Liverpool 0:0 Manchester United

Stacks · Oct 6, 2016

Jaybomb said:
Except Liverpool are not the better team. They have a squad full of midtable players and lets not forget that they lost to Burnley. I see no reason why we can't destroy them when we destroyed Leicester who have the better players.

Maradona10 said:
Same team as stoke, maybe play martial instead of Lingard. Keep Henrikh on the bench. We will destroy them. I think we will be great after the international break.

This is soo silly. Did Liverpool not beat Arsenal and Chelsea away who have better players than Leicester? And why do Leicester have better players than Liverpool? We all acknowledge that Leicester winning the league was a fluke and they have average players. Their true level is now showing. Liverpool put 4 past Leicester and yet Leicester have better players? right.....We lost to Watford, Feyenord, drew at home with Stoke. Burnley had 20% possession. based on our starts it is clinically insane to conclude that we will destroy them. There is no logic. They are not unbeatable but have started better vs tougher fixtures.

Schmiznurf · Oct 6, 2016

Maradona10 said:
Same team as stoke, maybe play martial instead of Lingard. Keep Henrikh on the bench. We will destroy them. I think we will be great after the international break.

I would do the same, ideally Mkhi would be in place of Lingard but he might not be ready come the match.

sunama · Oct 6, 2016

Jaybomb said:
Except Liverpool are not the better team. They have a squad full of midtable players and lets not forget that they lost to Burnley. I see no reason why we can't destroy them when we destroyed Leicester who have the better players.

This logic would be fine in a world where having the best players = winning the game.
Having the best players does not mean that team will win the most games.

For me the 3 biggest factors to consider and all go in LFC's favour:
Form: LFC are in terrific form and seem to have luck on their side.
Location: Anfield - this should give LFC an extra few percentage points in their favour.
League ranking - LFC are higher than us in the league, despite playing more difficult opponents. We couldn't beat the worst team in the league and got spanked by Watford.

In our favour:
We have Jose, who usually does well against LFC. A manager who is happy to play negative football to win the game.
Man for man, our team is one of the best in the league.

sunama · Oct 6, 2016

Maradona10 said:
We will destroy them. I think we will be great after the international break.

We scored 4 points from our last 4 games.
What makes you think we will be great in our next game?
Genuine question btw.

Chuckazulu · Oct 6, 2016

sunama said:
Is this based on logic or the same mentality which saw some people predict that Falcao will become the best striker in the World (this was said many times when Falcao was with us) or that Rooney will score a hattrick (this too has been mentioned several times in recent weeks).

If anyone gets hammered, it will likely be us.
However, if we win, I suspect it will be 1-0. We can win the game, but we will need to play extremely negative football, which will result in LFC dominating the game, but MUFC scoring a lucky goal.

At this moment in time, LFC are the better team. Even the most deluded MUFC fan cannot refute this.

It's based on belief in MUFC.

On form, they are the better team right now but I still believe we are good enough to hammer them if we play to the game plan set by the manager (assuming he gets it right).

I'm still scratching my head how that mid of theirs hasn't been found out. I mean Lallana, Hendo and Wijnaldum? that's three mids that are primarily attack oriented. That mid in my opinion is imbalanced and I would suggest taking advantage of that. Their defence is a bit shady as well if you ask me, Matip and Clyne are the only two guys that are really good imo.

The attack, though, is a different story. Too quick. Too clever, and this will rightfully give us too many problems. The only weakness is that, they tire as the game goes on which we'll definitely be able to exploit.

Our recent games give me the belief that we can batter these. We can now see our players moving on the same wavelength and actually creating clear cut chances in the final third and against Liverpool, a side that doesn't sit deep, we should see more of these chances. Hopefully, this time we'll be able to finish them off.

Our height advantage should be a plus as well.

This game could go both ways and I realise stats favour them but this is one game that stats don't really matter. I'm going for the united win here.

Stacks · Oct 6, 2016

Chuckazulu said:
It's based on belief in MUFC.

On form, they are the better team right now but I still believe we are good enough to hammer them if we play to the game plan set by the manager (assuming he gets it right).

I'm still scratching my head how that mid of theirs hasn't been found out. I mean Lallana, Hendo and Wijnaldum? that's three mids that are primarily attack oriented. That mid in my opinion is imbalanced and I would suggest taking advantage of that. Their defence is a bit shady as well if you ask me, Matip and Clyne are the only two guys that are really good imo.

The attack, though, is a different story. Too quick. Too clever, and this will rightfully give us too many problems. The only weakness is that, they tire as the game goes on which we'll definitely be able to exploit.

Our recent games give me the belief that we can batter these. We can now see our players moving on the same wavelength and actually creating clear cut chances in the final third and against Liverpool, a side that doesn't sit deep, we should see more of these chances. Hopefully, this time we'll be able to finish them off.

