League Cup Round of 16

Swansea City 0:2 Manchester United

Liberty Stadium

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    One thing is taking the League Cup seriously (although we won it last season), another completely different and crazy is to jeopardize most of the team for the Premier Leaugue Tottenham and Chelsea game's, so much more important.
     
    VP89 said:
    Why should it matter if José takes it seriously? The fact remains that the majority of the top teams don't, which massively devalues the silverware.
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    Strange to say that considering City and Chelsea have won the last 3 trophies before our own last season.

    Anyway I hope you keep your opinion and won't get mad when we lose and get knocked out.
     
    VP89 said:
    Why should it matter if José takes it seriously? The fact remains that the majority of the top teams don't, which massively devalues the silverware.
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    So one of the best managers in the world takes it seriously, no matter at which club he is currently at, and that doesn't mean it is a good trophy just because others don't?

    I don't quite follow your logic here.
     
    VP89 said:
    Why should it matter if José takes it seriously? The fact remains that the majority of the top teams don't, which massively devalues the silverware.
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    I really couldn't care less what other clubs priorities are.

    It's very easy to sit on your arse and say its not important, far better to get out there and win it, then let those clubs that have won feck all for a decade, whinge that its not important.

    I believe that EVERY game is important, EVERY trophy is important (of course some more than others) but NEVER turn your nose up at any success or another scratch into the history books.

    After the past few performances, this game has even more significance, really don't want to lose this on the back of the Huddersfield display..!!
     
    We should be aiming to win as many matches and trophies as possible, and that should include this match, why would people not want us to be like that?
     
    Ikon said:
    I really couldn't care less what other clubs priorities are.

    It's very easy to sit on your arse and say its not important, far better to get out there and win it, then let those clubs that have won feck all for a decade, whinge that its not important.

    I believe that EVERY game is important, EVERY trophy is important (of course some more than others) but NEVER turn your nose up at any success or another scratch into the history books.

    After the past few performances, this game has even more significance, really don't want to lose this on the back of the Huddersfield display..!!
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    Very, very, well put, why anyone would turn their nose up at the chance to get one step closer to winning a trophy is quite unbelievable really.
     
    With all the injuries I have a bad feeling about this match. With all the Mourinho bashing going on for 2 weeks it might just reach a crescendo tonight.

    With important games coming up against top 4 contenders it is vital we avoid any more injuries ,,cards etc and try and win with our limited resources at the moment..it's a tough job. So I am not very optimistic for tonight!!
     
    ColvaleGoa said:
    With all the injuries I have a bad feeling about this match. With all the Mourinho bashing going on for 2 weeks it might just reach a crescendo tonight.

    With important games coming up against top 4 contenders it is vital we avoid any more injuries ,,cards etc and try and win with our limited resources at the moment..it's a tough job. So I am not very optimistic for tonight!!
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    Think positive vibes, and be happy!

    Far better to think happy thoughts, then to let negative ones consume you!
     
    Looking forward to this. Midweek football is great, no matter what competition it is.

    3-2 United
     
    groovyalbert said:
    Far far fitter and prepared for such a run of fixtures. He also is far less involved in games and doesn't constantly have to worry about being taken out of the game.
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    You have a point there, but such a run of games gets to every player, no matter how fit they are, just look at Pogba the physical monster or Valencia the machine. I would prefer him to be on top of his qualities against Tottenham.
     
    Android1974 said:
    You have a point there, but such a run of games gets to every player, no matter how fit they are. I would prefer him to be on top of his qualities against Tottenham.
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    Oh totally agree - in an ideal world you'd rest them both and I'm not entirely sure why we can't and just stick Martial up top for this one. But if one has to play, Rashford needs the rest more than Lukaku for me.
     
    If Shaw isn't good enough to start this match, there is no reason to think he would start another match this season.
     
    yo@Kirk said:
    If Shaw isn't good enough to start this match, there is no reason to think he would start another match this season.
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    Well, we have lots of players available in the particular position: Blind, Darmian, Young…
     
    Our defence is solid, two goals that came from two individual errors doesn't change that.

    Comfortable 2-0 win.
     
    RedRom said:
    Why will our loss to Huddersfield take some time to get over?

    A win tonight and we are back on track for winning a trophy!
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    It will certainly lift the mood. But the PL is our main target this year. So, a win against Spurs is what I really need!
     
    abhayselvan said:
    It will certainly lift the mood. But the PL is our main target this year. So, a win against Spurs is what I really need!
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    The PL might very well be our main target, but that shouldn't mean we let chances of other trophies go to the wayside.

    A win tonight, and we are back where we want to be, in the hunt/mix for another trophy.
     
