Champions League Group A

Galatasaray 3:3 Manchester United

Rams Park

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Wed, 29 November 2023 @ 5:45pm GMT
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    Big Andy said:
    in 99, the last group game was so obviously played for a draw to get us both through, and look how that bit them in the arse.
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    That's interesting. Tbh it's been like 25 years so I can't remember anything. Do you know why? My bet is they thought we're not as good as some Italian club?
     
    Strelok said:
    That's interesting. Tbh it's been like 25 years so I can't remember anything. Do you know why? My bet is they thought we're not as good as some Italian club?
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    LVG's Barcelona was in the group. LVG with his Ajax triumph and another final gave him a huge reputation back in the days.

    Bayern wanted to eliminate a big threat. Ottmar Hitzfeld had beat us on the way to get his Dortmund the CL couple seasons back, so they might have been overconfident about taking care of us themselves at a later time.
     
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    ti vu said:
    LVG's Barcelona was in the group. LVG with his Ajax triumph and another final gave him a huge reputation back in the days.

    Bayern wanted to eliminate a big threat, where Ottmar Hitzfeld had beat us on the way to get his Dortmund the CL couple seasons back, so they might have been more confident.
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    I see thanks for the info.
     
    ti vu said:
    LVG's Barcelona was in the group. LVG with his Ajax triumph and another final gave him a huge reputation back in the days.

    Bayern wanted to eliminate a big threat. Ottmar Hitzfeld had beat us on the way to get his Dortmund the CL couple seasons back, so they might have been overconfident about taking care of us themselves at a later time.
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    Bayern 10 points
    United 9
    Barcelona 5

    That was the table after five matchdays - so Barcelona was already out, Bayern and United were through when they met. Truth is, that match didn't matter that much for both teams.
     
    Am I the only one that finds out game kick off times through the match day threads alone? So glad I checked this one.
     
    Mad that we’ll have had Everton’s 10pt deduction bear pit, a classic welcome to hell game and then Newcastle away on Sunday. Three very hostile atmospheres on the bounce.
     
    stefan92 said:
    Bayern 10 points
    United 9
    Barcelona 5

    That was the table after five matchdays - so Barcelona was already out, Bayern and United were through when they met. Truth is, that match didn't matter that much for both teams.
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    Nope, only the top team in the group qualified so United needed to ensure they were one of the best placed 2nd teams. We were far from already through, and it was an incredible nervy evening.
     
    Offside said:
    Nope, only the top team in the group qualified so United needed to ensure they were one of the best placed 2nd teams. We were far from already through, and it was an incredible nervy evening.
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    Oh right, completely forgot about that rule
     
    Midfield concerns me in this game. The intensity and pressure of the environment is likely to spur Gala' on and the likelihood we're going to have to earn the right to play is very high, imo. What this means for us is actually playing the ball around in midfield is a must - everything cannot be verticle or ill-considered because it just invites wave after wave of attacks coming back at us.

    Mainoo is definitely going to start this game. My concern is who goes next to him and how well they handle the occasion because they need to show for the ball and be a strong foundational support. In essence, they should be the leading hand next to the 18-year old and not taking their cue from him, which is what I believe will happen regardless.

    I do think McTominay will get the nod over Amrabat as ten Hag likes to match aggression and energy with aggression and energy, which is what McTominay will be expected to deliver.

    There can be none of this excessively low touches of the ball business. Actually, let me rephrase: if the touches are low then there has to be a large number of solid ball carries to compensate, so even if McTominay isn't doing well in passing chains or touch progression, he needs to be juggernauting up the pitch and stretching the opposition in that way whilst mentally conditioning them to the threat of him taking off, which would naturally drag bodies into his vicinity to snuff before he can pick up a head of steam, once he has them trailing, it's imperative he can release the ball - absolutely nothing fancy, just a short pass to another red shirt, please. On the other side of the ball, he needs to make a nuisance of himself. Positionally he is poor, but he should at least get himself in the thick of the action and be an obstacle rather than a traffic cone.

