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    I'd like to see this since i can't see us diverting from the 352 just yet.

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    Young and Valencia are a pain like but i'm not sure Rafa and Shaw are gonna be fit yet. Herrera hopefully will be back so we can see how he does with Blind in the middle. Mata for me has been off the boil so i'd give Di Maria a free role to float behind the front 2. Hopefully Rojo is cleared to play too.
     
    It's time to revert to 4-3-3 ish

    Starting XI: De Gea - Rafael, Jones, Rojo, Shaw - Herrera, Blind; Januzaj, Mata, Di Maria - Rooney

    Bench: Amos, Evans, Blackett, Cleverley, Young, Van Persie, Falcao

    No way is Falcao on the bench, not when he's my fantasy captain!
     
    Could be:

    --------------- De Gea --------------
    - Rafa -- Evans -- Rojo -- Shaw -
    ---------------- Blind -----------------
    ------ Herrera ------ Di Maria ------
    ---- Mata -------------- Rooney ----
    -------------- Falcao -----------------

    Or:

    --------------- De Gea --------------
    - Rafa -- Evans -- Rojo -- Shaw -
    ---------------- Blind -----------------
    ------ Herrera ------ Di Maria ------
    ---------------- Mata -----------------
    --------Falcao ------- Rooney-------

    Or, you know, 3-5-2 again with Young and Valencia :lol::lol:
     
    I'd like to see us play a diamond.

    De Gea
    Rafael - Smalling - Rojo - Shaw
    Blind
    Ander - di Maria
    Mata
    Falcao - Rooney​

    But, if we are going to persist with the dreaded three back...
    De Gea
    Smalling - Jones - Rojo
    Rafael - Blind - Ander - Shaw
    di Maria
    Falcao - Rooney​
     
    ---------De Gea

    -----Jones-----Rojo
    ----------Blind
    Rafael
    ---------------Shaw
    ----Herrera----Di Maria
    ----------Mata
    ----Rooney---Falcao


    We can all argue over a few positions but seriously United need to start delivering the results with this squad. :devil:

    This is an exceptional team vs pretty much everyone in the league, it is most definitely a total football lineup with all the triangles LvG likes to use. I can see us gravitating to this if Blind acclimatises to the league easily.
     
    Hopefully things clear up injury wise. I really hope Rafael and Shaw play, sick of Young & Valencia contributing nothing in games. A switch to 4-3-3 would be nice, although I suspect we'll continue with 3-5-2 for a little while.
     
    If van Gaal is switching to 433 of some variation, I think we'll see these players starting against QPR:

    de Gea
    Rafael Smalling Jones Rojo
    Blind Herrera
    Mata
    Januzaj Rooney Di Maria​

    I'd expect Smalling, Rafael, and Herrera to get over their injuries in this next two weeks. Maybe there is a chance Shaw could? In which case it'd probably Rojo as the other CB with Shaw at Left Back. If these players don't get fit, then we're looking at Fletcher/Cleverley in midfield with Valencia Right Back.

    Falcao could also start in place of Januzaj, with Rooney playing either side of a front three. But, I can also see him getting a substitute appearance in the first game.
     
    Anyone with an idea as to when Shaw is back from injury?
     
    soooo far awayyy

    Indeed, it seems like the game is going to be played in the next 2 months rather than weeks.
    I want to see Blind ,Rojo, Falcao, Shaw, Herrera and Di maria in starting lineup against QPR !!!
     
    Indeed, it seems like the game is going to be played in the next 2 months rather than weeks.
    I want to see Blind ,Rojo, Falcao, Shaw, Herrera and Di maria in starting lineup against QPR !!!
    Me to but well probably get Ecuadors strongest man and Usher young instead.
     
    ------------De Gea----------

    -Jones--Evans--Rojo--Shaw-

    ------Herrerra--Blind--------

    ---Rooney---J Mata--Di Maria-

    ------------Falcao-------------

    Either a 4-2-3-1 or 4-3-3

    Wouldn't like to see fletcher, cleverly, Ashley young anywhere near the first 11 or even bench. Absolutely rubbish from them so far. Bench to be made of recovering players from injuries, WC or youth players: januzaj, Rafael, smalling, Wilson, r. James, Pearson, perreira
     
    Will still be 352, no doubt bout that
    Why?

    We only have three first-team strikers now, one of whom is rumoured to be out injured for a long time (van Persie).

    Is he going to play two in every game, risk injury, then have to switch it up anyway? Who gets dropped out of Rooney/van Persie/Falcao/Di Maria/Mata/Januzaj? Would you really rather us play three at the back to accommodate Evans/Blackett/Young/Valencia into the team rather than these players?