    Looking forward to us winning this one to get the weekend loss out of the way...
    Predicting:
    Romero
    Darmian - Lindelof - Smalling - Shaw
    Herrera - Blind
    Lingard - Mata - Martial
    Rashford

    Alex Tuanzebe, Scott McTominay Mikhi to come in as sub.
     
    el3mel said:
    Strange to say that considering City and Chelsea have won the last 3 trophies before our own last season.

    Anyway I hope you keep your opinion and won't get mad when we lose and get knocked out.
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    Chelsea who had Mourinho, the only manager to really take the competition as seriously. And yeah, City the side that would be favourites even when they field their B team anyway.

    RedRom said:
    So one of the best managers in the world takes it seriously, no matter at which club he is currently at, and that doesn't mean it is a good trophy just because others don't?

    I don't quite follow your logic here.
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    My logic is consistent: the other teams prioritise it least and see it as nothing more than an opportunity to play kids or rotate squad players.

    You've got lots of managers quite clearly against it and it's reflected in the team sheets. Content and Pep called it a waste of energy and mourinho said similar, whilst going on to say he will field strong teams just to respect the competition. That doesn't make the trophy meaningful all of a sudden, just because one manager will respect it and the others will use it as a chance to give squad players minutes. We can wave our trophy in the air and say we won a cup where we consistently fielded a strong side and others rested key players. Big victory for us. Not.

    In fact, last year was proof that the carling Cup win doesn't slingshot a side into great form all of a sudden and if anything adds noise to the trophies that matter. I'd hate to be a club that says "we won 2 trophies in 2 years" and seriously counts the Cabarao Cup as one of them. It's a competition the key rivals don't take seriously, the win is dampened from that alone.

    Ikon said:
    I really couldn't care less what other clubs priorities are.

    It's very easy to sit on your arse and say its not important, far better to get out there and win it, then let those clubs that have won feck all for a decade, whinge that its not important.

    I believe that EVERY game is important, EVERY trophy is important (of course some more than others) but NEVER turn your nose up at any success or another scratch into the history books.

    After the past few performances, this game has even more significance, really don't want to lose this on the back of the Huddersfield display..!!
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    It's nice that you're passionate, but you can't deny that a trophy that most big clubs care little for is still meaningful. It pretty much is just noise. The cup is just a money making sponsorship gig, a rip off from the FA Cup, which is actually classed as a major trophy.
     
    VP89 said:
    Chelsea who had Mourinho, the only manager to really take the competition as seriously. And yeah, City the side that would be favourites even when they field their B team anyway.
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    Chelsea won the league that season. Also City won it twice one of them they were also the league champions, and the other one won it from Liverpool. If the league champions won it twice of the last 4 times this negates your opinion about top clubs not going for it much.
     
    el3mel said:
    Chelsea won the league that seasons. Also City won it twice one of them they were also the league champions, and the other one won it from Liverpool. If the league champions won it twice of the last 4 times this negates your opinion about top clubs not going for it much.
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    What's the correlation that the teams recently winning it tend to also win the league, other than them having a big squad?

    I don't need to give an opinion on anything, mine matters least. Just look at what Conte José and Pep say about it and tell me if it's seen as valuable to them. Jose respects all trophies, but the rest of them field a half strength side. That tells you all you need to know about their priorities.
     
    VP89 said:
    What's the correlation that the teams recently winning it tend to also win the league, other than them having a big squad?
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    If top teams don't care about it, why are they winning it ?
     
    VP89 said:
    Because their rotated squad players are better than the smaller clubs rotated squad players?
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    You want to tell me Chelsea and City played the whole tournament with team B ? Strange because they faced some good teams as well. Chelsea in 2015 faced Liverpool and Tottenham in semi final and final, and City faced Everton and Liverpool at semi final and final.
     
    el3mel said:
    You want to tell me Chelsea and City played the whole tournament with team B ? Strange because they faced some good teams as well. Chelsea in 2015 faced Liverpool and Tottenham in semi final and final, and City faced Everton and Liverpool at semi final and final.
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    Big games will see bigger players, but even then the managers refrain from fielding their strongest side. Just look at the general line ups throughout the competition for top teams other than us.

    As an example, City played WBA this year and took the opportunity to field mangala, Delph, give Gundagon a run and have the likes of Forden, Diaz and Zinchenko ready on bench.

    I don't need to look at results to see who goes for it. The bigger teams always win it because their squad players are better than the squad players of the smaller sides. Moreover, the top managers themselves don't even like the trophy. That transcends to the players too, and the hype of the cup no doubt.

    Conte and Pep called it a waste of time. Even José said it would be nicer without it because we'd be fresher for Europe advancements as English clubs as a whole.. But it's there so he will "respect the sponsors".

    So yeah, I'm not excited for these games as I am for others. You can't blame me, and I'm sure I'm one of many tbh.
     
    VP89 said:
    Big games will see bigger players, but even then the managers refrain from fielding a strong side. Just look at the general line ups throughout the competition for top teams other than us.

