FA Cup Quarter-Final

Manchester United 1:2 Arsenal

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    One set of predictions for tonight.

    If Danny Welbeck does not score today, we will see 5 more pages in the Welbeck thread.

    If he does score, we will see 10 more pages.

    If he scores the decisive goal, we will see 25 more pages.

    Nervous, absolutely hoping for a win tonight. Been too damn long since we lifted the FA Cup and it might put a bit of shine on this season and help the players get back to a winning mentality.
     
    Rooney and Fellaini are starting up top (barneyrednews on twitter)
     
    The Invincibles were indeed the best league side England has ever seen. Say what you want about it, but none could beat them in the league, which is a spectacular achievement. There was a bit of luck involved, sure but the fact that no other team managed it over a 38-game season shows how difficult it is.

    Also feck Chelsea. They were a great side but they also had the advantage of being one of the first to be backed by unlimited cash. In that respect they did benefit from having a top manager who knew exactly the kind of players he wanted to buy and a market that had only one club with loads of cash in the bag. The fact that even with such favourable circumstances they couldn't win the title unbeaten shows how big an achievement it is.

    For those saying Arsenal couldn't replicate it and hence they weren't a great side, you need a bit of context. We won the league in 2001-02 and were on course for the title in 02-03. We completely blew the chance to do it on the trot that year and the players have often spoken about how much they wanted to win the league because they knew they were the better side. That entire group stayed on for the following season, with the addition of mad Jens (Lehmann) and Reyes in January, and proved that they were the best side in England at the time. It speaks volumes about their mentality that they remained unbeaten throughout. That's in spite of Chelsea buying some big players (Crespo, etc) and having one of the best United sides as rivals.

    That Arsenal team peaked in 03-04 and from then our era of austerity began because the club had sanctioned the new stadium. Chelsea's takeover was well-timed and credit to them for capitalising on our lack of financial power in the seasons to come. I still feel the Invincibles were broken apart too soon but that is ancient history now. What doesn't change is the fact that it was indeed a brilliant achievement and will be increasingly hard to equal in the years to come. Chelsea could have done it in 04-05, but I don't think any other team in the PL era was anywhere near being invincible.

    Arsenal might have been invincible for one season, but since that season, apart from one FA cup, they have been invisible when it comes to challenging for trophies
     
    It's a big mistake thinking that Welbz is the first danger for them. I think that Cazorla, Giroud and Sanchez are the main threat. The first is probably the most difficult to keep thinking that neither Blind or Herrera or even Fellaini are very strong against this type of opponent. The Giroud case is far easier to read, but very tough to play against a this moment, he just scored 8 goals in his last 10 games, would love to see RVP, Falcao or Wazza in this kind of run. And Sanchez won them so many games this year that it’ll be very difficult to play against him.

    I just hope that we can be very good on the wing today, whether we play 4-1-4-1 like them or 3-5-2, cause they usually attack with 8 players and are weak when they lose the ball in quick transition. We were marvelous from 2008 to 2010 at that, we are less now, we lost a bit of pace and urgency in our game, despite having the material to do so….
     
    I define best as the most points or how soon a club cliches the title. Some combination of those two elements can be argued. Chelsea had 95 points in one season and that's more the the invincibles had. How are they the best ever?
    What I'm saying is just because a team doesn't lose in the league doesn't mean they were the best ever. They lost twice to Boro in the League cup. Lost in the FA Cup Semi-Final. Knocked out of the CL at the QF stage.

    I still believe the best league performance was Chelsea's 2004-05 season. I wouldn't say that the '99 United team were anywhere near that level in the league, but you have to hand it them when it came to winning when it counted. I'm sure that if you had to choose between an undefeated league season with one trophy, the most points in the league ever and a league cup trophy or United's treble winning season, I'm sure you'd choose the '99 season as would any reasonable person.
     
    I'd rather him there than Falcao anyway.

    I'd rather neither. But Fellaini is useless. He slows down the game and gives away so many fouls.

    DDG
    Valencia Smalling Rojo Shaw
    Blind
    Herrera ADM
    Januzaj Rooney Young

    There is no need to play a battering ram today. If we need a goal late on then fair enough.
     
    You really can't start DiMaria on current form. Isn't Carrick fit?
     
    If that's the case, then I'd imagine the team is mostly unchanged from the Newcastle match with probably Shaw coming in and Rojo taking Evans' spot.
     
