Based on him not being a very good player and Liverpool will capitalise on the many mistakes he makes.
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Liverpool 0:0 Manchester United
Anfield
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- Mon, 17 October 2016 @ 8:00pm BST
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I'm confident we'll hammer them.
De Gea
Valencia - Smalling - Bailly - Blind
Fellaini - Pogba
Mkhitaryan - Mata - Martial
Zlatan
It takes one of us being in a fairly bad place for a hammering to take place in these matches. Neither of us is looking very catastrophic at the moment so I'd say the chances of either side hammering the other are slim at best.
It'll be tight either way, possibly 1-0 or 2-1. A draw wouldn't surprise me.
I also find it odd that any United fan would leave Herrera out for this game. You're asking for trouble with a midfield two of Pogba and Fellaini.
Not really. A lot of unexpected "hammerings" take place. The 6-1 against City comes to mind.
Fellaini will roughen up your weak midfielders. Lucas is probably your most physical midfielder and he's unlikely to play. I fancy Fellaini to dominate Henderson/Lallana/Wijanaldum to be honest. He always has a good game against you's
I was referring to Liverpool vs United games specifically. We've been miles behind you over the years but still managed to make most of your visits to Anfield difficult. I think the 14/15 game was the first time in years that a United side came to Anfield and completely outplayed us.
I think a midfield of Fellaini and Pogba lacks discipline defensively and would leave you vulnerable defensively to the likes of Coutinho, Firmino and Mane. Herrera is an intelligent midfielder and from what I've seen allows Pogba more freedom. I think we'd struggle more against that than what Fellaini offers.
So you wouldn't be worried at all about the height and physicality that Fellaini brings, against your light-weight midfielders? Fellaini has barely put a foot wrong this season. Herrera is a good player but I think he would be better coming off the bench in this one. We need to start with a strong, physical side who will break up play and bring the fight.
I fancy Mkhitaryan to have an excellent game here, if he starts.
Liverpool's so called "light-weight" midfielders will tear us several new ones if Fellaini is used as an anchor protecting the back 4. We will have to be very mobile to contain them before hitting back on a counter or from a set piece. You can use the Belgian against teams that will try to bully us physically, however, Liverpool will play Fast football, moving both the ball and their players quickly. Marouane is not suitable to play successfully in such a game imo.
I'm not worried about Henderson, Lallana and Wijnaldum to be honest. They had a good result against Chelsea, I'll give them that. But their fans are overexaggerating over the wins against Arsenal and Leicester. Arsenal are known to be bottlers and Leicester are... lets be honest... Leicester.
We lost against Watford. They lost against Burnley. The only reason they haven't got two losses this season is because they haven't gone up against Pep yet. Besides that, they haven't been better than us this season.I wouldn't be surprised to see Fellani play and wouldn't mind it....in a midfield three with Ander and Pogba.
Anything else and that would be a bad idea.If I was Mourinho I'd look to try and match the press, Martial and Rashford on the wings, energy and movement all over, sure theres a danger we could pick you off but youre also more than likely to score a couple to even it out. Our midfield with Henderson Wijnaldum Lallana/Coutinho has been a lot more fluid this season and sitting back hasnt worked for any side bar Burnley, where we attempted to replicate what Mane brings to the side with Sturridge out wide which was a complete disaster.
However the fact its an international break means less training time, so I doubt he'll look to do that as without the sufficient hard yards you'll be gassed by 60mins. For once this game being on a Monday helps as both Coutinho and Firmino play in venezuela the Wed beforehand so they wouldnt be back till late thurs/early friday morning, if we was the early kickoff on a saturday we would have been majorly fecked. Apart from the Swansea game we've been quite good at restricting the amount of open play chances against us, we have one of the best defensive records in the league for it, unfortunately an under 11's team could probably find a way to score past us on set-pieces, its a major weakness, and also why we so often concede from the first shot on target despite the opponent having very few actual gilt-edged chances.I agree. I would play with a front three of Martial, Rashford and Lingard with a midfield three of Blind-Herrera and Pogba. We can play our game but when they have the ball have the boys up top harass the shit out of their midfielders and CBs.Not only should Fellaini not start this game, he should not start another game for us while Herrera is fit.We might go with a 4-3-3 with a midfield of Herrera, Fellaini and Pogba, and Martial and Rashford on the wings. I still don't get why Carrick has been sidelined to the extent he has been. Still one of the best midfielders in the club when playing well.Think that we'll be crushed by the Scouse on my wedding b'day.... (what a gift)
If Mourinho plays his 4-2-3-1, we'll loose for sure. We'll have too many of their players in there as their main strength is the transition when the get the ball back.
