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Southampton 0:1 Manchester United

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    I heard Rashford went off with an injury against Burton so I didn't have him in my 11, thought Herrera might play but I think we'll bring him on late in the game to help take control of midfield if we're getting overrun.
     
    acnumber9 said:
    I think both have played well. But clearly Mourinho rates Rashford as better for his team than Martial. I'm not sure why this comes as a surprise to people when it's been evident for a year.
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    Well then there we have it, this is the point being made. The BS about rotating options and it being a fair competition is not the case. There is a first choice, and effectively, a squad player.

    There will naturally be a large section of reds who have a big problem with a player of Martial's ability having such a status. What is causing the endless back and forth on the caf is a section of fans who haven't even acknowledged the situation, and are instead presenting counter arguments that selections are deliberated based on various factors or just simple rotation, whereas Jose appears to just think Rashford is better. For those who do not, and there are many, this will remain an issue.
     
    This was 0-0 last season. The kind of game we need to change to 3 points this season.
     
    Should have started with both Rashford and Martial. Hopefully we can win this.
    Another 11/11.
     
    BigBebe said:
    I thought the same, was pretty sure Herrera would get a start. Fellaini will have to be disciplined as they are against a midfield 3.
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    I expect Mikhi to have some defensive duties today, dropping back as an additional midfielder at some times.
     
    el3mel said:
    I expect Mikhi to have some defensive duties today, dropping back as an additional midfielder at some times.
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    His ball retention isn't good enough for such a role. Romeu will hound him for the ball.

    Herrera should have been in for this, think it will come back to bite us.
     
    Rozay said:
    Well then there we have it, this is the point being made. The BS about rotating options and it being a fair competition is not the case. There is a first choice, and effectively, a squad player.

    There will naturally be a large section of reds who have a big problem with a player of Martial's ability having such a status. What is causing the endless back and forth on the caf is a section of fans who haven't even acknowledged the situation, and are instead presenting counter arguments that selections are deliberated based on various factors or just simple rotation, whereas Jose appears to just think Rashford is better. For those who do not, and there are many, this will remain an issue.
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    It is a fair competition though. Mourinho isn't selecting Rashford for arbitrary reasons. He's picking him because he thinks it will lead to a better result. There's nothing stopping Martial from doing likewise.

    Fans just have their little favourite and can't stand them not playing. Seemingly regardless of how good our results are.
     
    Rashford scored two goals in the last match, of course he's starting again. On the other side we need Mata for his creativity, but all that doesn't mean that Martial can't come in around the 60th minute, there's no shame in doing that.

    I get the reasons for the absence of Herrera, but it doesn't feel right having that character sidelined.

    Expecting a 2:0 for United.
     
    I'm not feeling confident about this game today, fearing this is our first defeat. I hope the lads prove me wrong and we win.
     
    Like the Stoke game this isn't a disaster to pick up a point but would put us in serious chance of a title challenge if we can start to get 3 points in these hard away fixtures whilst OT being a fortress.
     
    Mourinhonista said:
    Rashford scored two goals in the last match, of course he's starting again. On the other side we need Mata for his creativity, but all that doesn't mean that Martial can't come in around the 60th minute, there's no shame in doing that.

    I get the reasons for the absence of Herrera, but it doesn't feel right having that character sidelined.

    Expecting a 2:0 for United.
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    It doesn't, but it is unlikely. In all of Martial's sub appearances he's played at most 20 minutes. Lingard played 30 mins vs Everton while Martial played about 5.
     
    acnumber9 said:
    It is a fair competition though. Mourinho isn't selecting Rashford for arbitrary reasons. He's picking him because he thinks it will lead to a better result. There's nothing stopping Martial from doing likewise.

    Fans just have their little favourite and can't stand them not playing. Seemingly regardless of how good our results are.
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    So sick of hearing people complain about a line up selection not being "fair". This is not youth football, the only thing the manager has to do each game is pick the line up and subs he thinks give us the best chance of winning.

    I agree with you 100%.

    Managers also don't have to manage by template. So if a player has a bad game he doesn't have to bench him nor does a good game guarantee the next start.

    Back the club not individual players.
     
    Rozay said:
    Well then there we have it, this is the point being made. The BS about rotating options and it being a fair competition is not the case. There is a first choice, and effectively, a squad player.