Our height advantage should be a plus as well.

This game could go both ways and I realise stats favour them but this is one game that stats don't really matter. I'm going for the united win here.

Every aspect of our team has been exposed on occasion also except up top. Our midfield gets found our by Xavi (Allen) as well as De Bruyne and Silva bossing things. Our defence has a mistake in it. THey have just as much a chance exposing our shortfalls. Pogba hasn't looked any more productive than their CMds so he could get found out too!

Chuckazulu · Oct 6, 2016

Stacks said:
Every aspect of our team has been exposed on occasion also except up top. Our midfield gets found our by Xavi (Allen) as well as De Bruyne and Silva bossing things. Our defence has a mistake in it. THey have just as much a chance exposing our shortfalls. Pogba hasn't looked any more productive than their CMds so he could get found out too!

...and that's why they seem to be the better team right now. But I'm glad that we've had all those mistakes and it's why I really think we are getting better. Each of those mistakes has taught us something and you can actually see that our players and staff are really learning from those.

The only games I think we made some really bad mistakes is the City and Watford game by the way.

Maradona10 · Oct 6, 2016

sunama said:
We scored 4 points from our last 4 games.
What makes you think we will be great in our next game?
Genuine question btw.

I think we have played well in all games. Have been extremely unlucky with results.I also think our side is clicking now and performances are good. Its just a hut feeling. I have no scientific proofs for the same. I have not been optimistic about our club for past three years(see my tagline). Under mourinho it seems a matter of time and when not if we start winning trophies.

Alex Styles · Oct 6, 2016

Schmiznurf said:
Based on him not being a very good player and Liverpool will capitalise on the many mistakes he makes.

Like they capitalised last time he played against them?

Dumbstar · Oct 6, 2016

The Purist said:
Re: the Arsenal/Liverpool game..

We had a 20 year old making his Premier League debut at centre half with Calum Chambers, no Özil and a Cazorla struggling for fitness who could only play 30 minutes. By and large, they had their strongest team.

I'd warrant a guess that game would have went differently should Mustafi and Koscielny have played, let alone Ozil. Regardless, they did well on the day and exploited our weaknesses so fair play to them.

And we played Morono at left back. nuff said.

Stacks · Oct 7, 2016

Chuckazulu said:
...and that's why they seem to be the better team right now. But I'm glad that we've had all those mistakes and it's why I really think we are getting better. Each of those mistakes has taught us something and you can actually see that our players and staff are really learning from those.

The only games I think we made some really bad mistakes is the City and Watford game by the way.

Maybe I am blind but I don't see these green shoots of recovery that you are seeing. I also don't see how Pogba is learning when he goes from one good game to a rubbish game the next. Show me examples of how our players and staff are learning from their mistakes?

ManRant · Oct 7, 2016

Hope we can win this one. Should be an exciting, high scoring game.

Jaybomb · Oct 7, 2016

Stacks said:
This is soo silly. Did Liverpool not beat Arsenal and Chelsea away who have better players than Leicester? And why do Leicester have better players than Liverpool? We all acknowledge that Leicester winning the league was a fluke and they have average players. Their true level is now showing. Liverpool put 4 past Leicester and yet Leicester have better players? right.....We lost to Watford, Feyenord, drew at home with Stoke. Burnley had 20% possession. based on our starts it is clinically insane to conclude that we will destroy them. There is no logic. They are not unbeatable but have started better vs tougher fixtures.

Leicester absolutely have better players than Liverpool. Schmeichel, Mahrez and Vardy would walk into their side. I'd make an argument for Morgan, Slimani and Fuchs too.

Jayvin · Oct 7, 2016

Jaybomb said:
Leicester absolutely have better players than Liverpool. Schmeichel, Mahrez and Vardy would walk into their side. I'd make an argument for Morgan, Slimani and Fuchs too.

Yeah and about 6-7 Liverpool players would start for Leicester, you're talking nonsense. Leicester do not have "absolutely better players than Liverpool".

If I was a Liverpool fan, the only players I'd take from Leicester as starters are Schmeichel and Mahrez.

Jaybomb · Oct 7, 2016

Jayvin said:
Yeah and about 6-7 Liverpool players would start for Leicester, you're talking nonsense. Leicester do not have "absolutely better players than Liverpool".

If I was a Liverpool fan, the only players I'd take from Leicester as starters are Schmeichel and Mahrez.

They've won the league and Liverpool never have. They should be taking their entire fecking squad.

I rest my case.

johnny boy · Oct 7, 2016

Jayvin said:
Yeah and about 6-7 Liverpool players would start for Leicester, you're talking nonsense. Leicester do not have "absolutely better players than Liverpool".

