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    I'd like to see:

    DDG
    Dalot Varane Lindelof (If fit) Shaw
    Matic
    Fernandes Mctom
    Sancho__________Pogba
    Ronaldo
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    That's hard work in midfield and tons of creativity there for Ronaldo
     
    Matic is bound to play, because he's tall.
     
    Glorio said:
    Did you watch the whole game vs Boro? I ask because we had a lot more chances than you appear to have seen.

    Sancho hitting the bar, Bruno's wild follow up, Ronaldo's overhead, Rashford from Sancho's cross, Bruno's open net, Ronaldo's pen, Rashford's off side goal, Ronaldo straight at the keeper (I believe twice?), Elanga free header right in front of goal, Fred's wild attempt at the edge of the box - all this is straight off the top of my head btw. I'm sure I'm missing a good few - we created an absolute glut of chances and on another day, it would have been one of our historic pastings. It's so annoying we ended up losing our way in a game where we've had our best performance in a very large long time, as now we'll have to contend with conclusions like yours, when in all honesty, there's steady progress that we're beginning to see.

    If we play how we played versus Boro but players actually bring their shooting boots to play this time, the game will be done and dusted by half time.
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    It’s time we move on from the calamity v boro but I’d like to point out that those chances as not actually being all that glorious.

    When Sancho hit the crossbar it was an attempted chip from outside the box. Hardly nailed on to score.

    The Ronaldo overhead was well inside inside the box, but an overhead attempt is never considered a glorious chance.

    Elanga had a free header but he was positioned too wide to beat the keeper. (Not a criticism.)

    Ronaldo had a penalty, which was rightly awarded, but he missed the penalty. That plus the actual goal by Sancho and the open net miss by Bruno were the only chances one can argue we truly should have scored on. Even the Sancho goal, which was in point blank range, required a big deflection to beat the keeper.

    It’s important to nip in the bud the mythology that we performed brilliantly against boro. We actually didn’t. We did enough to win, and we were robbed by a horrifying referee decision, but that was in no way a brilliant performance.
     
    Telles and Fred out. Brilliant !! We have 6 games this month.

    Can't believe our luck!!
     
    Burnley made the most Burnley signing of the season in Weghorst.

    I smell a one goal win for Burnley, with Weghorst scoring. He will do nothing for the rest of the season, Burnley will be relegated and he will show up in the Champion's League in a couple of years with some random team.
     
    lex talionis said:
    It’s time we move on from the calamity v boro but I’d like to point out that those chances as not actually being all that glorious.

    When Sancho hit the crossbar it was an attempted chip from outside the box. Hardly nailed on to score.

    The Ronaldo overhead was well inside inside the box, but an overhead attempt is never considered a glorious chance.

    Elanga had a free header but he was positioned too wide to beat the keeper. (Not a criticism.)

    Ronaldo had a penalty, which was rightly awarded, but he missed the penalty. That plus the actual goal by Sancho and the open net miss by Bruno were the only chances one can argue we truly should have scored on. Even the Sancho goal, which was in point blank range, required a big deflection to beat the keeper.

    It’s important to nip in the bud the mythology that we performed brilliantly against boro. We actually didn’t. We did enough to win, and we were robbed by a horrifying referee decision, but that was in no way a brilliant performance.
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    You are a hard man to please my friend. 30 shots and 22 in the box not good enough for you?

    Don't get me wrong, we faded badly after Pogba went off and Sancho was knackered, before then though, I thought we were brilliant.
     
    Oranges038 said:
    Burnley made the most Burnley signing of the season in Weghorst.

    I smell a one goal win for Burnley, with Weghorst scoring. He will do nothing for the rest of the season, Burnley will be relegated and he will show up in the Champion's League in a couple of years with some random team.
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    In the absence of any other PL football I watched the entirety of the Burnley v Watford game which has to count as one of the most stupifyingly boring experiences of my life. I would have to say that as has been obvious for much of this season, Burnley are completely finished as a team and are many levels below Boro for example. Weghorst, who looked pretty crap on international duty, is truly the slowest and least skillful carthorse to grace the PL in many years. On the evidence of his first game he would make Maguire look like Linford Christie and I would not be at all surprised if he fails to score a single goal before May, he even looked awful in the air.

    Of course we may well feck this up because that is the theme of our season but this mob are nailed on for relegation and play like they know it.
     
