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Manchester United 1:1 Arsenal

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    Clash of the Clowns. If either team loses this match they should be ashamed.
     
    sglowrider said:
    Then the predictable Ole out cnuts will be in full force.
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    The only cnuts are the ones turning a blind eye to what is glaringly obvious.

    Happy to see our team regress more and more until we’re firmly a mid table team, if not worse.

    Arsenal will win comfortably.
     
    AC1689 said:
    The only cnuts are the ones turning a blind eye to what is glaringly obvious.

    Happy to see our team regress more and more until we’re firmly a mid table team, if not worse.

    Arsenal will win comfortably.
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    Who's turning a blind eye? Its a process but most of you cant see what he is trying to do. Its strategic.
     
    AC1689 said:
    The only cnuts are the ones turning a blind eye to what is glaringly obvious.

    Happy to see our team regress more and more until we’re firmly a mid table team, if not worse.

    Arsenal will win comfortably.
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    Anyone who expected us to be competing during this rebuild is a complete moron. Will continue to get worse before it gets better.
     
    AC1689 said:
    The only cnuts are the ones turning a blind eye to what is glaringly obvious.

    Happy to see our team regress more and more until we’re firmly a mid table team, if not worse.

    Arsenal will win comfortably.
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    I doubt it, we're shit on the road and haven't won at OT since 2006. I predict a draw but wouldn't be surprised with a loss and a thumping
     
    Watford went head to head with Arsenal a couple of weeks ago with the team below:

    Foster
    Feminia Dawson Kabasele Holebas
    Capoue Doucoure
    Hughes Cleverley Deulofeu
    Gray​

    Regardless of the players we have out, if we have some belief, we can cause this Arsenal team problems. Lets attack them and make things happen.
     
    Walters_19_MuFc said:
    Watford went head to head with Arsenal a couple of weeks ago with the team below:

    Foster
    Feminia Dawson Kabasele Holebas
    Capoue Doucoure
    Hughes Cleverley Deulofeu
    Gray​

    Regardless of the players we have out, if we have some belief, we can cause this Arsenal team problems. Lets attack them and make things happen.
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    I'm not so sure, Martial, Shaw, Dalot and Gomes are all ruled out. Pogba and Greenwood are 50-50 to recover in time. It doesn't look good right now.
     
    DDG
    AWB - Tuanzebe - Maguire - Young
    -- Fred - Matic - McTom
    Lingard - Greenwood - James

    As shot as Matic is I think he offers more than Mata.. Just. Give Fred the freedom to play make in the middle but not coming deep where his inevitable brain farts are most dangerous.

    Hope Greenwood continues his ruthless streak and we grab a 1-0 win.

    If Greenwood is out, christ, I think id rather Mata up there than Lingard. At least he's sometimes able to grab a goal in the box. Any youth left to draft? Ramazani?

    Would Garner be fit enough to start after playing U23 so recently? I'd prefer him to Matic ideally.
     
    Last season after 7 games United had 10 points. Our worst start to a league for 29 years. A defeat or draw on Monday will mean we'll surpass that awful record. Depressing stuff lads.
     
    RedDevil-85 said:
    No Pogba,Matial or Rashford..ffs!
    We are in poor form,barely score goals and have injuries on key players.
    I can see a crushing defeat coming,it was a tough match before the injuries so this will be a big struggle.
    Not looking forward to this one.
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    If we lose big it will really put a lot of pressure on Ole and the squad. I'm already concerned about where we'll finish the league but dropping so many points this early in the season will be devastating to our confidence and moral. I can see fans calling for Ole's head a lot sooner, like Monday night.
     
    If Greenwood doesn't start in this game, you'd have to question the manager's decision-making. Playing an out-of-form championship player like Lingard out of position is just asking for trouble.
    sglowrider said:
    Who's turning a blind eye? Its a process but most of you cant see what he is trying to do. Its strategic.
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    Have you ever considered you might be seeing something that's not really... there?
     
    Without Greenwood or rashford then mata would be the better option before lingard as striker as he would be the best finisher we have left to choose from, could argue he's even better than rashford in front of goal in terms of composure and taking chances around the box.

    Just looked at the table after the Everton - man city game, christ it's grim reading with us in 11th place, definite must win game with fixtures coming up with our awful away record since Ole became permanent manager.
     
    sglowrider said:
    Who's turning a blind eye? Its a process but most of you cant see what he is trying to do. Its strategic.
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    Pretty sure I've heard that argument before from a United manager, a more qualified manager at that as well.....
     
    10% so far have put us to win! That says how much confidence, followers , fans have in this squad.

    I don't even know if I'd watch it, that's how I'm feeling . Gunners are not the best a game of two poor teams I think.
     
    sglowrider said:
    Who's turning a blind eye? Its a process but most of you cant see what he is trying to do. Its strategic.
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    James being the only attacking signing is strategic?

    Not having an attacking plan which doesn’t involve the counter is strategic?