    McTominay has a terrible penchant for ball-watching and letting players run off him. That can't be fixed, but instead of ball-watching, at least go toward it and be useful in some kind of press or pressuring sense.

    If we can get a foothold in midfield, I believe we can win this game. Zaha was going to be a major concern up against Dalot, but with AWB, it gives us more opportunity to play our game rather than catering to theirs, as what was previously going to be a collective effort to stop Zaha now becomes a 1on1 that AWB is very capable of winning outright and pushing Zaha back.

    Have been loathe to put up formations and line ups this season, but I'll go:

    ------------------------------------------------------Onana
    ---------------------------------------Maguire--------------Lindelof
    Wan Bissaka------------------------------------------------------------------Shaw
    --------------------------------------------------Mainoo
    ----------------------------McTominay------------------Bruno
    Hojlund-----------------------------------Martial------------------Rashford/Garnacho

    Martial and Bruno have the best link-up of any forward-midfield combination. Martial is there for the interplay, but he also enables Bruno to work himself into threatening positions with his runs away from the ball or subtle switches from hold-up to to transitional. Pace down both flanks to keep them honest and also keep that threat of the counter constant to force them to take their defensive line deep.

    The game is won and lost in midfield, for me and I think McTominay has a crucial role to play in that one way or another as his is the side to attack in the pocket of space between AWB and Mainoo if he's not doing the work we need him to do.

    This is a more than winnable game, so long as we keep our nerve.
     
    I hope ETH starts with AWB against Zaha. Dalot has his moments but this is a game for AWB.
     
    I think we’ll lose, but at least I’m looking forward to our games again, mainly to see Mainoo.

    Hopefully he starts with Amrabat too... he's not very good, but at least he's a midfielder, unlike Mctominay.
     
    United have made a meal out of qualifying all campaign, and I can't see it being any different tonight.

    I feel playing 3 very attacking forwards and Bruno is not the best way to go in the away CL games...a more pragmatic disciplined performance would be nice! But United are still trying to settle on a Plan A so we can't expect them to suddenly have a Plan B ready to go.

    So let's just hope the chaotic approach can outscore them and Onana/Maguire continue their good form.
     
    Woodzy said:
    Am I the only one that finds out game kick off times through the match day threads alone? So glad I checked this one.
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    If I hadn't seen your comment, I think I would have missed it at the top of the page too!
     
    Onana
    Wan-Bissaka Maguire Lindelöf Shaw
    Mainoo McTominay
    Pellistri Bruno Garnacho
    Martial    ​

    Do it, Erik.
    We will win.
     
    First genuine real "test" of the season this one, essentially is an away knock out game in a very hostile stadium. I felt good before Everton and think it will be a better all round performance and similar result today.
     
    tomaldinho1 said:
    First genuine real "test" of the season this one, essentially is an away knock out game in a very hostile stadium. I felt good before Everton and think it will be a better all round performance and similar result today.
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    Wait what? Everton away wasnt a real test????
     
    IRN-BRUno said:
    Any predictions for the minute we concede a penalty?
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    As the player walk out the ref will blow and point to the spot, this is fair as it gets it out the way early and was agreed by the coaches before kick off.
     
    Fortitude said:
    Midfield concerns me in this game. The intensity and pressure of the environment is likely to spur Gala' on and the likelihood we're going to have to earn the right to play is very high, imo. What this means for us is actually playing the ball around in midfield is a must - everything cannot be verticle or ill-considered because it just invites wave after wave of attacks coming back at us.

    Mainoo is definitely going to start this game. My concern is who goes next to him and how well they handle the occasion because they need to show for the ball and be a strong foundational support. In essence, they should be the leading hand next to the 18-year old and not taking their cue from him, which is what I believe will happen regardless.

    I do think McTominay will get the nod over Amrabat as ten Hag likes to match aggression and energy with aggression and energy, which is what McTominay will be expected to deliver.