    There's also no way Di Maria will go to CM with Herrera, so we can forget that one too if that was the way of getting him in the side without sacrificing too many attacking talents.

    Not so sure why 352 is guaranteed to stay when all this movement suggests it could be otherwise.
     
    Wonder if Falcao will be fit enough to start this one? also hoping Januzaj gets some game time in this one
     
    Also wondering about work permits and stuff for Falcao? Anybody heard anything on that front?
     
    Why?

    We only have three first-team strikers now, one of whom is rumoured to be out injured for a long time (van Persie).

    Is he going to play two in every game, risk injury, then have to switch it up anyway? Who gets dropped out of Rooney/van Persie/Falcao/Di Maria/Mata/Januzaj? Would you really rather us play three at the back to accommodate Evans/Blackett/Young/Valencia into the team rather than these players?

    There's also no way Di Maria will go to CM with Herrera, so we can forget that one too if that was the way of getting him in the side without sacrificing too many attacking talents.

    Not so sure why 352 is guaranteed to stay when all this movement suggests it could be otherwise.

    Firstly, i didnt say i 'preferred it' just that it will still be 352.

    Second, your logic is completely wrong.you ask who is going to get dropped out of Rooney/van Persie/Falcao/Di Maria/Mata/Januzaj yet a formation with one striker makes that even harder.

    Adm has already gone into midfield against burnkey, aand lvg said he can play there, so you're wrong there too.

    We have 3 'first team strikers'. 3 strikers who you would not expect to be on a bench. 3 into 2 positions is better than 3 into one. If two get injured, we have players like ADM who can play there or wilson.

    The players we have brought in do not suggest a move away, although i think we will, in time, not yet. Lvg has every level of the club down to u18s playing 352. It will take a while to change that...almost exactly what he said last week on the matter.

    So thats why it will be 352 for qpr. No doubt about that.
     
    Is Shaw really able to make a big difference as LWB from Young? Rating him reminds me of you rating the players like Mata.
     
    The absolute second we see the line-up we will know exactly how this game will turn out. Until then, I have zero predictions.

    The key here is Herrera and/or Blind it was obvious that there was a glaring hole where Fletcher was. This should transition the attack far better, awllowing Di Maria and Mata to dictate the pace of the game.

    Is Shaw really able to make a big difference as LWB from Young? Rating him reminds me of you rating the players like Mata.

    I would say offensively not much different, but FAR better defensively. That to me helps a lot especially when you can see that teams are focusing all of their attack on what they considered a vastly weak left side.
     
    De Gea; Valencia--Jones--Evans--Shaw; Herrera--Blind--Di Maria; Mata; Falcao--Rooney. 4-3-1-2.

    or

    De Gea; Evans--Jones--Rojo; Valencia--Blind--Herrera--Shaw; Di Maria; Falcao--Rooney. 3-4-1-2.
     
    Firstly, i didnt say i 'preferred it' just that it will still be 352.

    Second, your logic is completely wrong.you ask who is going to get dropped out of Rooney/van Persie/Falcao/Di Maria/Mata/Januzaj yet a formation with one striker makes that even harder.

    Adm has already gone into midfield against burnkey, aand lvg said he can play there, so you're wrong there too.

    We have 3 'first team strikers'. 3 strikers who you would not expect to be on a bench. 3 into 2 positions is better than 3 into one. If two get injured, we have players like ADM who can play there or wilson.

    The players we have brought in do not suggest a move away, although i think we will, in time, not yet. Lvg has every level of the club down to u18s playing 352. It will take a while to change that...almost exactly what he said last week on the matter.

    So thats why it will be 352 for qpr. No doubt about that.

    We're not going to play a CM two of Di Maria + Herrera, but they're both going to be in the side when they cost over £90million between them. Di Maria playing midfield already got us a draw against Burnley, he's been bought as a winger IMO as LvG mentioned not having any world class wingers. Why buy one to play him in CM? Also why buy Blind if he was going to play Di Maria in CM?

    I don't see any logic in playing, for example:

    de Gea
    Smalling Jones Rojo
    Rafael Herrera Di Maria Shaw
    Mata
    Rooney Falcao

    when we could play:

    de Gea
    Rafael Jones Rojo Shaw
    Blind Herrera
    Rooney Mata Di Maria
    Falcao​

    I know that is currently dropping Januzaj and van Persie, but two strikers in the middle hasn't been working as well as we'd hoped yet anyway and there are rumours of RvP out for most of the season. Changes during games can be Rooney behind Falcao and Januzaj to the wing, or Valencia to the wing, Rooney up top in favour of Falcao with Mata behind etc.