He ALWAYS talks nonsense, it's just the usual daily crap.

Crossie · Oct 7, 2016

Jaybomb said:
They've won the league and Liverpool never have. They should be taking their entire fecking squad.

I rest my case.

I can't help to get the impression your account is either run by or has been hacked by Donald J Trump.

Klopper76 · Oct 7, 2016

Jayvin said:
Yeah and about 6-7 Liverpool players would start for Leicester, you're talking nonsense. Leicester do not have "absolutely better players than Liverpool".

If I was a Liverpool fan, the only players I'd take from Leicester as starters are Schmeichel and Mahrez.

Vardy would probably do well with our style of play. He's certainly better suited to it than Sturridge.

I wouldn't take Leicester's entire squad though. That's a strange post from Jay.

Treble · Oct 7, 2016

I'm not sure that Mahrez would start for Liverpool on this season's form. Is he going to displace Mane or Firmino or Coutinho? He was great last season, not sure he will be so good this season.

Chuckazulu · Oct 7, 2016

Stacks said:
Maybe I am blind but I don't see these green shoots of recovery that you are seeing. I also don't see how Pogba is learning when he goes from one good game to a rubbish game the next. Show me examples of how our players and staff are learning from their mistakes?

you seriously haven't seen any improvement these past 2 games against Leicester and then Stoke? You haven't noticed the amount of chances we've created from open play? if you haven't, then yes, you definitely need to get your eyes checked.
Jose is by and by finding his team and the best way to set them up for tactical success. Everybody sees this

Hugh Jass · Oct 7, 2016

Liverpool have much better players than Leicester. Probably only Vardy and Mahrez would get into the liverpool team.

Stacks · Oct 7, 2016

Chuckazulu said:
you seriously haven't seen any improvement these past 2 games against Leicester and then Stoke? You haven't noticed the amount of chances we've created from open play? if you haven't, then yes, you definitely need to get your eyes checked.
Jose is by and by finding his team and the best way to set them up for tactical success. Everybody sees this

Yes I have and that said, these are home games against out of form teams. Everyone is trashing Leicester and Stoke are rock bottom so I am still to be convinced to be honest

Stacks · Oct 7, 2016

Jaybomb said:
They've won the league and Liverpool never have. They should be taking their entire fecking squad.

I rest my case.

So we should take Leicester entire squad since we haven't been in a title race for a good while?

sunama · Oct 7, 2016

Maradona10 said:
I think we have played well in all games.

Surely that makes our points total of 4 points from 4 games even worse.
If we played well and scored 4 points, imagine if we play average, poor or play a top team in form?

The truth is that our players have not clicked and we are going into a game whose players have clicked.
The odds are against us.

sunama · Oct 7, 2016

A lot of you are getting caught up in the 'man-for-man' argument.
Yes, LFC don't have a great players: man for man and there are other teams out there with better players.
But this is not how LFC (or LCFC last season) win games.

The concept of winning games/trophies is about having overall the best team. This includes management, tactics, form, morale, player quality and how managers make use of the players.
At present, LFC are doing this better than us.

Chuckazulu · Oct 7, 2016

Stacks said:
Yes I have and that said, these are home games against out of form teams. Everyone is trashing Leicester and Stoke are rock bottom so I am still to be convinced to be honest

I don't think anybody is convinced yet but we're definitely getting there.

From those two games, though, I've seen enough to believe we can get a win at Anfield.

Stacks · Oct 7, 2016

Chuckazulu said:
I don't think anybody is convinced yet but we're definitely getting there.

From those two games, though, I've seen enough to believe we can get a win at Anfield.

Of course we can bloody beat the Pool! they are by no means unbeatable. I could put money on us winning as we simply have good enough players. My issue was with all these guys saying we WILL destroy them as if we have given any indication that is a possibility so far. Liverpool haven't been destroyed by anyone and we certainly haven't looked like the side who will be the first

Brightonian · Oct 7, 2016

sunama said:
Surely that makes our points total of 4 points from 4 games even worse.

Just to butt in here, that's not our points total. That's our points from the last four games, chosen as the worst-sounding selection. Our points total is 13 from 7, which is almost twice as good. If you want to be selective, you could also say we've got 4 from our last 2.

JB08 · Oct 7, 2016

3-1 loss written all over it.

Santoryo · Oct 7, 2016

Are people still screaming from the top of their lungs that we'll get hammered by Pool 5-0? That is usually the sign that the meltdown is still strong around these boards.

Antisocial · Oct 8, 2016

Santoryo said:
Are people still screaming from the top of their lungs that we'll get hammered by Pool 5-0? That is usually the sign that the meltdown is still strong around these boards.