    Fellaini won't be a striker, per se. He loitered off the front last week and I expect he'll do the same again tonight.

    Tonight's team is a little hard to predict. Jones might come in for Smalling, Rojo will move back to centre half and Shaw should come in at left back.

    I actually think Carrick will start tonight, too, possibly in place of Herrera.
     
    You really can't start DiMaria on current form. Isn't Carrick fit?
    Di maria needs to start. Even off form he offers us things we don't have from any ody else in our squad with his pace, dribbling and creativity. Also hes always been a big game player, no better time for him to come good.
     
    Playing on the counter against Arsenal is exactly the type of match di Maria can thrive in, he should start. But if we're using Fellaini, we should be setting up to get the best crosses in, which means Young on the right and di Maria on the left.
     
    Di maria needs to start. Even off form he offers us things we don't have from any ody else in our squad with his pace, dribbling and creativity. Also hes always been a big game player, no better time for him to come good.
    That, and I think it will be a big blow to his confidence if he isn't given the start.
     
    I'd rather neither. But Fellaini is useless. He slows down the game and gives away so many fouls.

    DDG
    Valencia Smalling Rojo Shaw
    Blind
    Herrera ADM
    Januzaj Rooney Young

    There is no need to play a battering ram today. If we need a goal late on then fair enough.

    As usual, those comments are very harsh on a player who's scored a lot of important goals for us this season and has played well. Ah well, if he starts I hope he does well.
     
    Di maria needs to start. Even off form he offers us things we don't have from any ody else in our squad with his pace, dribbling and creativity.

    All he's done recently whilst being off form is offer the ball to the opposition or the sideline. Cmon - they guy's got no confidence. I'd being him on as a sub later in the game.
     
    Di maria needs to start. Even off form he offers us things we don't have from any ody else in our squad with his pace, dribbling and creativity. Also hes always been a big game player, no better time for him to come good.

    The last two games he's been as bad as any player who's played for us this season. I do want him to start this game, mainly because he's too good to play like that for much longer, but no one should ever be considered undroppable (except the captain from LVG's point of view I suppose).
     
    That twat dived to win the penalty. It's a penalty that shouldn't have stood. That game was a fair draw as both sides were evenly matched on the day.

    Although Keown trolling Nistelrooy was :lol:

    :lol: And your goal in the FA cup game was a deflection. Luck happens. Don't try to delude yourseufl
     
    All he's done recently whilst being off form is offer the ball to the opposition or the sideline. Cmon - they guy's got no confidence. I'd being him on as a sub later in the game.
    He could've been on 4 assists when he went off after an hour against Newcastle, even off form he is a real threat.
     
    My Lineup prediction
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    It was a good attempt. Can't seem to allign the Keeper. I think he feels he to good to be part of these lot
    Self-praise is no praise :lol:
    Maybe he is lining up the wall for a free-kick..?
     
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    The last two games he's been as bad as any player who's played for us this season. I do want him to start this game, mainly because he's too good to play like that for much longer, but no one should ever be considered undroppable (except the captain from LVG's point of view I suppose).
    I agree, but the time to drop a player to prove a point to him isn't in the biggest game of the season to date when on form he would be our best player and is normally a big game player anyways.
     
    Not sure how reliable this is, but I think it makes sense. Rooney up top where he should be and Fellaini playing is a plus in my opinion as he has that physical edge to him that usually sees Arsenal's players crumble to pieces (hopefully):

     
    You really can't start DiMaria on current form. Isn't Carrick fit?

    Its really the perfect game for him. We'l have plenty of chances to break at Arsenal with not many players behind the ball unlike other games where we're constantly up against 2 lines of 4s.
     
    Not sure how reliable this is, but I think it makes sense. Rooney up top where he should be and Fellaini playing is a plus in my opinion as he has that physical edge to him that usually sees Arsenal's players crumble to pieces (hopefully):



    That account has been pretty spot on with team news on game days recently.
     
    I agree, but the time to drop a player to prove a point to him isn't in the biggest game of the season to date when on form he would be our best player and is normally a big game player anyways.

    Yeah, one of the reasons I wouldn't drop him for this game is because it won't do his confidence any good, and I think that's all that's wrong with him at the moment (although, in fairness he's had a hectic schedule this year with the World Cup, plus introduction into new league/country, so maybe it's a little bit of a fatigue thing as well? But who knows).
     