They can have 5/6 players in these areas (Firminho, Mane, Coutinho, Sturridge, Henderson) against only Pogba and Herrera.
We HAVE to play 4-3-3 like we did against City.
An other must for this game, we'll have to be ready to match their tempo. Whether we'll be deep defending or even chasing them when they have the ball, we must be top when we get the ball.
Our wingers will have to defend but also be able to beat their mens in one vs one whether it's Can or Clyne at right or Milner left, I really think that we can beat them on individuals.
Hopefully our players will be back fit and rested for this monday night game.
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Valencia---------------------Bailly------------Blind----------------------------Shaw
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-----------------------------Herrera----------Pogba---------------------------------
Mkhitaryan---------------------------Ibra-------------------------------------Martial
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Coutinho----------------------------Firminho-----------------------------------Mané
----------------------------Henderson------Wijnaldum-------------------------------
Milner-----------------------Lovren---------Matip------------------------------Clyne
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Based on what?
More likely we will get hammered by Pool. I am putting £50 each on us losing 1-3, 1-4 and 1-5
Don't turn this forum into a house of lies.
I think we will go with a similar plan to how we played the derby. They have one of the worst defensive set piece records, we are struggling to score a lot of goals from open play, I can def see free kicks and corners to Fellaini, Smalling, Pogba and ibra being our main tactic.
Other than that I think it'll be a typical Mourinho away performance, we'll defend deep, try to take the sting out of their fans (Monday night at Anfield) by not taking any chances in the first 20 minutes or so.
José is smart enough to have seen how well they press, our defenders and midfield will be told not to risk getting caught on the ball. It might not be pretty but direct long ball to our big men to hopefully feed the pace of Rashford and Martial out wide can hurt Liverpool who are vulnerable to quick transitions as their full backs push so far forward.
Mourinho's head to head record against the big teams is still excellent, and away performances like this when all the expectation and hype is about the opposition, they're his speciality.
Us and the draw at 5/6 looks generous, judging by the performance of Karius against Swansea we'll have a plan to attack him on set pieces, can def see us scoring a couple.
Playing Fellaini would be the worst idea ever.
He would be a feast for Coutinho Firmhino and Widnajium who will bypass him with thier speed
I would love to know where this confidence stems from?My biggest issue with Fellaini playing isn't that I think he's bad, it's that with the ball at his feet he's clumsy and ponderous, and that's exactly the type of player that Klopp's ultra-pressing tactics are going to love. Exactly the same with Rooney, eh doesn't seem to realise he's got the ball until he's already lost it half the time, and against 'pool he'll lose it quicker than usual. Fellaini has had good games this season, but for me his weaknesses would be highlighted by Liverpool.Liverpool can struggle against the lesser teams who set up to park the bus and nullify their pressing system, so they may find this one difficult.
All joking aside, all signs point to a Liverpool win. If the past has told us anything, it means that United will probably sneak it.Jeez I completely forgot that Liverpool has also beaten Arsenal away during the opening day. So they have won away at Arsenal, City, Chelsea and a point at Spurs. Christ! So this leaves us as the only big team left...if we lose to Liverpool, they would have taken 13 points out of 15 in the top 6. Feck me.
We've yet to play City this season.Jeez I completely forgot that Liverpool has also beaten Arsenal away during the opening day. So they have won away at Arsenal, City, Chelsea and a point at Spurs. Christ! So this leaves us as the only big team left...if we lose to Liverpool, they would have taken 13 points out of 15 in the top 6. Feck me.
Whats wrong with picking the same team we played against Stoke,we played some good stuff,finishing and some goal keeper heroics let us down on the day ?
I'd go with that.Jeez I completely forgot that Liverpool has also beaten Arsenal away during the opening day. So they have won away at Arsenal, City, Chelsea and a point at Spurs. Christ! So this leaves us as the only big team left...if we lose to Liverpool, they would have taken 13 points out of 15 in the top 6. Feck me.
LFC will start off as favourites for the game. No doubt about it.
Is this based on logic or the same mentality which saw some people predict that Falcao will become the best striker in the World (this was said many times when Falcao was with us) or that Rooney will score a hattrick (this too has been mentioned several times in recent weeks).
If anyone gets hammered, it will likely be us.
However, if we win, I suspect it will be 1-0. We can win the game, but we will need to play extremely negative football, which will result in LFC dominating the game, but MUFC scoring a lucky goal.
At this moment in time, LFC are the better team. Even the most deluded MUFC fan cannot refute this.Re: the Arsenal/Liverpool game..
