective. You’re right though, this whole thing has given the hip hop scene a much needed spark and it’s a great time to be a rap fan. Chris Brown’s even getting in the mix and has actually dropped on of the best diss tracks recently called Weakest Link aimed at Quavo.
Yeah this is really good. Can't believe it came from him.
Why did Drake diss Kendrick?
They stopped working together after Kendrick's control verse and have been sneak dissing each other on occasion since.
That part would be a lot more convincing if he didn't release that response in the first place. Although retracting it was probably the second best choice.
Just listened to the last few tracks.
feck me, Kendrick really does straight up hate Drake doesn’t he
feck me, Kendrick really does straight up hate Drake doesn’t he
Indeed, in fact as someone whose mostly phased out of caring much about hip hop over the last decade, in a weird way I’ve come out of this with a bit more respect for Drake (on the basis of already being well aware of Kendrick’s level, and that he always gonna win this)… if Drake is very lucky he could end up with some Rocky-esque pyrrhic cred-in-defeat from the whole thing, whereas Drake’s younger more poppy fanbase might gain some counteracting love for dot (if they don’t think he’s just a big horrible meany) so, win win for the ‘scene’ really*
*Drake’s mainstream dancey fans aren’t really gonna care about how deep Kendrick’s gone, and the kind of Radiohead-esque Kendrick fans making up 20 extra symbolic meanings for his track titles weren’t gonna respect Drake anyway, so everyone in the middle just gets to enjoy some enjoyable shit.
Though that would probably annoy Kendrick the most, as he genuinely just does seem to want to end his career
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No coming back from that
Drake has been murdered
Talking directly to the man’s family is something haven’t seen before
Drake has been murdered
Talking directly to the man’s family is something haven’t seen before
Drake will probably just release a tiktok friendly track and his fans will get distracted and he will be back to dominating charts. As I said earlier, he don't want to get Ja Rule'd and he's smarter than Ja so will revert to what works for him in my opinion.Indeed, in fact as someone whose mostly phased out of caring much about hip hop over the last decade, in a weird way I’ve come out of this with a bit more respect for Drake (on the basis of already being well aware of Kendrick’s level, and that he always gonna win this)… if Drake is very lucky he could end up with some Rocky-esque pyrrhic cred-in-defeat from the whole thing, whereas Drake’s younger more poppy fanbase might gain some counteracting love for dot (if they don’t think he’s just a big horrible meany) so, win win for the ‘scene’ really*
*Drake’s mainstream dancey fans aren’t really gonna care about how deep Kendrick’s gone, and the kind of Radiohead-esque Kendrick fans making up 20 extra symbolic meanings for his track titles weren’t gonna respect Drake anyway, so everyone in the middle just gets to enjoy some enjoyable shit.
Though that would probably annoy Kendrick the most, as he genuinely just does seem to want to end his career
I listened to it again
There was nothing personal in his diss. It was just a remake of Jay-Z lying about the quality of Nas' discography.
(And what's up with disses and people lying? Is Kendrick a wife beater? Does Drake have a daughter? Was Jay-Z really 36 in a Karate class? And so on...)
With what we've seen... Does Kendrick (who has some serious anger issues regarding Drake by the way
) have the discipline to keep the records above ground and just focus on Cole's music and they just jab back and forth? I don't know. I think Cole maybe noticed the negative energy and decided to peace out. Derided at the time, but while fun, the latest 2 songs from both Drake and Kendrick, while funny at times, are just spiteful. I don't think hip-hop is any better off for recent events.Agreed with @Mockney; the latest Drake song was actually great (freeing the slaves line aside). I'd still have Kendrick ahead
So your saying Cole should’ve gone the full blown compliment battle route?I listened to it again
There was nothing personal in his diss. It was just a remake of Jay-Z lying about the quality of Nas' discography.
(And what's up with disses and people lying? Is Kendrick a wife beater? Does Drake have a daughter? Was Jay-Z really 36 in a Karate class? And so on...)