    Emphasising the press all of pre season then not actually using it during the season is strategic?
     
    Out of interest, how is totally neglecting the midfield and attack any sort of "process"?
     
    Or simply too spoiled to expect Man fecking United to beat the mighty Astanas and Rochdales comfortably, let alone having a clear identity on the pitch.
     
    De Gea
    AWB--Lindelof--Maguire--Young
    Matic--McTominay
    Lingard--Pereira--James
    Greenwood

    Subs: Romero; Axel, Rojo, Williams, Fred, Mata, Chong

    If Pogba is fit then start him in place of Pereira.

    This front six is absolutely tragic. Bottom half PL level and that's no exaggeration. Just look at our squad right now - just abysmal.​
     
    I’m actually looking forward the game because I want to see Greenwood start in the league game. I’m hoping Pogba is fit and playing in that no 10 role but it’s probably just a false hope to even wish he’s going to be fit.

    Defensively we have been positive this season but offensively have been dreadful. However, it’s arsenal and they are not good in defending.
     



    Certainly how I feel right now. Hope the boys put in a good performance.
     
    haram said:
    I can see what he is trying to do. It's a load of bollocks.
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    Sandikan said:
    Out of interest, how is totally neglecting the midfield and attack any sort of "process"?
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    Its like change management or even having to rebuild organisations. You have to strip off the fats and then fix what you perceive to be your highest priorities given the limitations --- by limitations I am referring to financials.

    We have had bad buys/assets, poor performance and yet Woodward has obligations to the owners/shareholders. He has to manage their financial expectations year on year.

    That is sacrosanct as far as he is concerned. Therefore, he has to limit spendings and management of cashflows in order to manage the market's financial expectations of United. We will not have CL money this coming financial year, losing value on the assets, runaway wage bill and I am sure they have long terms plans on other spendings besides on transfer of players.

    For Ole, Rome cannot be built in seven days because of the fiduciary obligations Woodward has to his bosses. He has to work within a budget.

    So based on that basic premise, whats Ole to do? Chop the fat off first (Whether useless players or wage obligations) and fix your most outstanding operational needs. In Ole's view, its the defence -- despite spending and the purchases made by the previous managers. (I dont particularly agree with him but I am a fan so i dont see whats going on at the training field.)

    Beyond that there isnt much left to spend on -- so Ole has to gamble. Gamble on kids who are practically free.

    Thats the decision made in August.

    As to why we have performed badly? He is trying to instil a philosophy. Well as they say, its takes many more times more energy/effort to teach an older player than a young kid something new.
    I am sure players like Matic or even Pogba -- never mind the likes of Sanchez etc arent following Ole's vision and instructions.

    Even the younger players are struggling but theoretically its easier. So what do you do, you keep practising it on the field till you get the basics right first.

    With our limited squad and abilities, I can see us only being a counter-attacking team.

    Then if the kids or the rest of the teams improves and we can buy more players next transfer window, that will widen our different styles of play then we do so. But we are back to basic at the moment. Add layers later.

    You need to take your United tinted glasses off and look at United like some dysfunctional organisation that has undergone the various changes in approaches that we have had in the past six years and you can see the logical but handcuffed approach that Ole has under-taken.
    Forget about comparing it with the teams of 94, 98 or 2006.

    Ole has a more difficult take that Fergie when he first joined United. The expectations and the patience afforded to managers there wasnt in as short supply as it is now. Most managers are expected to have 3 transfer windows -- Ole only has had ONE and people are calling for his sacking. And a former player/legend at that. Disgraceful.

    FYI. Fergie had to chop off a lot of deadwood as his first point of action too.
     
    sglowrider said:
    Its like change management or even having to rebuild organisations. You have to strip off the fats and then fix what you perceive to be your highest priorities given the limitations --- by limitations I am referring to financials.

    We have had bad buys/assets, poor performance and yet Woodward has obligations to the owners/shareholders. He has to manage their financial expectations year on year.

    That is sacrosanct as far as he is concerned. Therefore, he has to limit spendings and management of cashflows in order to manage the market's financial expectations of United. We will not have CL money this coming financial year, losing value on the assets, runaway wage bill and I am sure they have long terms plans on other spendings besides on transfer of players.

    For Ole, Rome cannot be built in seven days because of the fiduciary obligations Woodward has to his bosses. He has to work within a budget.

    So based on that basic premise, whats Ole to do? Chop the fat off first (Whether useless players or wage obligations) and fix your most outstanding operational needs. In Ole's view, its the defence -- despite spending and the purchases made by the previous managers. (I dont particularly agree with him but I am a fan so i dont see whats going on at the training field.)

    Beyond that there isnt much left to spend on -- so Ole has to gamble. Gamble on kids who are practically free.

    Thats the decision made in August.

    As to why we have performed badly? He is trying to instil a philosophy. Well as they say, its takes many more times more energy/effort to teach an older player than a young kid something new.
    I am sure players like Matic or even Pogba -- never mind the likes of Sanchez etc arent following Ole's vision and instructions.