    There can be none of this excessively low touches of the ball business. Actually, let me rephrase: if the touches are low then there has to be a large number of solid ball carries to compensate, so even if McTominay isn't doing well in passing chains or touch progression, he needs to be juggernauting up the pitch and stretching the opposition in that way whilst mentally conditioning them to the threat of him taking off, which would naturally drag bodies into his vicinity to snuff before he can pick up a head of steam, once he has them trailing, it's imperative he can release the ball - absolutely nothing fancy, just a short pass to another red shirt, please. On the other side of the ball, he needs to make a nuisance of himself. Positionally he is poor, but he should at least get himself in the thick of the action and be an obstacle rather than a traffic cone.

    McTominay has a terrible penchant for ball-watching and letting players run off him. That can't be fixed, but instead of ball-watching, at least go toward it and be useful in some kind of press or pressuring sense.

    If we can get a foothold in midfield, I believe we can win this game. Zaha was going to be a major concern up against Dalot, but with AWB, it gives us more opportunity to play our game rather than catering to theirs, as what was previously going to be a collective effort to stop Zaha now becomes a 1on1 that AWB is very capable of winning outright and pushing Zaha back.

    Have been loathe to put up formations and line ups this season, but I'll go:

    ------------------------------------------------------Onana
    ---------------------------------------Maguire--------------Lindelof
    Wan Bissaka------------------------------------------------------------------Shaw
    --------------------------------------------------Mainoo
    ----------------------------McTominay------------------Bruno
    Hojlund-----------------------------------Martial------------------Rashford/Garnacho

    Martial and Bruno have the best link-up of any forward-midfield combination. Martial is there for the interplay, but he also enables Bruno to work himself into threatening positions with his runs away from the ball or subtle switches from hold-up to to transitional. Pace down both flanks to keep them honest and also keep that threat of the counter constant to force them to take their defensive line deep.

    The game is won and lost in midfield, for me and I think McTominay has a crucial role to play in that one way or another as his is the side to attack in the pocket of space between AWB and Mainoo if he's not doing the work we need him to do.

    This is a more than winnable game, so long as we keep our nerve.
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    Rashford is suspended
     
    Martial is going to start to put him on the bench after that Everton game is gonna kill his confidence fully Ten Hag has to be smart here.
     
    If Højlund isn|t fully fit, and with Rashford out, it's not like we have many other options up front, but sadly I can't imagine many scenarios where Martial is going to be a success away against Galatasaray. They will be going at us hard.
     
    Seen loads of stuff online about the rain being horrendous all day. Hopefully they have good drainage. Maybe it’ll lessen the atmosphere a bit too.
     
    Well ... I did a bet on the Everton game last weekend, it was as follows.

    Rashford - goal or assist

    Bruno - goal or assist

    Martial to score anytime

    United to win.

    A tenner at 13's so that Bruno pass to Martial was lovely :)

    So if Martial starts tonight, I think for good luck I will do the same bet.
     
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130,43,16
  • Man Utd win
  • Galatasaray win
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Detailed Results

  • 31% Galatasaray 1:2 Man Utd
  • 13% Galatasaray 0:2 Man Utd
  • 11% Galatasaray 1:3 Man Utd
  • 9% Galatasaray 2:1 Man Utd
  • 6% Galatasaray 0:1 Man Utd
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  • 5% Galatasaray 2:0 Man Utd
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  • 3% Galatasaray 2:3 Man Utd
  • 3% Galatasaray 0:3 Man Utd
  • 3% Galatasaray 3:0 Man Utd
  • 3% Galatasaray 2:2 Man Utd
  • 1% Galatasaray 3:2 Man Utd
  • 1% Galatasaray 1:0 Man Utd
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  • 1% Galatasaray 2:4 Man Utd
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  • 1% Galatasaray 0:5 Man Utd
  • 1% Galatasaray 4:1 Man Utd
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  1. Galatasaray
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Possession
58% 42%
Shots
16 17
Shots on Target
8 4
Corners
5 3
Fouls
15 18

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