Champions League Group B

VfL Wolfsburg 3:2 Manchester United

Volkswagen Arena

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Tue, 8 December 2015 @ 7:45pm GMT
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    This is probably the first CL game that I'm going into being pessimistic about our chances of making it to the next round.

    Our attack just isn't spontaneous or unpredictable. It's either slow and deliberative or route 1 football hoping for the best at the moment. We have flashes of good play, but the players just can't seem to sustain it.

    Maybe this will turn out like last season where we kept improving our passing and possession game as the season wore on. Starting with dominating possession in games for short periods to eventually being able to see out games. I guess this season is a culmination of all our efforts from last season, and the players look much more comfortable and calmer in possession than they were at this time last year but that has come at a cost of risky passes and creative play.

    I feel like the main issue for the team is that most of the players are not used to playing a possession game, and in the process of ensuring they keep the ball, they lose their ability to make a spontaneous attacking pass because of the extra thinking that's going into the whole process. (Is it the right pass? Will I lose the ball?)

    I don't mean to say our players are stupid its just that Van Gaal's insistence on making only smart passes that doesn't leave us exposed (not making passes like Blind did int he 1st half vs West Ham), the players are taking that extra second to think over a pass (like a through ball from the deep that set Martial free), and giving the time opposition to take up better positions.

    Under Fergie, we used to play a lot of counter attacking football as we didn't mind not having the ball all the time and preferred to invite teams to attack us and then catch them on the counter using fast wingers and attackers. Fergie liked players taking a chance and playing a risky pass from the back or wingers taking on fullbacks to beat them and get a cross in. He put his faith in the defense being able to cover for any loss in possession.

    Right now our biggest issue is that the players don't instinctively know where their teammates are the moment they get the ball, and this is the difference between the high tempo football that Barca used to play and what we're doing at the moment. This is what I think Van Gaal is building towards, where everyone knows where the others are and playing the quick pass to move the ball from one end of the pitch to the other, unsettling the opposition and causing them to lose their defensive shape. Thus creating spaces for players to move into.

    This will take time to happen, and I don't really think it will happen anytime soon. We might struggle vs Wolfsburg because they will be setup to play against us on the counter while Van Gaal will set the team to ensure we don't caught on the counter. We will need someone to provide some bit of individual magic to get a win here.
     
    Omens are right.

    Newcastle beat the Dippers. We will win the next two matches.
    :lol:

    We've got our backs against the wall, and the players know it, the manager knows it. I expect to see an attacking lineup and a very strong start.

    If they set up the counter initially, Schurrle and Draxler can hurt us. If they try to go end to end with us, we'll beat them convincingly. West Ham were strong in defense and yet we got so many chances, if Wolfsburg don't respect our offense and attitude today, we can hurt them plenty with Lingard, Mata, Depay and Martial.

    United to win this and top the group.
     
    :lol:

    We've got our backs against the wall, and the players know it, the manager knows it. I expect to see an attacking lineup and a very strong start.

    If they set up the counter initially, Schurrle and Draxler can hurt us. If they try to go end to end with us, we'll beat them convincingly. West Ham were strong in defense and yet we got so many chances, if Wolfsburg don't respect our offense and attitude today, we can hurt them plenty with Lingard, Mata, Depay and Martial.

    United to win this and top the group.

    Have you been eating mushroom soup at Radagast's house again?

    No, seriously, you might be right.
     
    Draxler - Schürrle - Kruse is better than what we have to offer in the attacking department.

    I would rate the chances 70:30 for Wolfsburg.

    It is not impossible but quite hard.
     
    I really missed these important European matches. I can't wait for the game!
     
    Not feeling too good about this. Hope to be pleasantly surprised but I'm thinking 2-0 to them.
     
    Let's see LVG the team motivator in action for a must win game. Somehow I tried to imagine him giving a speech like Al Pacino in Any Given Sunday and burst into laughter.
     
    Another match without Rooney will add to an improved performance from the forwards I'm sure. They were definitely better against West Ham regardless of the level still not being good enough.

    I hope we see better link-up play anyway. I expect it.
     
    Must admit I've been more confident in the past for games. I can see it going both ways, but right now I'm sticking to my more pessimistic view.
     
    Dunno why so many have us to lose, our defence is immense and we look to be trying something new in the attacking/midfield department if rumours are to be believed.
     
    Since when have United fans been scared of teams like Wolfsburg?
    FFS get a grip. If we lose we lose but please spare the whole "feck me we have to play Wolfsburg" bullshit.
     
    Since when have United fans been scared of teams like Wolfsburg?
    FFS get a grip. If we lose we lose but please spare the whole "feck me we have to play Wolfsburg" bullshit.

    Perhaps folks take into account 1) Our first match against them 2) The sad state of our attack and see little reasons to be optimistic.
     
    Is Carrick out of tonight's game?

    It sounds like Louis say "Carrick shall not play tomorrow" at the 1 minute mark of the pre match press conference, but everyone seems to have him in their lineups.

     
    Is Carrick out of tonight's game?

    It sounds like Louis say "Carrick shall not play tomorrow" at the 1 minute mark of the pre match press conference, but everyone seems to have him in their lineups.


    That was for the home game
     
    Is Carrick out of tonight's game?

    It sounds like Louis say "Carrick shall not play tomorrow" at the 1 minute mark of the pre match press conference, but everyone seems to have him in their lineups.



