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    We need to rebuild with the right manager. Ole is out of his depth in terms of coaching and tactics at this level - the next few weeks will confirm this again against the big teams.
     
    sglowrider said:
    Any manager would be facing the same crap that Ole is facing right now. I bet even Pep would struggle.
    Whether he is qualified or not, he deserves respect at least and not silly calling to be sacked within 1 transfer window.
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    He has respect as a player. As a manager he has to earn it and he is failing.
     
    sglowrider said:
    He chopped six his first season and another six the following season.

    Bottomline is that people seem to have lost all perspective and patience. We are channelling the collective anger and frustrations of the past 6-7 yrs into Ole.

    We need to build again but root & branch.

    Whether Ole will eventually be successful, remains to be seen but what he is doing is logical and deserves to be given time.
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    What good is a 5 year plan if you cant survive 2.

    2,3,4,5 is just a number. Fergie axed 6 because he knows his card. Ole just axed everyone without plan b.

    I dont buy this thin squad. Ole took over 4 mths into the season. He has 8 full mths as coach to know which area needs improvement, which area can get by for a while, which area needs top players and which area could get by with a cheaper short term solution until next season.

    If he naively believes in axing 6 of our squad and believe he could get by asking 6 new players then he's the fool. Not woordward.

    Good managers always keeps up to date with what's and who's happening. They know which player they want, how they want their team to play even before the managed an actual team.

    Ole has 8mths to make contacts with agents all across europe. He could have sit down with ed and comes up with a long list of alternatives. 8 mths is ample times. We're not talking about 8 games. He could talk to butt ask him about who'd be good enough for a stop gap. He's the manager
     
    I am in Jakarta at the moment and this match is being advertised as the “Clash of Struggler”

    Fair?
     
    Looked at thw table for the first time in ages. Looking pretty grim.
     
    Adisa said:
    Looked at thw table for the first time in ages. Looking pretty grim.
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    Same. Haven't done this for quite a time. But with pretty much everyone in front of us winning yesterday I wanted to take a quick look. Shambles.
     
    sglowrider said:
    Its like change management or even having to rebuild organisations. You have to strip off the fats and then fix what you perceive to be your highest priorities given the limitations --- by limitations I am referring to financials.

    We have had bad buys/assets, poor performance and yet Woodward has obligations to the owners/shareholders. He has to manage their financial expectations year on year.

    That is sacrosanct as far as he is concerned. Therefore, he has to limit spendings and management of cashflows in order to manage the market's financial expectations of United. We will not have CL money this coming financial year, losing value on the assets, runaway wage bill and I am sure they have long terms plans on other spendings besides on transfer of players.

    For Ole, Rome cannot be built in seven days because of the fiduciary obligations Woodward has to his bosses. He has to work within a budget.

    So based on that basic premise, whats Ole to do? Chop the fat off first (Whether useless players or wage obligations) and fix your most outstanding operational needs. In Ole's view, its the defence -- despite spending and the purchases made by the previous managers. (I dont particularly agree with him but I am a fan so i dont see whats going on at the training field.)

    Beyond that there isnt much left to spend on -- so Ole has to gamble. Gamble on kids who are practically free.

    Thats the decision made in August.

    As to why we have performed badly? He is trying to instil a philosophy. Well as they say, its takes many more times more energy/effort to teach an older player than a young kid something new.
    I am sure players like Matic or even Pogba -- never mind the likes of Sanchez etc arent following Ole's vision and instructions.

    Even the younger players are struggling but theoretically its easier. So what do you do, you keep practising it on the field till you get the basics right first.

    With our limited squad and abilities, I can see us only being a counter-attacking team.

    Then if the kids or the rest of the teams improves and we can buy more players next transfer window, that will widen our different styles of play then we do so. But we are back to basic at the moment. Add layers later.

    You need to take your United tinted glasses off and look at United like some dysfunctional organisation that has undergone the various changes in approaches that we have had in the past six years and you can see the logical but handcuffed approach that Ole has under-taken.
    Forget about comparing it with the teams of 94, 98 or 2006.

    Ole has a more difficult take that Fergie when he first joined United. The expectations and the patience afforded to managers there wasnt in as short supply as it is now. Most managers are expected to have 3 transfer windows -- Ole only has had ONE and people are calling for his sacking. And a former player/legend at that. Disgraceful.

    FYI. Fergie had to chop off a lot of deadwood as his first point of action too.
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    Very well explained. Thanks for that.
     
    Judging by his presser, I think Ole will go with the following:

    De Gea

    Wan-Bissaka
    Lindelof
    Maguire
    Young

    McTominay
    Matic

    A.Pereira
    Lingard
    James

    Greenwood

    subs:
    Romero
    Tuanzebe
    Rojo
    Fred
    Mata
    Gomes
    Chong

    Score Prediction:

    Manchester United 1-1 Arsenal
    (Heart over head)
     
    sglowrider said:
    Any manager would be facing the same crap that Ole is facing right now. I bet even Pep would struggle.
    Whether he is qualified or not, he deserves respect at least and not silly calling to be sacked within 1 transfer window.
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    He needs to earn respect as a manager. As a club legend it is clear he already has respect.
    Also why should anyone not call for someone to be removed from a role, if they are not qualified?
     
