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Swansea City 2:1 Manchester United

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    Big game. As LVG says we dropped 6 points last year.

    Swansea are one of those sides that can trip up the big clubs and help decide the title race.
     
    Sigma said:
    I have a sneaky feeling Valencia will start.
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    I would be concerned by Montero going at him one one on, especially with Gomis potentially staying away from Smalling and near Blind for crosses.
     
    I hope my match prediction for this one is wrong.

    But I expect to see Herrera in and Januzaj out, Morgan in too. Will we see Wilson on the bench? Not unthinkable ... Maybe another change or two, but no idea who.
     
    Romero

    Darmian Mike Blind Shaw

    Basti Schneiderlin

    Herrera
    Mata ....................... Memphis
    Shrek

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    2-0 United. Defensive shape is fantastic and Herrera is the key to us playing attractive football
     
    Tough game and I've got a feeling we'll lose. We've been playing really well but it just seems like Swansea know how to beat us. Hopefully I'm wrong.
     
    This could be a good test for us. Swansea will attack and give us chances to counter.

    Given our recent results there, if we can pull off a win, and maybe keep anther clean sheet, it would be quite the statement.

    Edit: Herrera must start
     
    Best form of defense is attack, and hopefully the confidence will serve to build some form..


    Romero
    Darmian Smalling Blind Shaw
    Schneiderlin
    Herrer Schwein
    Mata................Memphis
    Rooney
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    Valencia has to start this one against Montero. Said it a couple days ago, but after he didn't feature last night, I'm not sure he will.
     
    Rozay said:
    Valencia has to start this one against Montero. Said it a couple days ago, but after he didn't feature last night, I'm not sure he will.
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    Why, just because he knows him? Darmian's a proper full-back, the better player, and has been superb all season for us.
     
    Brightonian said:
    Why, just because he knows him? Darmian's a proper full-back, the better player, and has been superb all season for us.
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    Because he can match his speed. Could give a feck if he 'knows him'. Montero won't be able to leave him all day long. If we can nullify that threat, Swanse have little else.
     
    Rozay said:
    Because he can match his speed. Could give a feck if he 'knows him'. Montero won't be able to leave him all day long. If we can nullify that threat, Swanse have little else.
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    Being able to match his pace won't let Valencia stop him. The best way to do that is to actually be an excellent fullback, which is what Darmian is. Whereas Valencia is a liability there who, while he made a brave effort filling in last season, also lost us matches (Arsenal being the obvious example). And he was really poor in the fifteen minutes he got against Newcastle, rating lower than anyone bar Rooney in the caf's match day thread.
     
    Rozay said:
    Because he can match his speed. Could give a feck if he 'knows him'. Montero won't be able to leave him all day long. If we can nullify that threat, Swanse have little else.
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    That is mental, we finally get a real right back who is pretty quick, but not rapid, and you want to put Valencia back there after Darmians been arguably in out top 3 players so far...

    Very strange
     
    This is the sort of match where I would be "budgeting" a draw for our rivals. Massive three points if they can win it.
    Also, 10/12 points would be a fantastic start to the season.
     
    AngeloHenriquez said:
    That is mental, we finally get a real right back who is pretty quick, but not rapid, and you want to put Valencia back there after Darmians been arguably in out top 3 players so far...

    Very strange
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    I genuinely, genuinely do not get people on the caf. I offered a specific rationale behind my thinking of playing Valencia instead for one game, yet you have now paraphrased it into a BS tabloid sensationalist headline that implies that I have woken up one day and randomly decided that I don't want Darmian, and that Valencia should be our right-back instead.

    We both know the point that I was making. At least @Brightonian has replied with some appropriateness.
     
    Brightonian said:
    Being able to match his pace won't let Valencia stop him. The best way to do that is to actually be an excellent fullback, which is what Darmian is. Whereas Valencia is a liability there who, while he made a brave effort filling in last season, also lost us matches (Arsenal being the obvious example). And he was really poor in the fifteen minutes he got against Newcastle, rating lower than anyone bar Rooney in the caf's match day thread.
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    Being able to keep up with him will go a long way. Even if Darmian is not out of position, which I doubt he will be - chances are, Montero will skip round him, and then run away from him - as he's done to every right back he's come up against thus far. It is not a case of Pedro-like movement causing terror - he statistically beats his man 75% of the time I believe in a straight one-on-one.

    I can see Darmian being booked early (he has been booked in every League game so far I think) and then we'll be fecked. Darmian is far and away a 'better right back', but teams have squads and a range of assets and weapons for a reason - and I just feel that some of Valencia's skill-set is of greater use against this particular opponent, who is a bit of an extreme case. Just like choosing to start Fellaini against a bunch of midgets doesn't mean we think he is a better centre-forward than Rooney.
     
    Use Herrera, Valencia or Young and double up on Montero if needed.
     
    Give Valencia this match. I'm not doubting Damian but he must be fatiguing and Montero is a very very quick player
     
    Rozay said:
    I genuinely, genuinely do not get people on the caf. I offered a specific rationale behind my thinking of playing Valencia instead for one game, yet you have now paraphrased it into a BS tabloid sensationalist headline that implies that I have woken up one day and randomly decided that I don't want Darmian, and that Valencia should be our right-back instead.

    We both know the point that I was making. At least @Brightonian has replied with some appropriateness.
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    If you really need me to explain it to you, that's more worrying. Which part of my reply did you miss? I stated why Darmian should be played, and stated that the reason you wanted Valencia (due to the bit of speed difference between the 2), it's heavily outweighed by Darmians ability to, you know, be a full back?