We had a 20 year old making his Premier League debut at centre half with Calum Chambers, no Özil and a Cazorla struggling for fitness who could only play 30 minutes. By and large, they had their strongest team.
I'd warrant a guess that game would have went differently should Mustafi and Koscielny have played, let alone Ozil. Regardless, they did well on the day and exploited our weaknesses so fair play to them.I see two ways of playing this game. Either we continue doing what worked for us in last two games but try to improve our pressing higher up the pitch. Or we go with this lineup which I feel would work well against the current liverpool side. We'll never see this though.
Valencia --- Bailly --- Smalling --- Blind
---------------Carrick----------------
--- Pogba ------------- Fellaini ---
-- Rashford -------- Zlatan ---------Martial---I don't understand why so many people would start Miki, surely this is not the game to be bringing him into, and I would be surprised if he is. As many others have said, proper 3 man midfield with Pogba, Herrera and Carrick/Schneiderlin please. Basically same team as Sunday but take out Mata/Lingard for DM, bit harsh considering they both did well but needs must.Please god don't let it be Clattenberg
We had Klavan, Moreno and Mignolet playing. So our second choice defence, basically.
That Arsenal team were atrocious though, they really were. Any team in the upper echelons of the league would have beaten them that day.
They had a pre-season to prepare for that game just like we did.
Besides, on paper, their midfield and attack was definitely competitive.
They also had Oxlade-Chamberlain, Gibbs, Wilshere, Cazorla and Xhaka on the bench.
Plus one of the so called weaker players Chambers did score one of their goals.
They chose not play Koscielny but I guess that is down to Wenger.
I agree they were poor but it was the first game of the season and we weren't exactly at full strength either.
You could also argue playing teams like West Ham & Stoke at the moment in theory is a good time to play them given you wouldn't have either as being in the bottom 3.Last edited:
This is the biggest worry for me.
Except Liverpool are not the better team. They have a squad full of midtable players and lets not forget that they lost to Burnley. I see no reason why we can't destroy them when we destroyed Leicester who have the better players.
Leicester winning the league last year was an anomaly, they were 5000/1 ffs! How often are the bookies wrong?
It says more about the incompetence , lack of desire and mismanagement of the top clubs than it does about Leicester.
Give credit to the dippers?
Sorry mate not in my DNA.
That's the thing, in a midfield three, those players wouldn't have the chance to square up or have that much space to fly past Fellani. In those 5-10 yards pockets of spaces, I would say that's where Fellani is at his most effective. He can break up play with his size and on the ball he has good technique receiving the ball to feet and is able to protect the ball in tight spaces. His problems right now is when the play is expansive/end-to-end, both on and off the ball. Not enough impetus on the ball and caught out positionally when off it. To give him benefit of the doubt though, all our midfielders are guilty of that in a midfield two.
He has his weaknesses but he's not a player lacking in effort and fire. I'd say he would do well as one of/or the deepest player against a Liverpool that would be looking to be on the front foot against us in a midfield three. All he has to do is be the busy body he is and play the ball to Herrera and Pogba.
Mata in front of Herrera/Pogba would be bit of a weak spine, Carrick hasn't got the legs or match rhythm and I don't think Mourinho trusts Schneiderlin enough at this point. However, having said that about Mata, he's knows the spirit needed to be shown against Liverpool and his composure/experience against them would help us massively. Also who knows, both Mata and a fully rested Schneiderlin (both not on international duty iirc) could play a part in Mourinho's selection.Same team as stoke, maybe play martial instead of Lingard. Keep Henrikh on the bench. We will destroy them. I think we will be great after the international break.- Status
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- Man Utd win
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Detailed Results
- 19% Liverpool 1:2 Man Utd
- 10% Liverpool 3:1 Man Utd
- 9% Liverpool 2:1 Man Utd
- 9% Liverpool 1:1 Man Utd
- 8% Liverpool 2:2 Man Utd
- 7% Liverpool 2:0 Man Utd
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- 3% Liverpool 2:3 Man Utd
- 3% Liverpool 0:0 Man Utd
- 2% Liverpool 0:3 Man Utd
- 2% Liverpool 5:0 Man Utd
- 1% Liverpool 0:5 Man Utd
- 1% Liverpool 3:2 Man Utd
- 1% Liverpool 4:1 Man Utd
- 1% Liverpool 4:0 Man Utd
- 1% Liverpool 2:4 Man Utd
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- 0% Liverpool 3:3 Man Utd
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Match Stats
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- Man Utd
- Possession
- 65% 35%
- Shots
- 9 7
- Shots on Target
- 3 1
- Corners
- 3 1
- Fouls
- 14 20
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