    One thing I don't get btw is why is this on Monday night? One premier league game today and nothing in the 2pm slot. You've also both got europa on Thursday so seems bizarre to me.
     
    sglowrider said:
    Its like change management or even having to rebuild organisations. You have to strip off the fats and then fix what you perceive to be your highest priorities given the limitations --- by limitations I am referring to financials.

    We have had bad buys/assets, poor performance and yet Woodward has obligations to the owners/shareholders. He has to manage their financial expectations year on year.

    That is sacrosanct as far as he is concerned. Therefore, he has to limit spendings and management of cashflows in order to manage the market's financial expectations of United. We will not have CL money this coming financial year, losing value on the assets, runaway wage bill and I am sure they have long terms plans on other spendings besides on transfer of players.

    For Ole, Rome cannot be built in seven days because of the fiduciary obligations Woodward has to his bosses. He has to work within a budget.

    So based on that basic premise, whats Ole to do? Chop the fat off first (Whether useless players or wage obligations) and fix your most outstanding operational needs. In Ole's view, its the defence -- despite spending and the purchases made by the previous managers. (I dont particularly agree with him but I am a fan so i dont see whats going on at the training field.)

    Beyond that there isnt much left to spend on -- so Ole has to gamble. Gamble on kids who are practically free.

    Thats the decision made in August.

    As to why we have performed badly? He is trying to instil a philosophy. Well as they say, its takes many more times more energy/effort to teach an older player than a young kid something new.
    I am sure players like Matic or even Pogba -- never mind the likes of Sanchez etc arent following Ole's vision and instructions.

    Even the younger players are struggling but theoretically its easier. So what do you do, you keep practising it on the field till you get the basics right first.

    With our limited squad and abilities, I can see us only being a counter-attacking team.

    Then if the kids or the rest of the teams improves and we can buy more players next transfer window, that will widen our different styles of play then we do so. But we are back to basic at the moment. Add layers later.

    You need to take your United tinted glasses off and look at United like some dysfunctional organisation that has undergone the various changes in approaches that we have had in the past six years and you can see the logical but handcuffed approach that Ole has under-taken.
    Forget about comparing it with the teams of 94, 98 or 2006.

    Ole has a more difficult take that Fergie when he first joined United. The expectations and the patience afforded to managers there wasnt in as short supply as it is now. Most managers are expected to have 3 transfer windows -- Ole only has had ONE and people are calling for his sacking. And a former player/legend at that. Disgraceful.

    FYI. Fergie had to chop off a lot of deadwood as his first point of action too.
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    Yes Ole has had one window. I do not blame him for the last three bad windows as that is on Woodward, and why extend Jose and then NOT back him in last summer's transfer window... I will never know the logic there.

    Big issue you leave out here though. If we do not qualify for Champs League this year, not only do we lose Champs League money, our contract with Adidas will be cut by 30%.

    https://www.manchestereveningnews.co.uk/sport/football/adidas-clause-could-cost-manchester-16927708

    So I agree, Ole does not deserve all the blame, but no matter how you slice it we look idiots cutting so many big names from last year's squad, with so little reinforcements, and so much at stake.
     
    Rob Bowman said:
    Yes Ole has had one window. I do not blame him for the last three bad windows as that is on Woodward, and why extend Jose and then NOT back him in last summer's transfer window... I will never know the logic there.

    Big issue you leave out here though. If we do not qualify for Champs League this year, not only do we lose Champs League money, our contract with Adidas will be cut by 30%.

    https://www.manchestereveningnews.co.uk/sport/football/adidas-clause-could-cost-manchester-16927708

    So I agree, Ole does not deserve all the blame, but no matter how you slice it we look idiots cutting so many big names from last year's squad, with so little reinforcements, and so much at stake.
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    Clearly a high priority for Ole has been to reduce the wage bill. With an anticipated reduction in revenues, Woodward needs to reduce cost too to meet his financial objectives.

    This way the financial numbers at least look good or mitigated when Woodward does his quarterly announcement with Wall Street folks. This is how United always looks good with investors. Fiscally well managed.
     
    Can anyone explain why the feck we're not playing today? There's no PL lunch time game, yet both us and Arsenal have Europa League games and are still playing on Monday? Makes zero sense
     
    If we lose embarrassingly to them lot I’ll hit the roof. We worse than a team with David Luiz & Xhaka.
     
    Annihilate Now! said:
    Can anyone explain why the feck we're not playing today? There's no PL lunch time game, yet both us and Arsenal have Europa League games and are still playing on Monday? Makes zero sense
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    The league doesn't care about us enough to help us out.
     
    sglowrider said:
    Clearly a high priority for Ole has been to reduce the wage bill. With an anticipated reduction in revenues, Woodward needs to reduce cost too to meet his financial objectives.

    This way the financial numbers at least look good or mitigated when Woodward does his quarterly announcement with Wall Street folks. This is how United always looks good with investors. Fiscally well managed.
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    I understand the cutting the wage bill. I do not understand why we need to anticipate reduction in revenues...

    when this could have been avoided with just a few decent buys over the summer.