    As an example, City played WBA this year and took the opportunity to field mangala, Delph, give Gundagon a run and have the likes of Forden, Diaz and Zinchenko ready on bench.

    I don't need to look at results to see who goes for it. The bigger teams always win it because their squad players are better than the squad players of the smaller sides. Moreover, the top managers themselves don't even like the trophy. That transcends to the players too, and the hype of the cup no doubt.

    Conte and Pep called it a waste of time. Even José said it would be nicer without it because we'd be fresher for Europe advancements as English clubs as a whole.. But it's there so he will "respect the sponsors".

    So yeah, I'm not excited for these games as I am for others. You can't blame me, and I'm sure I'm one of many tbh.
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    Don't you realize that your logic can be exactly applied on FA cup as well ? Because the first 3 rounds of it are mostly played with team B before the games becomes tougher only from the QFs and some times only from semis ? Does that means no one cares about FA cup ?

    Actually you have just described every cup competition in every country!
     
    Yeah let's scrap everything bar the Premier League!
     
    el3mel said:
    Don't you realize that your logic can be exactly applied on FA cup as well ? Because the first 3 rounds of it are mostly played with team B before the games becomes tougher only from the QFs and some times only from semis ? Does that means no one cares about FA cup ?

    Actually you have just described every cup competition in every country!
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    The domestic priorities for every manager is quite obvious to us fans. League, FA Cup, Carling Cup.

    The lineup tinkering reflects that too. Yes smaller sides give bigger teams opportunities to rotate but if you look at the actual line ups it's not as cowboy an approach in the FA Cup (unless they're playing a non league team).

    FA Cup traditionally is seen to have more nostalgia. It's been around way longer, since what, 1870? The history makes it quite valuable and the fixtures presidence on Saturdays make it more palitable for managers to take seriously.

    It's also got more prize money, so there's that monetary point too. I don't know where the official list for major trophies is but there is a reason why FA cup would be counted as part of a double or treble and the Carling Cup generally wouldn't be without an eyebrow raised.
     
    VP89 said:
    The domestic priorities for every manager is quite obvious to us fans. League, FA Cup, Carling Cup.

    The lineup tinkering reflects that too. Yes smaller sides give bigger teams opportunities to rotate but if you look at the actual line ups it's not as cowboy an approach in the FA Cup (unless they're playing a non league team).

    FA Cup traditionally is seen to have more nostalgia. It's been around way longer, since what, 1870? The history makes it quite valuable and the fixtures presidence on Saturdays make it more palitable for managers to take seriously.

    It's also got more prize money, so there's that monetary point too. I don't know where the official list for major trophies is but there is a reason why FA cup would be counted as part of a double or treble and the Carling Cup generally wouldn't be without an eyebrow raised.
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    Sure FA cup is more prestigious than the League Cup. However, your logic was that the teams play with their B team in mot of League Cup games. That's applicable to at least half of games of FA Cup.

    You play the first 3 rounds mostly against Championship sides or at best a midtable teams. It's only from QF that you start getting chances of meeting stronger teams. Some teams only face a strong team starting from semis, so in about half of FA Cup big teams play with their B team as well, so that's not a good point.

    No one's saying League Cup is the best trophy ever, but it's still a trophy.
     
    el3mel said:
    Sure FA cup is more prestigious than the League Cup. However, your logic was that the teams play with their B team in mot of League Cup games. That's applicable to at least half of games of FA Cup.

    You play the first 3 rounds mostly against Championship sides or at best a midtable teams. It's only from QF that you start getting chances of meeting stronger teams. Some teams only face a strong team starting from semis, so in about half of FA Cup big teams play with their B team as well, so that's not a good point.

    No one's saying League Cup is the best trophy ever, but it's still a trophy.
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    I didn't say it's not a trophy though. It's just one with least meaning, and one that holds little value when other clubs don't go for it as much as we do under José. I just said I'm finding today's game difficult to get excited about and suddenly other fans with United boners are having a problem with it.

    And my point does stand, because the level of tinkering seen in FA cup is less so compared to Carling Cup. And that too for a reason.
     
    VP89 said:
    I didn't say it's not a trophy though. It's just one with least meaning, and one that holds little value when other clubs don't go for it as much as we do under José. I just said I'm finding today's game difficult to get excited about and suddenly other fans with United boners are having a problem with it.

    And my point does stand, because the level of tinkering seen in FA cup is less so compared to Carling Cup. And that too for a reason.
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    You're very free to not get excited about it, as it's up to you. I was only commenting on your point of big clubs not caring much about it, which hasn't been the case for about 4 years now.
     
    Top teams have been fielding weaker teams in the FA cup for quite a while now.

    Due to the TV money from the league, as well as the increased competition in the league you can't afford to field your strongest 11 all the time in cup competitions.

    As far as im concerned the FA cup is a tin pot cup like the league cup, but I will always want the team to win both.
     
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