    I don't get people who want to take players and stick them in place of one of our best performing players, when they only offer a bit more speed, while being half the player defensively & attacking.

    Valencia's speed is not much greater than Darmians, the little extra he would bring, I feel would be heavily outweighed, not only that but the back 4 build up trust in each other, Smalling getting used to Val again would lead to a few more "thinking" than "instinctual" moments, so it would have an adverse affect on the whole teams performance IMO.
     
    Rozay said:
    Being able to keep up with him will go a long way. Even if Darmian is not out of position, which I doubt he will be - chances are, Montero will skip round him, and then run away from him - as he's done to every right back he's come up against thus far. It is not a case of Pedro-like movement causing terror - he statistically beats his man 75% of the time I believe in a straight one-on-one.

    I can see Darmian being booked early (he has been booked in every League game so far I think) and then we'll be fecked. Darmian is far and away a 'better right back', but teams have squads and a range of assets and weapons for a reason - and I just feel that some of Valencia's skill-set is of greater use against this particular opponent, who is a bit of an extreme case. Just like choosing to start Fellaini against a bunch of midgets doesn't mean we think he is a better centre-forward than Rooney.
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    I can see what you're saying, but I still totally disagree. Any slight advantage Valencia's better pace gives him is massively outweighed by him just being a much worse defender.

    So far Montero has come up against Van Aanholt, Janmaat and an all-over-the-place Ivanovic. Darmian has been significantly better than any of them this season - in fact, there's really not a right-back in the league who's been better, defensively. In theory, possibly a faster player (and let's not forget that Darmian is no slouch, there's not a massive margin between them) would be a good shout against Montero, but not when that player is so much worse on all other counts.

    If you really want to make changes to deal with Montero, you should be looking at Mata, not Darmian. The most impressive thing about Darmian's start to the season is that he's been so solid with one of the least defensively useful wingers in the league in front of him. Personally I think that, as ever, we should be looking to play our own game against a team who, while in dangerous form, are not our equals. But if you wanted to make adjustments, the obvious one would be to bring in Young for Mata for the sake of his excellent defensive contribution.
     
    Brightonian said:
    I can see what you're saying, but I still totally disagree. Any slight advantage Valencia's better pace gives him is massively outweighed by him just being a much worse defender.

    So far Montero has come up against Van Aanholt, Janmaat and an all-over-the-place Ivanovic. Darmian has been significantly better than any of them this season - in fact, there's really not a right-back in the league who's been better, defensively. In theory, possibly a faster player (and let's not forget that Darmian is no slouch, there's not a massive margin between them) would be a good shout against Montero, but not when that player is so much worse on all other counts.

    If you really want to make changes to deal with Montero, you should be looking at Mata, not Darmian. The most impressive thing about Darmian's start to the season is that he's been so solid with one of the least defensively useful wingers in the league in front of him. Personally I think that, as ever, we should be looking to play our own game against a team who, while in dangerous form, are not our equals. But if you wanted to make adjustments, the obvious one would be to bring in Young for Mata for the sake of his excellent defensive contribution.
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    Very good point about Mata, which would probably be an option to consider. I just think it's worth looking at, as much as I'd also like us to impose our own game, simply because I don't think Swansea have much else to hurt us with. Smalling will east Gomis alive, and Shneiderlein can handle the Shelvey threat I think.
     
    Rozay said:
    Very good point about Mata, which would probably be an option to consider. I just think it's worth looking at, as much as I'd also like us to impose our own game, simply because I don't think Swansea have much else to hurt us with. Smalling will east Gomis alive, and Shneiderlein can handle the Shelvey threat I think.
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    He's definitely their major threat, no doubt about that. Stifling him is definitely priority number one, defensively.
     
    Gambling on Wilson coming on as a sub in my prediction. Van Gaal tends to come down hard on people who disappoint, so I think Hernandez might well miss out on the bench for this one, which leaves a very obvious gap for Willo.
     
    Brightonian said:
    Gambling on Wilson coming on as a sub in my prediction. Van Gaal tends to come down hard on people who disappoint, so I think Hernandez might well miss out on the bench for this one, which leaves a very obvious gap for Willo.
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    Fellaini?
     
    ..............Romero........
    Matt....Mike.....Blind.....Shaw
    ..........Basti.........Morgan
    Mata.........Herrera.........Memories
    ................Rooney.................
     
    Can see this being a good game for us from an attacking viewpoint. Swansea, especially at home, will come out to play and not park the bus, so Rooney and Memphis should have good impacts. After losing twice vs them last season, we need to win I think. We were really unlucky both times I thought so hopefully we take our chances when they come.
     
    Romero; Darmian, Smalling, Blind, Shaw; Schneiderlin, Schweinsteiger; Mata, Herrera, Memphis; Rooney.

    Subs: Fellaini, Young, Carrick.
     
    On the lineup prediction leaderboard, the 1 guy has 6 predictions. Error?

    Anyway, on topic:

    -------------------Romero

    Darmian-----Smalling---Blind--------Shaw

    --------Schweinsteiger---Schneiderlin

    ---Mata------------Herrera---------Depay
    ---------------------Rooney

    Subs: Fellaini, Valencia and Carrick

    2-1 to United.
     
    Swansea is a naughty team, they could take away quite some points from the topclubs.
     
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9 11
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0 1
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