    Sorry mate but lots on here saw this train wreck of a season developing (and I understand there are many financial decisions that should not factor but do)... and we could have met those needs AND been better prepared this year with a DoF. It is that simple which is why numerous clubs without our financial muscle are very competitive, and we are not.
     
    Ole will find a way not to start Greenwood. Either Lingard false 9 or a patched up Rashy making a miraculous recovery.
     
    Annihilate Now! said:
    Can anyone explain why the feck we're not playing today? There's no PL lunch time game, yet both us and Arsenal have Europa League games and are still playing on Monday? Makes zero sense
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    It is a ludicrous time slot.
     
    FootballHQ said:
    One thing I don't get btw is why is this on Monday night? One premier league game today and nothing in the 2pm slot. You've also both got europa on Thursday so seems bizarre to me.
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    You do get some odds stuff.
    Like Arsenal played last sunday, but still for some reason played their league cup game on the Tue!
     
    Annihilate Now! said:
    Can anyone explain why the feck we're not playing today? There's no PL lunch time game, yet both us and Arsenal have Europa League games and are still playing on Monday? Makes zero sense
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    The PL felt sorry for United fans and didn't want us to have a bad weekend after another inevitable shit performance/loss
     
    sglowrider said:
    Clearly a high priority for Ole has been to reduce the wage bill. With an anticipated reduction in revenues, Woodward needs to reduce cost too to meet his financial objectives.

    This way the financial numbers at least look good or mitigated when Woodward does his quarterly announcement with Wall Street folks. This is how United always looks good with investors. Fiscally well managed.
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    Good, let’s get with the programme and think of the profit- who gives two fecks about football-soccer anyway?
     
    sglowrider said:
    Clearly a high priority for Ole has been to reduce the wage bill. With an anticipated reduction in revenues, Woodward needs to reduce cost too to meet his financial objectives.

    This way the financial numbers at least look good or mitigated when Woodward does his quarterly announcement with Wall Street folks. This is how United always looks good with investors. Fiscally well managed.
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    They might be fiscally well managed. But if that is the case, it is the only thing that is.
    The rest of the footballing side, from scouting, training, coaching and tactically are abysmally managed.
     
    Sparky Rhiwabon said:
    Ole will find a way not to start Greenwood. Either Lingard false 9 or a patched up Rashy making a miraculous recovery.
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    Greenwood might not be the answer for the whole game though. He is 17... he will need to develop, it would be a big gamble to put him alone and play him a full game against Arsenal, despite Arsenal being a bit shitty.
     
    Sandikan said:
    You do get some odds stuff.
    Like Arsenal played last sunday, but still for some reason played their league cup game on the Tue!
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    That was to help Forest out as they were playing Stoke on Friday night. And Arsenal were always going to change pretty much their full 11 for cup game.

    I enjoyed watching Brentford-Barnsley in the pub, was a good game but still don't understand why Man. United-Arsenal wasn't in that slot.
     
    RedDevilRoshi said:
    Judging by his presser, I think Ole will go with the following:

    De Gea

    Wan-Bissaka
    Lindelof
    Maguire
    Young

    McTominay
    Matic

    A.Pereira
    Lingard
    James

    Greenwood

    subs:
    Romero
    Tuanzebe
    Rojo
    Fred
    Mata
    Gomes
    Chong

    Score Prediction:

    Manchester United 1-1 Arsenal
    (Heart over head)
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    That teams exactly what I've predicted. Looks shit though
     
    sglowrider said:
    Clearly a high priority for Ole has been to reduce the wage bill. With an anticipated reduction in revenues, Woodward needs to reduce cost too to meet his financial objectives.

    This way the financial numbers at least look good or mitigated when Woodward does his quarterly announcement with Wall Street folks. This is how United always looks good with investors. Fiscally well managed.
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    Trouble is, we’re a football club, not a fecking bank. The football club is being eroded year by year. Nothing Ole or a DOF can do when they are told the wage bill has to be cut to meet financial targets, regardless of its effect on the team/squad. Think of the dividends. Doesn’t matter whether ole, a DOF, Pep, Jose or Joey fecking Barton is in charge, they are not in charge but merely there to cop the flak whilst the Glazers cream the profits.
     
    I used to really look forward to this match. Proper rivalries, proper contest, proper battles, proper managers and proper players.
    It used to be one of the biggest games of the season.
    Now.....
     
    Denis' cuff said:
    Trouble is, we’re a football club, not a fecking bank. The football club is being eroded year by year. Nothing Ole or a DOF can do when they are told the wage bill has to be cut to meet financial targets, regardless of its effect on the team/squad. Think of the dividends. Doesn’t matter whether ole, a DOF, Pep, Jose or Joey fecking Barton is in charge, they are not in charge but merely there to cop the flak whilst the Glazers cream the profits.
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    And yet. When we had someone in charge....
     
    Feeling weirdly very confident about this as I think the lads will turn up big time.

    1-1.
     
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