    Devil may care said:
    I think Rangnick will keep Rashford on the RW to prevent him constantly cutting in to shoot, personally right now I'd start Sancho RW and Elanga LW and use Marcus as an impact sub, but I'm not sure politically if Rangnick can do that.
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    I agree. I personally think Elanga started on the bench because he is a more natural 9 than Rashford. And we needed one on the bench in case we lost CR7

    Ill be surprised if he keeps his place with Cavani back.
     
    Great improvement last game. Can’t deny it even though the finishing was poor. I always figured finishing could be the last to come when rebuilding. This time we’ll hit it. Go on, guys. Gutted I’m at work for this one
     
    Ali Dia said:
    Hopefully we go with Elanga and Sancho on the wings but have a feeling Pogba will get a run on the left with Bruno McT and Matic through the middle.
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    I highly doubt that Pogba will ever play on the wings for RR. That’s a failed experiment under Ole and should never be tried again. He will compete either with Fred or Bruno.

    We will play two out of Sancho, Rashford or Elanga on the wings. And if Ronaldo keeps stinking it up, all three of them will be starting with Ronaldo on the bench. I get a strong feeling that the manager doesn’t give a feck about big names and shite performances from big name players is only making it easier for them to be dropped.
     
    RedCurry said:
    I highly doubt that Pogba will ever play on the wings for RR. That’s a failed experiment under Ole and should never be tried again. He will compete either with Fred or Bruno.

    We will play two out of Sancho, Rashford or Elanga on the wings. And if Ronaldo keeps stinking it up, all three of them will be starting with Ronaldo on the bench. I get a strong feeling that the manager doesn’t give a feck about big names and shite performances from big name players is only making it easier for them to be dropped.
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    I actually liked pogba on the left wing, by the end of last season anything was better than Rashford. but in a gung-ho setup like the start of this season he’s still just too languid. I’m intrigued to see if Ralf can get him pressing in a unit and if that will have any noticeable knock on effect with his overall game. I really hope elanga can keep his place. This team still badly needs runners and pressers, especially if he keeps playing Ronaldo

    Ps : thanks for helping make up my mind on what to cook for dinner later :drool:
     
    Gandalf said:
    In the absence of any other PL football I watched the entirety of the Burnley v Watford game which has to count as one of the most stupifyingly boring experiences of my life. I would have to say that as has been obvious for much of this season, Burnley are completely finished as a team and are many levels below Boro for example. Weghorst, who looked pretty crap on international duty, is truly the slowest and least skillful carthorse to grace the PL in many years. On the evidence of his first game he would make Maguire look like Linford Christie and I would not be at all surprised if he fails to score a single goal before May, he even looked awful in the air.

    Of course we may well feck this up because that is the theme of our season but this mob are nailed on for relegation and play like they know it.
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    Oh he's shite and they are.

    Just get that Afonso Alves feeling every now and again. Do nothing, score against Utd, do nothing, disapear.
     
    Ali Dia said:
    I actually liked pogba on the left wing, by the end of last season anything was better than Rashford. but in a gung-ho setup like the start of this season he’s still just too languid. I’m intrigued to see if Ralf can get him pressing in a unit and if that will have any noticeable knock on effect with his overall game. I really hope elanga can keep his place. This team still badly needs runners and pressers, especially if he keeps playing Ronaldo

    Ps : thanks for helping make up my mind on what to cook for dinner later :drool:
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    :D

    Red Caf poster gives you wings?
     
    Super exciting times; will we see progress and a strong performance from RR and the lads, or another embarrassing stumble...

    I for one, am on tenterhooks.

    Seriously though, I'm expecting a strong response after the Middlesbrough result, with a convincing win and goals taken with aplomb!
     
    lex talionis said:
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    It’s important to nip in the bud the mythology that we performed brilliantly against boro. We actually didn’t. .....
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    rather what's it important to get rid of this ridiculous notion we didn't have a top performance vs boro. All that lacked were the goals due to strangely rubbish finishing. Not the performance. We should have hit them for 7
     
    Red Indian Chief Torn Rubber said:
    rather what's it important to get rid of this ridiculous notion we didn't have a top performance vs boro. All that lacked were the goals due to strangely rubbish finishing. Not the performance. We should have hit them for 7
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    Surely this must be a parody post. If so, well done. But if this is a serious post, oh my.

    First, finishing is a crucial element of scoring. You can create all kinds of glorious chances (very few of our chances were actually all that glorious) but if you can't finish you can't score, and if you can't score more than one goal in 120 minutes against a Championship side (that's not even a good bet for promotion) it can't be said that it was a "top performance".