    Even the younger players are struggling but theoretically its easier. So what do you do, you keep practising it on the field till you get the basics right first.

    With our limited squad and abilities, I can see us only being a counter-attacking team.

    Then if the kids or the rest of the teams improves and we can buy more players next transfer window, that will widen our different styles of play then we do so. But we are back to basic at the moment. Add layers later.

    You need to take your United tinted glasses off and look at United like some dysfunctional organisation that has undergone the various changes in approaches that we have had in the past six years and you can see the logical but handcuffed approach that Ole has under-taken.
    Forget about comparing it with the teams of 94, 98 or 2006.

    Ole has a more difficult take that Fergie when he first joined United. The expectations and the patience afforded to managers there wasnt in as short supply as it is now. Most managers are expected to have 3 transfer windows -- Ole only has had ONE and people are calling for his sacking. And a former player/legend at that. Disgraceful.

    FYI. Fergie had to chop off a lot of deadwood as his first point of action too.
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    All of this and you cannot see that all he has done is managed Molde. Rome was not built in a day (or 7 as you put it), but Ole cannot build it period.
     
    sglowrider said:
    Its like change management or even having to rebuild organisations. You have to strip off the fats and then fix what you perceive to be your highest priorities given the limitations --- by limitations I am referring to financials.

    We have had bad buys/assets, poor performance and yet Woodward has obligations to the owners/shareholders. He has to manage their financial expectations year on year.

    That is sacrosanct as far as he is concerned. Therefore, he has to limit spendings and management of cashflows in order to manage the market's financial expectations of United. We will not have CL money this coming financial year, losing value on the assets, runaway wage bill and I am sure they have long terms plans on other spendings besides on transfer of players.

    For Ole, Rome cannot be built in seven days because of the fiduciary obligations Woodward has to his bosses. He has to work within a budget.

    So based on that basic premise, whats Ole to do? Chop the fat off first (Whether useless players or wage obligations) and fix your most outstanding operational needs. In Ole's view, its the defence -- despite spending and the purchases made by the previous managers. (I dont particularly agree with him but I am a fan so i dont see whats going on at the training field.)

    Beyond that there isnt much left to spend on -- so Ole has to gamble. Gamble on kids who are practically free.

    Thats the decision made in August.

    As to why we have performed badly? He is trying to instil a philosophy. Well as they say, its takes many more times more energy/effort to teach an older player than a young kid something new.
    I am sure players like Matic or even Pogba -- never mind the likes of Sanchez etc arent following Ole's vision and instructions.

    Even the younger players are struggling but theoretically its easier. So what do you do, you keep practising it on the field till you get the basics right first.

    With our limited squad and abilities, I can see us only being a counter-attacking team.

    Then if the kids or the rest of the teams improves and we can buy more players next transfer window, that will widen our different styles of play then we do so. But we are back to basic at the moment. Add layers later.

    You need to take your United tinted glasses off and look at United like some dysfunctional organisation that has undergone the various changes in approaches that we have had in the past six years and you can see the logical but handcuffed approach that Ole has under-taken.
    Forget about comparing it with the teams of 94, 98 or 2006.

    Ole has a more difficult take that Fergie when he first joined United. The expectations and the patience afforded to managers there wasnt in as short supply as it is now. Most managers are expected to have 3 transfer windows -- Ole only has had ONE and people are calling for his sacking. And a former player/legend at that. Disgraceful.

    FYI. Fergie had to chop off a lot of deadwood as his first point of action too.
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    In time though.

    Cutting all the fats when you havent developed enough muscle is stupidity.

    That's not rebuilt. That's like loading a new safe game in real life. It doesnt work.

    Fergie didnt swing the axe until his babes are ready
     
    Grinner said:
    I've been told I'm not allowed to celebrate because of where my seats are in the ground. Enemy territory.
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    Nah, feel free to celebrate. Nothing will happen to you. You might be called a few choice words, though!

    Hopefully there ends up being nothing for you to celebrate so you won't have to worry about it :wenger:
     
    haram said:
    All of this and you cannot see that all he has done is managed Molde. Rome was not built in a day (or 7 as you put it), but Ole cannot build it period.
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    Any manager would be facing the same crap that Ole is facing right now. I bet even Pep would struggle.
    Whether he is qualified or not, he deserves respect at least and not silly calling to be sacked within 1 transfer window.
     
    Sky1981 said:
    In time though.

    Cutting all the fats when you havent developed enough muscle is stupidity.

    That's not rebuilt. That's like loading a new safe game in real life. It doesnt work.

    Fergie didnt swing the axe until his babes are ready
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    He chopped six his first season and another six the following season.

    Bottomline is that people seem to have lost all perspective and patience. We are channelling the collective anger and frustrations of the past 6-7 yrs into Ole.

    We need to build again but root & branch.

    Whether Ole will eventually be successful, remains to be seen but what he is doing is logical and deserves to be given time.
     
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