    If you take into account the quality of individual players then the Arsenal Invincibles team were the best ever in the English top flight within anyone's living memory.This is supported by the Invincibles achievement.

    Firstly, the second snetence there is nonsense, the stats in no way confirm the first sentence. You could just as easily claim that Chelsea 04/05 were the best as they won more matches than anybody else has, and scored more points than anybody else has. In fact, given that the league is all about winning points, you'd have to give it to Chelsea over Arsenal on that basis.

    So at best your first sentence is subjective. You can belive it if you like, but personally I'm not so sure.

    Vieira,Bergkamp and Henry certainly fulfill the "individual players" part - they'd be looking for a place in anybody's all-time Premier League XI (though a couple of them may have to settle for sitting on the bench). Pires and Ljungberg were great but wouldn't make many people's Premier League XI, and while the defence were a fantastic unit, individually none of them would get close other than Cole, and to be honest he would mostly be getting in based on his work for Chelsea.

    But moreover, I would look at how the team played, and other than the brilliance of Henry, the main highlight was the defensive organisation. For me, this makes them struggle to take on United's late 90s team, whihc was not only packed with individuals who would be considered amongst the best ever in the Premier League, but played a much more entertaining brand of football.

    As far as "living memory" goes, I'm sure there are Scousers who were around in the late 70s and early 80s who would also take issue with you. But as I say, it's all subjective. I've no problem with you preferring that Arsenal team, but don't try and claim it as some kind of provable fact.
     
    With Shaw just coming back from injury and the news that Fellaini will start probably... Any chance we might see Blind at left back with Carrick in midfield next to herrera?
    I think Carrick will start, but think Herrera needs to as well because of his energy and creativity. Originally I thought he would start at #10 with Fellaini on the bench, but we might see something like:
    De gea
    Valencia Smalling Rojo Blind
    Carrick Herrera
    Di Maria Fellaini Young
    Rooney​
     
    That account has been pretty spot on with team news on game days recently.

    We're presumably going to get another 4-4-2 (or slight variation of) then? I definitely wouldn't be against that.

    Im gussing:
    De Gea
    Valencia--Smalling--Rojo--Shaw
    Di Maria--Blind--Herrera--Young
    ------------Fellaini
    ------------------Rooney

    Maybe Carrick will play instead of Herrera or Blind.
     
    With Shaw just coming back from injury and the news that Fellaini will start probably... Any chance we might see Blind at left back with Carrick in midfield next to herrera?
    I think Carrick will start, but think Herrera needs to as well because of his energy and creativity. Originally I thought he would start at #10 with Fellaini on the bench, but we might see something like:
    De gea
    Valencia Smalling Rojo Blind
    Carrick Herrera
    Di Maria Fellaini Young
    Rooney​

    Wouldn't surprise me to see that lineup either. The only real question is whether or not Shaw and Carrick feature, otherwise, for the first time, the lineup is actually quite predictable (consistency, at feking last).
     
    I agree, but the time to drop a player to prove a point to him isn't in the biggest game of the season to date when on form he would be our best player and is normally a big game player anyways.
    It's not about proving a point, it's about winning a game, and doing that with way out of form players seems the wrong way to go about trying to do that.
     
    well if it's true about fellaini, i can't see any other line up than this:

    valencia - smalling - jones/rojo - shaw/rojo

    di maria - herrera - blind - young
    ------------fellaini
    ------------rooney

    not my choice for a starting 11, mind.
     
    Expecting the same lineup as Newcastle but with Evans out for Luke Shaw.

    Excited about this one but not normally as confident as I am against Arsenal.
     
    Fellaini was actually pretty solid against Newcastle, especially since he was playing as a #9/#10. Could have had 2 goals if not for good saves. Also think he played well at the Emirates and helped launch the counter Rooney scored from. As long as it's not hoofball - I don't think that's the plan - I see him as more likely to add to the team than Falcao right now.
     
    well if it's true about fellaini, i can't see any other line up than this:

    valencia - smalling - jones/rojo - shaw/rojo

    di maria - herrera - blind - young
    ------------fellaini
    ------------rooney

    not my choice for a starting 11, mind.


    I would guess the same, maybe Carrick instead of Young.
    Mind you, if Rooney is the lone striker and Falcao does not start, I would think about Mata as the no. 10 instead of Fellaini...
     
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Shots
10 11
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5 8
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3 3
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