Champions League Group H

Manchester United 0:1 Juventus

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Tue, 23 October 2018 @ 8:00pm BST
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    We need to beef up the midfield 2nd half. Too easy for Juve to break up our attacks and to get men back when we counter. We need more movement up front too. Saw Martial, Shaw, and Pogba urging movement to no avail. Fred or Herrera on for Rashford, who hasn't done too much and get Mata more central. Juve look pretty good though.
     
    Things like leaving Matic on the pitch in the second half are why I want Mourinho out. Fergie would take Giggs/Scholes out after half like this, let alone Matic who is liability this entire season.
     
    Anyone telling Lukaku doesn’t get the service is got to be having a laugh.

    He can barely control a football. He doesn’t win any header when De Gea boots the ball forward. He can’t hold up the ball. When he isn’t scoring goals he doesn’t offer anything to the team, we really need another option to get the pressure off him. We cant even bench him at the moment.

    He really is so technically inept. I have said this before but how can a supposedly world class manager with a team of scouts not see this when he was at Everton. It's not something that can be learnt either so we are stuck with him for the foreseeable future or have to take a big loss on him.
     
    Schooled as I feared and we sure as hell don't have the guile to create anything against that defence

    At least there's only another 45 minutes
    Our pattern of plays are fecking comedy gold. So slow, pass it Matic who passes to Shaw, who passes to Martial, who fecks up or passes it back to Shaw, who passes to Matic, who takes 5-6-7 touches to pass it to Pogba
     
    I think the main difference between the teams is Allegri does a super good work with good but not brilliant players while Mourinho cannot do that.

    Who exactly are brilliant players at United? Pogba and maybe Martial? Ronaldo, Dybala, Pjanic, Chellini, Bonucci, Sandro, Matuidi. Those are brilliant players for Juve.
     
    Awful. Summed up by Young’s long ball towards Lukaku in the end...no plan on how to threaten. Even if Lukaku wins the header he cannot do anything with a pass like that.
    Mata looks like he retired 10 years ago.
     
    Convenient technical error

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    Not playing badly, we're just a level (or two or three) below them which is really depressing.

    When the game broke up a bit, we looked ok but otherwise, when we're sitting back letting them have possession, we just can't cope. Time for Mou to earn his salary and think up something that will give us a bit more control....I fear that will just be the Fellaini long ball show
     
    One of the worst first half performances we’ve had in a long time.

    If he doesn’t make subs at half time
    It wasn't even the worst of this month. Which says a lot about us at the moment, really.
     
    I don't understand how players like Mata and Martial can go from the Chelsea performance to this.
    So far they've spent 90% of the time 'defending'. Can't believe we don't have a proper attacking plan. That's lazy coaching.
     
    At this point you have to seriously ask if Matic's best days are behind him. Looks like he has no legs at all now and is a main root of the problem
     
    When the next manager arrives, his biggest priority would be to throw Lukaku and Rashford completely out of any starting lineup.
     
    I would like to see how many through balls we make on average, and then look at numbers of the other 20 PL clubs. I have a gut feeling we're in the bottom 5. Through balls are the best metric of gauging off-the-ball movement, and United are absolutely shit at it.

    It's not like we pass to feet to avoid losing possession, either, like we did under LVG. No, we lump it up to Lukaku every single time and lose the ball over and over again. Martial/Rashford and Lukaku all stand still, wait for ball to feet, pass it back. Then it goes all the way back for a long ball which we lose.
     
    One positive is that despite them dominating, they've not been creating a great deal.
     
    Even Genoa caused them more problems. We have the players to hurt them but we're too scared. Too intimidated.
     
    Well at least we sparked into life a bit in the last 10-15 mins.

    Yet another game where we are shit scared, sit back and concede.
     
    Lucky not to be down more, whoever this team plays in the Ro16 will dismantle them
     
    Get Herrera and Fred on, get some energy in midfield and press them. Jesus Christ, we’re bending over, spreading our cheeks and lubeing our arsehole for Juve to whatever they please right now.

    I thought this would be the perfect game for Fred. Someone to break up play and be an absolute nuisance.

    If we can't press high we at least need the legs to chase and Martial, Lukaku and Mata don't have that.
     
    losing to a team of Juventus’ Quality is not the issue. My issue is with our cowardly approach to the game so far. Our tactics are all over the place. Disgraceful from the so called “special one” Mourinho.
    From the games I've seen the mid table Serie A teams often put up a bigger fight against them.
     
    Haven't posted these for a couple of games. Some are not very complimentary.

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    Half time ratings
    De Gea

    Kept United in it. 7

    Young

    Not got a grip of Ronaldo. 5

    Smalling

    Weak for goal. 3

    Lindelof

    Decent half. 6

    Shaw

    Constantly targeted. 4

    Matic

    Unable to influence. 5

    Pogba

    Got nowhere. 4

    Martial

    Wasteful. 4

    Rashford

    Neutered by Sandro. 4

    Mata

    Not got into the game. 4

    Lukaku

    Abysmal. 1
    Haven't posted these for a couple of games. Some are not very complimentary.

    20:47KEY EVENT
    Half time ratings
    De Gea

    Kept United in it. 7

    Young

    Not got a grip of Ronaldo. 5

    Smalling

    Weak for goal. 3

    Lindelof

    Decent half. 6

    Shaw

    Constantly targeted. 4

    Matic

    Unable to influence. 5

    Pogba

    Got nowhere. 4

    Martial

    Wasteful. 4

    Rashford

    Neutered by Sandro. 4

    Mata

    Not got into the game. 4

    Lukaku

    Abysmal. 1
    Are these your ratings or from a paper? Because they are atrocious
     
    Reminds me of when we faced Milan back in 05 and they barely gave us a sniff at goal. All thoughts of tactics and attacking intent go out the window when there's such a clear gap in quality and experience.
     
    How are they able to constantly push their fullbacks forward and seemingly leave no space at the back whereas when we do it we are wide open!?

    I’d take Mata off at half time, bring on Fred and let Pogba push on more. Still, we’ll need a miracle to get anything out of this - Juve look class.
     
    When you’ve got that lamp-post up top for us, it’s no wonder our midfielders look clueless. He’s a shit show and gives us no options. Utter shit stain.
     
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Player Ratings

5.1 Total Average Rating

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Compiled from 390 ratings.

Score Predictions

195,121,118
  • Man Utd win
  • Juventus win
  • Draw

Detailed Results

  • 22% Man Utd 2:1 Juventus
  • 18% Man Utd 1:1 Juventus
  • 12% Man Utd 1:2 Juventus
  • 7% Man Utd 2:0 Juventus
  • 6% Man Utd 0:2 Juventus
  • 6% Man Utd 1:0 Juventus
  • 5% Man Utd 0:0 Juventus
  • 4% Man Utd 2:2 Juventus
  • 4% Man Utd 1:3 Juventus
  • 3% Man Utd 3:1 Juventus
  • 3% Man Utd 3:2 Juventus
  • 2% Man Utd 0:1 Juventus
  • 2% Man Utd 5:0 Juventus
  • 2% Man Utd 0:3 Juventus
  • 1% Man Utd 3:0 Juventus
  • 1% Man Utd 0:5 Juventus
  • 1% Man Utd 0:4 Juventus
  • 1% Man Utd 4:1 Juventus
  • 0% Man Utd 5:1 Juventus
  • 0% Man Utd 1:4 Juventus
Compiled from 434 predictions.
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Match Stats

  1. Man Utd
  2. Juventus
Possession
39% 61%
Shots
6 14
Shots on Target
2 5
Corners
2 6
Fouls
16 14

Referee

Milorad Mazic