Seems to be more of a calm acceptance of the reality of the situation facing us, with a dreading of the potential scale of the horror that awaits us rather than a full meltdown. Perhaps nearer the day?

Shiva87 · Oct 8, 2016

Stacks said:
Maybe I am blind but I don't see these green shoots of recovery that you are seeing. I also don't see how Pogba is learning when he goes from one good game to a rubbish game the next. Show me examples of how our players and staff are learning from their mistakes?

Pogba's only 'rubbish' games so far were Watford and Feyenoord. Just coz he missed a few chances doesn't make it a rubbish game!

Schmiznurf · Oct 8, 2016

Santoryo said:
Are people still screaming from the top of their lungs that we'll get hammered by Pool 5-0? That is usually the sign that the meltdown is still strong around these boards.

I find it hilarious that our own fans think we will get destroyed, we haven't even played that badly.

Jaybomb · Oct 8, 2016

Treble said:
I'm not sure that Mahrez would start for Liverpool on this season's form. Is he going to displace Mane or Firmino or Coutinho? He was great last season, not sure he will be so good this season.

Mahrez is on a completely different level to those 3.

Coutinho is a one trick pony and Firmino is slow. Mane is a solid player though. But I don't think any of the "top" teams in the PL would sign him. He wouldn't make it in a City, United or Chelsea line up, would he? Would any of Liverpool's players?

GailSpaceWynand · Oct 8, 2016

Schmiznurf said:
I find it hilarious that our own fans think we will get destroyed, we haven't even played that badly.

I think the humiliation aspect of losing to Liverpool is a big factor. There is unwonted fear amongst us, kind of like Arsenal fans were last week when Spurs beat City - one of them told me it's nothing to worry about since the only way Spurs can finish above Arsenal is by winning the title (Totteringham day or something)! Being on top of the perch for so long, United fans are for the first time in many years, wary of Liverpool. As for me, I am kinda happy these scousers now don't have time to be bitter like in recent times (read: 20+ years) and actually engage in ~~witty~~ banter.

Shiva87 · Oct 8, 2016

Jaybomb said:
Mahrez is on a completely different level to those 3.

Coutinho is a one trick pony and Firmino is slow. Mane is a solid player though. But I don't think any of the "top" teams in the PL would sign him. He wouldn't make it in a City, United or Chelsea line up, would he? Would any of Liverpool's players?

Is that sarcastic in some way? What's a top team, may I ask? By your definition, it looks like clubs which can throw lots of money at the shiniest new thing - despite what it adds to the team!

Anyway, those 3 players you are talking about are currently playing better than any of our 'top' players except maybe Rashford. If we want to win the game next week, we need to keep those three quite, and it is definitely not as easy as you make it sound.

GailSpaceWynand · Oct 8, 2016

Schmiznurf said:
I would do the same, ideally Mkhi would be in place of Lingard but he might not be ready come the match.

IMO, Mkhi should start. I know this is a high octane game and all, but Mkhi has had a long break (no internationals) and has had time to recover. His pace and teamplay will be key as I don't believe Mourinho will start Mata against a counter-press team like Liverpool.

Schmiznurf · Oct 8, 2016

GailWynand said:
I think the humiliation aspect of losing to Liverpool is a big factor. There is unwonted fear amongst us, kind of like Arsenal fans were last week when Spurs beat City - one of them told me it's nothing to worry about since the only way Spurs can finish above Arsenal is by winning the title (Totteringham day or something)! Being on top of the perch for so long, United fans are for the first time in many years, wary of Liverpool. As for me, I am kinda happy these scousers now don't have time to be bitter like in recent times (read: 20+ years) and actually engage in ~~witty~~ banter.

I wouldn't be hiuiliated by Liverpool, we lost to Watford, hard to go lower than that :lol:

GailWynand said:
IMO, Mkhi should start. I know this is a high octane game and all, but Mkhi has a long break (no internationals) and has had time to recover. His pace and teamplay will be key as I don't believe Mourinho will start Mata against a counter-press team like Liverpool.

Yeah, if he is 100%, and he should be, he could be a key factor in breaking them down and getting us the win.

GailSpaceWynand · Oct 8, 2016

Schmiznurf said:
I wouldn't be hiuiliated by Liverpool, we lost to Watford, hard to go lower than that

A handful of Watford fans (who broke a 30yr old record btw) won't be as loud as a couple of noisy scousers after a win over United! It's personal when it's Liverpool, mate.

DenisIrwin · Oct 8, 2016

Encouragement to be taken from http://www.fourfourtwo.com/news/pos...league-best-stats-klopps-first-year-liverpool

LFC under Klopp have only taken 31 points from their 17 home fixtures. Their passing accuracy and interceptions stats are poor.

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