    Logically, without playing players out of position, the 352 gets in 3/6 of the players I mentioned. Playing 433 gets 4/6... LvG played 352 to get his best players into the side. Now, if we're looking at those six being the best attacking players to win us games, if we want more of them in the side, 433 seems like the way to go and what LvG prefers and now has the players for. So, my logic is not wrong there. There is a difference between getting more strikers in the side and getting more creative/attacking players in the side with the right players behind them. This formation can still get two strikers in the side anyway, if Rooney is used in the hole rather than Mata or anyone else.

    I see us rarely having van Persie and Falcao up top at the same time.

    Getting rid of strikers, signing a player who is going to be primarily used as a defensive midfielder, and buying a winger points towards a shift in formation, in my opinion.
     
    We're not going to play a CM two of Di Maria + Herrera, but they're both going to be in the side when they cost over £90million between them. Di Maria playing midfield already got us a draw against Burnley, he's been bought as a winger IMO as LvG mentioned not having any world class wingers. Why buy one to play him in CM? Also why buy Blind if he was going to play Di Maria in CM?

    I don't see any logic in playing, for example:

    de Gea
    Smalling Jones Rojo
    Rafael Herrera Di Maria Shaw
    Mata
    Rooney Falcao

    when we could play:

    de Gea
    Rafael Jones Rojo Shaw
    Blind Herrera
    Rooney Mata Di Maria
    Falcao​

    I know that is currently dropping Januzaj and van Persie, but two strikers in the middle hasn't been working as well as we'd hoped yet anyway and there are rumours of RvP out for most of the season. Changes during games can be Rooney behind Falcao and Januzaj to the wing, or Valencia to the wing, Rooney up top in favour of Falcao with Mata behind etc.

    Logically, without playing players out of position, the 352 gets in 3/6 of the players I mentioned. Playing 433 gets 4/6... LvG played 352 to get his best players into the side. Now, if we're looking at those six being the best attacking players to win us games, if we want more of them in the side, 433 seems like the way to go and what LvG prefers and now has the players for. So, my logic is not wrong there. There is a difference between getting more strikers in the side and getting more creative/attacking players in the side with the right players behind them. This formation can still get two strikers in the side anyway, if Rooney is used in the hole rather than Mata or anyone else.

    I see us rarely having van Persie and Falcao up top at the same time.

    Getting rid of strikers, signing a player who is going to be primarily used as a defensive midfielder, and buying a winger points towards a shift in formation, in my opinion.

    I'd prefer to drop Mata at the minute. Move Rooney to the number 10 role and play Januzaj on the right
     
    I would say offensively not much different, but FAR better defensively. That to me helps a lot especially when you can see that teams are focusing all of their attack on what they considered a vastly weak left side.

    I get your point. Then how do you think of Rojo as LWB? I believe Rojo can definitely do the better job in defending, not to mention Rojo's capability of offense. So let's take Blackett as one of three backs and drop Shaw. Doesn't it sound a bit more rational?
     
    This is what I want.

    --------Falcao----RVP--------
    -------------Mata-------------
    ------di Maria---Herrera-----
    Shaw-------Blind-------Rafael
    --------Rojo------Jones------
    -------------DDG-------------

    Obviously Rooney won't be dropped though, so realistically I would like Rooney in place of Mata.

    However, below is what van Gaal most definitely thinks will be our strongest team, and if all these players are available, is what will be played. Sticking to the 3-5-2.

    -------Falcao------Rooney------
    -------di Maria---Herrera-------
    Shaw--------Blind---------Rafael
    -----Rojo---Smalling---Jones----
    --------------DDG----------------
     
    Injuries aside, if Fletcher starts LVG should be sacked on the spot. And drug-tested.
     
    Backing QPR to score first again.

    Might actually come back and win this one though.
     
    de Gea
    Rafael Jones Rojo Shaw
    Herrera Di Maria
    Mata
    Januzaj-------------Rooney
    Falcao

    Subs: Smalling, Wilson, Pereira, Blind, Valencia, Evans, Fletcher
    * I'm assuming RVP is injured or needs this knee-op. If not replace him for Januzaj and have more of a flat front three & add Januzaj to the bench.
     
    Falcao will probably only be a sub. He's going to South America on international duty and will be a new signing with only a few days training with the team I think.
    Guess we'll just have to use RvP or mata instead...
     
    Falcao will probably only be a sub. He's going to South America on international duty and will be a new signing with only a few days training with the team I think.
    Guess we'll just have to use RvP or mata instead...

    Isn't Mata out with a Hamstring injury for a few weeks? Also what about the supposed knee surgery RvP needed?
     
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