    There will naturally be a large section of reds who have a big problem with a player of Martial's ability having such a status. What is causing the endless back and forth on the caf is a section of fans who haven't even acknowledged the situation, and are instead presenting counter arguments that selections are deliberated based on various factors or just simple rotation, whereas Jose appears to just think Rashford is better. For those who do not, and there are many, this will remain an issue.
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    Rashford is English, homegrown and going from strength to strength. Isn't that something most fans would like to have around? Of course Martial is ability wise an absolute talent, but i don't see how many stadion goers would have an issue with the current arrangement. Most fans back one of their own and Rashford his delivering the goods on the field.
     
    acnumber9 said:
    It is a fair competition though. Mourinho isn't selecting Rashford for arbitrary reasons. He's picking him because he thinks it will lead to a better result. There's nothing stopping Martial from doing likewise.

    Fans just have their little favourite and can't stand them not playing. Seemingly regardless of how good our results are.
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    It is his opinion, of course. And we don't know if there is anything stopping Martial from doing the same. He's made a damn good go of it but it hasn't worked so far.

    'Little favourites' is just condescension. Just like Mourinho, fans have no arbitrary reason for thinking Martial is better than Rashford. Or perhaps Jose just has his 'little favourites' too?

    As for results, we've not lost any game Martial started either, so it's a moot point.
     
    Rozay said:
    Well then there we have it, this is the point being made. The BS about rotating options and it being a fair competition is not the case. There is a first choice, and effectively, a squad player.

    There will naturally be a large section of reds who have a big problem with a player of Martial's ability having such a status. What is causing the endless back and forth on the caf is a section of fans who haven't even acknowledged the situation, and are instead presenting counter arguments that selections are deliberated based on various factors or just simple rotation, whereas Jose appears to just think Rashford is better. For those who do not, and there are many, this will remain an issue.
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    Which is what lead to BS argument such as Martial lacking desire, or him only being effective against tired defend thus needing Rashford to run the players to the ground for him.

    Some people would come up with absolutely hilarious reason, go on mental gymnastic rather than just acknowledging the simple fact that Jose prefers Rashford and sees him as his first choice which is why he's allowed to put in an absolute choker like against Everton yet still get to start the next game.

    It is what it is, no need to deny the obvious while trying to paint Martial's attitude negatively in order to justify some decisions.
     
    I love Jose just going for it. It's tough on a player like Herrera, but that team is not set up to draw this match. I have to admire that attitude. Looking forward to the game!
     
    Damien said:
    It doesn't, but it is unlikely. In all of Martial's sub appearances he's played at most 20 minutes. Lingard played 30 mins vs Everton while Martial played about 5.
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    I think if we're desperately in need of goal(s), Mourinho would opt to bring him on a tad earlier. The numbers are of course on your side so far, but it's still early days.
     
    Mourinhonista said:
    Rashford is English, homegrown and going from strength to strength. Isn't that something most fans would like to have around? Of course Martial is ability wise an absolute talent, but i don't see how many stadion goers would have an issue with the current arrangement. Most fans back one of their own and Rashford his delivering the goods on the field.
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    I get this. And I suspect it is also a factor in selection, which also makes it uneven. Martial can never change the fact he's not a Manc!

    I believe Rashford is the chosen one. Jose has a local talent of genuine ability and a real chance to make it, and also given him a perfect testimony of youth development. I believe he will be afforded every chance to become a first teamer, whereas Martial will only get that chance if Rashford first fails to take his. I suspect that, as long as Rashford performs reasonably well, Martial can never be a regular.

    The likelihood is that Rashford will eventually pull away from Martial anyway. Martial has done incredibly well to hang in there so far, and this is why I suspect Jose has been more objective on the topic in press conferences. It couldn't have been expected he would make such a statement with such little cameos, and then there would be no debate at all. The chances are, unless his sub appearances start earning him regular starts, he will inevitably fall behind anyway, as it is unrealistic to keep expecting him to do more in 20 mins than Rashford does in 70. Sooner or later, all the justification needed will be provided for Martial to be second choice. It will be on the basis 'Rashford is playing better'. Martial has done extremely well for that not to be the case so far given the circumstances.
     
    JustAFan said:
    So sick of hearing people complain about a line up selection not being "fair". This is not youth football, the only thing the manager has to do each game is pick the line up and subs he thinks give us the best chance of winning.

    I agree with you 100%.

    Managers also don't have to manage by template. So if a player has a bad game he doesn't have to bench him nor does a good game guarantee the next start.

    Back the club not individual players.
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    Many people would argue that Martial is potentially one of the best in the world and is thus an invaluable asset to the team. Long-term it is important we keep players like him. Generally speaking players of his talent don't stay very long if they're on the bench all the time.

    In other words advocating for Martial and supporting the club are not mutually exclusive for many.
     
    This is a game where Mkhitaryan needs to step up. I know Mata is in there for the creative presence but Henryk can drive our whole attack if he's on form.
     