    But even if you put the lack of finishing aside, the chances that we did create were far from clear cut. Sancho's chip was a punt of a chance and not a chance anyone would say should be finished most of the time. Ronaldo had the beautiful overhead shot, but overhead shots are rarely ever scored.

    Bruno did have the glorious chance on an open net and we all know what happened. Praise is deserved for the pressure on the back line that led to the chance, but at the end of the day missing on an open net cannot be included as evidence of a "top performance".

    The missed penalty is what it is, and praise is warranted for Pogba drawing the foul in the box. But again, missing a penalty kick cannot in any way be submitted as Exhibit A for the defense against the charge that we actually did not put in a "top performance".

    The goal against us that was wrongly allowed was the result of poor defensive awareness and reaction. The failure to keep a clean sheet against a midtable Championship side should never be described as part of a "top performance". Boro had another chance, a half chance to be fair, but they did have us on the back foot for a while in the second half and great concern was expressed on the match day thread that Manchester United might be turned over by Middlesbrough in the 90 minutes of normal time.

    Was our performance better than our recent performances? Yes. Was our opposition weaker than most of our recent opponents? Yes. But was it a "top performance"? Not a chance. If we put in a similar performance against Burnley they'll butcher us.
     
    lex talionis said:
    It’s time we move on from the calamity v boro but I’d like to point out that those chances as not actually being all that glorious.

    When Sancho hit the crossbar it was an attempted chip from outside the box. Hardly nailed on to score.

    The Ronaldo overhead was well inside inside the box, but an overhead attempt is never considered a glorious chance.

    Elanga had a free header but he was positioned too wide to beat the keeper. (Not a criticism.)

    Ronaldo had a penalty, which was rightly awarded, but he missed the penalty. That plus the actual goal by Sancho and the open net miss by Bruno were the only chances one can argue we truly should have scored on. Even the Sancho goal, which was in point blank range, required a big deflection to beat the keeper.

    It’s important to nip in the bud the mythology that we performed brilliantly against boro. We actually didn’t. We did enough to win, and we were robbed by a horrifying referee decision, but that was in no way a brilliant performance.
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    We had 4.2 xG created in that game which is really good tbf (Boro had 1.5). Think we only surpassed it in 9-0 Southampton last season over the past few years. Liverpool against us earlier this season was 4.05 - 1.36 for example. A 5-0 win, or 6-1 win were easily possible in fact more likely than a 1-1 draw based on chances.

    The reason people can look at it with some optimism is because finishing is flukey, whereas creating chances and preventing them is what the general team play/coaching/systems do. Room to improve still, but it was just poor execution in front of goal (and we've generally been dead on with xG this season, so it's not like underperforming finishing is a norm for us).
     
    lex talionis said:
    Surely this must be a parody post. If so, well done. But if this is a serious post, oh my.
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    Why am I not surprised about what is lost on you about that game...

    lex talionis said:
    First, finishing is a crucial element of scoring. You can create all kinds of glorious chances (very few of our chances were actually all that glorious) but if you can't finish you can't score, and if you can't score more than one goal in 120 minutes against a Championship side (that's not even a good bet for promotion) it can't be said that it was a "top performance".
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    This is just a nonsense argument. The fact United missed so many clear cut chances due to shocking finishing is an obvious anomaly. Its not hard to understand! CR7 missed the entire goal from the penalty spot for crying out loud. Which he probably hasn't done his entire career.......

    lex talionis said:
    But even if you put the lack of finishing aside, the chances that we did create were far from clear cut......
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    This is factually and objectively incorrect. Whoscored.com confirmed after that match United missed 7 clear cut chances over the 90 minutes of normal time.


    lex talionis said:
    The goal against us that was wrongly allowed was the result of poor defensive awareness and reaction. The failure to keep a clean sheet against a midtable Championship side should never be described as part of a "top performance".....
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    Still more ridiculous arguments. Conceding one goal vs a championship side does not take a single thing a way from how you performed over all. Especially when their breaking of your clean sheet should never have stood in the first place. be serious please.....:lol:


    A number of ya'll are just letting your anger at getting knocked out cloud your judgement about what actually took place
     
    Have a very good feeling about this. We will hammer them. Our lads will want bounce back after the Boro shitshow.
     
    All strikers have something to prove after the last match, it can be a good driving force, and I think (hope) we win this one with a couple of goals.
     
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