    Yes he is out of that match against Wolfsburg but for people without a time machine, he shall play.
     
    Is Carrick out of tonight's game?

    It sounds like Louis say "Carrick shall not play tomorrow" at the 1 minute mark of the pre match press conference, but everyone seems to have him in their lineups.



    I think that's the press conference from the first game at Old Trafford.
     
    Is Carrick out of tonight's game?

    It sounds like Louis say "Carrick shall not play tomorrow" at the 1 minute mark of the pre match press conference, but everyone seems to have him in their lineups.



    Well done posting an 18 minute long pre match presser without realising the video is from September.
     
    Expect the worst, hope for the best kind of game. I'm too nervous
     
    This is it gents.
    IMO, this is the biggest single game, since LVG took over.
    Win this and we are through to the next round in the CL.
     
    That was for the home game

    Yes he is out of that match against Wolfsburg but for people without a time machine, he shall play.

    I think that's the press conference from the first game at Old Trafford.

    Well done posting an 18 minute long pre match presser without realising the video is from September.
    :lol::lol:

    Sorry! But why the feck is it on page 1 of this thread?!

    I watched the first minute and freaked out. He was also talking about Herrera being injured so I assumed it was up to date.
     
    Well done posting an 18 minute long pre match presser without realising the video is from September.

    LOL.
    Damn, you guys are strict.
    Even the posters are being held to the highest standards. :eek:
     
    There's no way we win this without Rooney.
    hi

    I'd say that the opposite is true.
    With him in the team all our attacks are slow and lack energy.
    As we saw against WHU, we played much faster and had 20+ shots on goal (there is no way that we can shoot 20+ times in 90 minutes, if Rooney plays).

    19% predicting 0-0.

    I agree with this prediction.

    If this ends 0-0, LVG deserves the criticism.
    I'd rather lose 2-0, while trying to attack them, rather than a weak/pathetic 0-0, with no intent.
    I think we will win this.
     
    Really hate predicting scores - especailly since I've been right about three 0-0 results this season. But I can't see tonight's game being scoreless. Trouble is, I can't see where are goals are going to come from (a problem LVG shares, it seems!). So, I'm going to go for either 1-1 or them to win 3-1. If the first is the case, I have no idea whether the Russians can do us a massive favour...
     
    Dunno why so many have us to lose, our defence is immense and we look to be trying something new in the attacking/midfield department if rumours are to be believed.

    Something new? Not much to get excited about when you look at the quality of our options in the front 6 positions. It's fecking awful. Truly awful.
     
    @Niall You might want to swap out the prematch presser on page 1 for the one below. That one is from September

     
    Really hate predicting scores - especailly since I've been right about three 0-0 results this season. But I can't see tonight's game being scoreless. Trouble is, I can't see where are goals are going to come from (a problem LVG shares, it seems!). So, I'm going to go for either 1-1 or them to win 3-1. If the first is the case, I have no idea whether the Russians can do us a massive favour...
    Memphis. Tonight is Memphis' night. Or, that is my hope-fuelled prediction.
     
    Here is my question, hands up if you are secretly dreading having to watch this?

    What I mean is if I drink a pint or two i am pretty sure I will nod off from lack of excitement. Any one else feel that way?

    And honestly this is a big CL game and I could not of even imagined ever having this feeling just two years ago... :(.
     
    Here is my question, hands up if you are secretly dreading having to watch this?

    What I mean is if I drink a pint or two i am pretty sure I will nod off from lack of excitement. Any one else feel that way?

    And honestly this is a big CL game and I could not of even imagined ever having this feeling just two years ago... :(.
    It is exactly this that i have against LVG. I hate seeing United lose but expect that to happen every now and then. And more often than that in days gone by (in the mid 1970s), but I hate the idea of being bored by United. Hate it...
     
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Score Predictions

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  • Man Utd win
  • Wolfsburg win
  • Draw

Detailed Results

  • 19% Wolfsburg 0:1 Man Utd
  • 18% Wolfsburg 0:0 Man Utd
  • 14% Wolfsburg 1:2 Man Utd
  • 12% Wolfsburg 1:1 Man Utd
  • 9% Wolfsburg 2:0 Man Utd
  • 8% Wolfsburg 0:2 Man Utd
  • 6% Wolfsburg 1:0 Man Utd
  • 5% Wolfsburg 2:1 Man Utd
  • 3% Wolfsburg 1:3 Man Utd
  • 1% Wolfsburg 0:3 Man Utd
  • 1% Wolfsburg 0:5 Man Utd
  • 1% Wolfsburg 3:1 Man Utd
  • 1% Wolfsburg 3:0 Man Utd
  • 1% Wolfsburg 2:3 Man Utd
  • 0% Wolfsburg 1:4 Man Utd
  • 0% Wolfsburg 0:4 Man Utd
  • 0% Wolfsburg 2:2 Man Utd
  • 0% Wolfsburg 4:1 Man Utd
  • 0% Wolfsburg 5:0 Man Utd
  • 0% Wolfsburg 5:5 Man Utd
  • 0% Wolfsburg 4:0 Man Utd
  • 0% Wolfsburg 2:4 Man Utd
  • 0% Wolfsburg 3:2 Man Utd
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  1. Wolfsburg
  2. Man Utd
Possession
45% 55%
Shots
10 18
Shots on Target
6 6
Corners
6 5
Fouls
8 13

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Milorad Mazic