    No changes is not a surprise considering the result last time. I think the fact Martial played the full 90 the other night made it obvious he wouldn't start so I'm okay with that. My one concern is the potential for us to get exposed defensively on the left. Rashford wasn't exactly great cover for Young last time out.
     
    acnumber9 said:
    It is a fair competition though. Mourinho isn't selecting Rashford for arbitrary reasons. He's picking him because he thinks it will lead to a better result. There's nothing stopping Martial from doing likewise.

    Fans just have their little favourite and can't stand them not playing. Seemingly regardless of how good our results are.
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    The thing is that it won't though. Rashford has world class potential as a Striker, but he's a mediocre LW. We are keeping a player with actual World Class potential as a LW on the bench to give Rashford playing time. Martial always looks dangerous with the ball. Leads the league in chances created per minute he's on the pitch. Rashford only excels when he gets behind defenses which would be useful in away games against bigger sides when you also need his better defensively workrate. When you need to break down smaller sides you use Martial's superior creativity and dribbling talents.

    But Mourinho doesn't follow this logic. Rashford is the starter and Martial is the Squad player. Idiotic move in my opinion especially as players like Martial are far more rare than the Rashford's of this world. If you had to pick between the likes of Ronaldo, Messi, Hazard, Sanchez, and Neymar vs. the likes of Suarez, Benzema, Lewandowski, Lukaku, Ibra we all know the first group of players are far more special.

    Martial should just leave. As much as I want him here, he's being wasted under the likes of Mourinho. Rather see a special player blossom than waste away. He needs consistent playing time to improve his decision making which he struggles with as a young player. I'm sure we'll spend 250 mil to buy him when he's a stud and Rashford is another decent, but overrated English striker.
     
    Santoryo said:
    Which is what lead to BS argument such as Martial lacking desire, or him only being effective against tired defend thus needing Rashford to run the players to the ground for him.

    Some people would come up with absolutely hilarious reason, go on mental gymnastic rather than just acknowledging the simple fact that Jose prefers Rashford and sees him as his first choice which is why he's allowed to put in an absolute choker like against Everton yet still get to start the next game.

    It is what it is, no need to deny the obvious while trying to paint Martial's attitude negatively in order to justify some decisions.
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    Yea, that's been annoying too. In trying to justify selection, a few myths, or at least very debatable theories have been made against Martial.
     
    Rozay said:
    It is his opinion, of course. And we don't know if there is anything stopping Martial from doing the same. He's made a damn good go of it but it hasn't worked so far.

    'Little favourites' is just condescension. Just like Mourinho, fans have no arbitrary reason for thinking Martial is better than Rashford. Or perhaps Jose just has his 'little favourites' too?

    As for results, we've not lost any game Martial started either, so it's a moot point.
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    We don't so why would we make the assumption that there is? We aren't doing a job, Mourinho is. He'll make his judgement based on better evidence than what we have.

    It may be condescension but it's so apparent that it needs to be pointed out. The toys thrown out of the pram every time Martial doesn't start can't be described any other way.
     
    TSN is decent when it comes to commentaries or should i mute it?
     
    Footyislife said:
    The thing is that it won't though. Rashford has world class potential as a Striker, but he's a mediocre LW. We are keeping a player with actual World Class potential as a LW on the bench to give Rashford playing time. Martial always looks dangerous with the ball. Leads the league in chances created per minute he's on the pitch. Rashford only excels when he gets behind defenses which would be useful in away games against bigger sides when you also need his better defensively workrate. When you need to break down smaller sides you use Martial's superior creativity and dribbling talents.

    But Mourinho doesn't follow this logic. Rashford is the starter and Martial is the Squad player. Idiotic move in my opinion especially as players like Martial are far more rare than the Rashford's of this world. If you had to pick between the likes of Ronaldo, Messi, Hazard, Sanchez, and Neymar vs. the likes of Suarez, Benzema, Lewandowski, Lukaku, Ibra we all know the first group of players are far more special.

    Martial should just leave. As much as I want him here, he's being wasted under the likes of Mourinho. Rather see a special player blossom than waste away. He needs consistent playing time to improve his decision making which he struggles with as a young player. I'm sure we'll spend 250 mil to buy him when he's a stud and Rashford is another decent, but overrated English striker.
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    Perfect example of a fan with more interest in Martial's career than what is right for Man United. Mourinho's job is to pick a winning team. He's been doing that. When he isn't then criticism would be fair.
     
    Ohh young and fellaini. Hope we win this. Fellaini in midfield is never good.
     
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