With what we've seen... Does Kendrick (who has some serious anger issues regarding Drake by the way
Agreed with @Mockney; the latest Drake song was actually great (freeing the slaves line aside). I'd still have Kendrick ahead
Who’s winning?
The whole Drake/Ja comparison doesn't really compare well in this scenario. First of all Drake is bigger than Ja, way bigger commercially than Ja ever was. Second of all Ja was also up against Eminem/50, 2 artists who were commercially way bigger than he was. Kendrick, despite being a better lyricist than Drake isn't anywhere near as big as Drake commercially.
whoever has evidence of what they claimed.
Shock factor and gossip rap is not healthy or good for hip hop. It feels as if after Story of Adidon every one is looking for that bombshell reveal, at least Pusha name referenced everyone he revealed. But contacting camps for gossip and not trying to just compete is not how we’ll see who’s better head to head.
They're just looking for leaks without any receipts. There’s also nothing surprising about having numerous beat switches in one song after 2016, these need to stop. Do people not have any attention span?
They're just looking for leaks without any receipts. There’s also nothing surprising about having numerous beat switches in one song after 2016, these need to stop. Do people not have any attention span?
I'm talking more about the types of music they made. Drake finds success in commercial music just like ja did.
Great, thanks!
I think Cole clearly got word from people close to Kendrick where Kendrick was going with this and wisely moved aside.
This is not a friendly competition battle.
For all the stick Cole took it looks like a good move now from him
I watched the entire video
What should Cole have done? Maybe should have reached out through back channels to Kendrick to keep the diss records above the belt, just limited to album critiques?
Agreed. Except for the best switches, I do enjoy them in moderation ha
If it wasn't for the industry keeping Drake above water and backing him then Kendrick would have already finished this well before meet the Grahams. There are too many bars, lines, doubles, and triples to keep up with. Drake is lucky he has the fanbase and backing he does.
No I agree. There’s no point him being involved in this. He’d just be kind of off to the side doing some nice little bars on his own whilst the other two threw literal shit at each other anyway.
If he is fearing a similar fate to Ja, such fears are overblown. Ja Rule wasn't as popular back then as Drake is now. Plus I think 50 Cent and his gangster rap was a breath of fresh air to the poppy, shiny suits era of hip-hop after Biggie's demise, which is why he was overwhelmingly supported.
Drake is more entrenched in today's rap scene. And rap is more fragmented today, I don't think we will ever get back to a situation where grimy rap is suddenly mainstream and Drake suddenly becomes a non-entity. I think Kendrick made a mistake of thinking there's something you could say on wax that would take Drake out, and it seems he's getting more desperate with each diss track. He needs to just accept that this is a new era, a lot of fans don't care about culture vultures and ghostwriters, they just want to shake arse in Miami to his songs
Pusha T did his best headshot attempt against Drake, and then Drake came out with Hotline Bling and that was the end of that.
A new competitor has entered the arena.
Yeah but surely there's a point when legacy counts? Otherwise surely Drake just walks away?
Yea, there is no reason to suggest that Cole was ever going anywhere personal in that potential beef.I listened to it again
There was nothing personal in his diss. It was just a remake of Jay-Z lying about the quality of Nas' discography.
(And what's up with disses and people lying? Is Kendrick a wife beater? Does Drake have a daughter? Was Jay-Z really 36 in a Karate class? And so on...)
With what we've seen... Does Kendrick (who has some serious anger issues regarding Drake by the way
Agreed with @Mockney; the latest Drake song was actually great (freeing the slaves line aside). I'd still have Kendrick ahead
It is entirely plausible that the main reason he backed out was because he noticed how low Kendrick and Drake were willing to go and that put him off, but him releasing a diss track, it immidiately getting a lot of bad reception gives him additional, much simpler and less mature incentive to do that exact same thing.
RIP Pat Stay
Both excellent tracks.
It all comes down to whoever has receipts.
It all comes down to whoever has receipts.
Just listened to Meet the Grahams... wow that is an utter dismantling of Drake. How does he come back from this?