FA Cup 4th Round

Arsenal 1:3 Manchester United

The Emirates

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Fri, 25 January 2019 @ 7:55pm GMT
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    I am looking forward to this becayse I expect us to play very well for the first 60 minutes, and with Arsenal's defense being what it is, we should be good for some goals. Just got to see if we taper off like we did in the past 2 games in the final half hour, or whether Ole can bring that consistency into our performance.
     
    “Resting” de Gea is BS. He played just 2 matches in 23 or so days, why would he need rest? If de Gea asked to be left out himself then fair enough but if it’s Ole’s decision, I feel it’s a big mistake.

    Romero is a brilliant keeper. If we can keep De Gea injury free and Romero happy with a bit part role it makes the most sense to start Romero.
     
    It is standard fare to rotate keepers in cup competitions or you risk the second choice leaving.

    In the League Cup:
    • Chelsea fielded Caballero against Liverpool and Derby before playing Kepa in the latter stages.
    • Spurs fielded Gazzaniga against Watford, West Ham, Arsenal and both legs against Chelsea.
    • Liverpool fielded Mignolet against Chelsea.
    • City fielded Muric against Oxford United, Fulham, Leicester City and both legs against Burton.
    In the FA Cup:
    • Chelsea fielded Caballero against Forest.
    • Spurs fielded Gazzaniga against Tranmere Rovers.
    • Liverpool fielded Mignolet against Wolves.
    and it'll be similar for Arsenal as well but their situation was a bit messy with Cech starting the season as first choice before Leno started playing.
     
    Its not resting De Gea, as Damien posted above, its pretty standard fare to give the 2nd choice a run in the cups

    We've done it plenty over the years too, so its not like its some new thing we are doing all of a sudden
     
    Romero is a brilliant keeper. If we can keep De Gea injury free and Romero happy with a bit part role it makes the most sense to start Romero.

    I personally don't care for keeping Romero 'happy' in this case.

    It's a big game and our best players should play. Very simple in my mind.

    Also, resting/dropping/replacing (whatever you want to call it) a completely fit (and much better) keeper to keep him 'injury free' is unheard of.

    Silly decision to play Romero, regardless of whether or not it is common practice for cup games IMO.
     
    I personally don't care for keeping Romero 'happy' in this case.

    It's a big game and our best players should play. Very simple in my mind.

    Also, resting/dropping/replacing (whatever you want to call it) a completely fit (and much better) keeper to keep him 'injury free' is unheard of.

    Silly decision to play Romero, regardless of whether or not it is common practice for cup games IMO.

    Are you new to watching football? :lol:
     
    I personally don't care for keeping Romero 'happy' in this case.

    It's a big game and our best players should play. Very simple in my mind.

    Also, resting/dropping/replacing (whatever you want to call it) a completely fit (and much better) keeper to keep him 'injury free' is unheard of.

    Silly decision to play Romero, regardless of whether or not it is common practice for cup games IMO.

    Errr, what?

    It's called rotation. We (among others) have been doing it for years.

    Sound like a child.
     
    Are you new to watching football? :lol:

    Errr, what?

    It's called rotation. We (among others) have been doing it for years.

    Sound like a child.

    What?

    Tell me an example of where a completely fit, first choice, world-class goalkeeper has been rested in an important game to keep him 'injury-free'. You don't rotate your best players, especially a goalkeeper for no reason other than 'it's a cup game, that's what everyone does'.

    It's a joke.
     
    What?

    Tell me an example of where a completely fit, first choice, world-class goalkeeper has been rested in an important game to keep him 'injury-free'. You don't rotate your best players, especially a goalkeeper for no reason other than 'it's a cup game, that's what everyone does'.

    It's a joke.

    Pretty much every top team won't start their first choice goalie in a game of less importance. Keepers don't need rest, it's clearly to keep them from getting a knock and or keeping the other keepers happy with a bit part role.

    How have you never seen this? City literally just did this during the week. Romero played the entire Europea League winning campaign :wenger:
     
    What?

    Tell me an example of where a completely fit, first choice, world-class goalkeeper has been rested in an important game to keep him 'injury-free'. You don't rotate your best players, especially a goalkeeper for no reason other than 'it's a cup game, that's what everyone does'.

    It's a joke.

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    Not to keep De Gea injury free but just part of the rotation we tend to do in cup games.

    Get used to it.
     
    Obviously, I can see peoples point in not understanding why De Gea won't start and Romero will, as it is Arsenal we are playing which is obviously a bigger challenge than say Burton who City just played.

    But, its often that 2nd choice goalkeepers get cup runs, and if Romero starts, then thats what it is. Giving the 2nd choice goalie a run in the cups. Keeps things competitive, as if he has a blinder and De Gea loses form, then you know Romero will be chomping at the bit to get a run in the team. So, its good in that sense

    Obviously, if he balls up, all you guys moaning can gloat and moan about it
     
    What?

    Tell me an example of where a completely fit, first choice, world-class goalkeeper has been rested in an important game to keep him 'injury-free'. You don't rotate your best players, especially a goalkeeper for no reason other than 'it's a cup game, that's what everyone does'.

    It's a joke.

    No, it is normal, it is your opinion that is abnormal, or the joke that you describe it.
     
    I personally don't care for keeping Romero 'happy' in this case.

    It's a big game and our best players should play. Very simple in my mind.

    Also, resting/dropping/replacing (whatever you want to call it) a completely fit (and much better) keeper to keep him 'injury free' is unheard of.

    Silly decision to play Romero, regardless of whether or not it is common practice for cup games IMO.
    Hos could you keep a goalie of Romero’s class and not let him play some important matches? It simply not possible. And how prepared would he be the day DDG is injured, if he never has been trusted to play? It’s standard procedure among all big clubs and has been for years. Some clubs even let the 2nd goalkeeper play cup finals. As example Manchester United in the Europa league final.
     
    Tell me an example of where a completely fit, first choice, world-class goalkeeper has been rested in an important game to keep him 'injury-free'. You don't rotate your best players, especially a goalkeeper for no reason other than 'it's a cup game, that's what everyone does'.

    I'm confused as to what you're expecting here. He's right, loads of top teams use their second keeper in almost all their cup games, you shouldn't really need someone to find you an example.
     
    Romero is a decent keeper but he's extremely overrated here. The only reason his mistakes aren't apparent to people is because he doesn't play that often.
     
    Another thing about resting players. The problem is not always that the there is no time for rest, but there is no time for physical training. Instead only matches and lighter training session, no gym and other activities to prevent injuries.
     
    I'm confused as to what you're expecting here. He's right, loads of top teams use their second keeper in almost all their cup games, you shouldn't really need someone to find you an example.

    My question was specifically in response to @Trizy who said that it's fine because we are keeping Romero happy and making sure De Gea doesn't pick up an injury.

    I do not personally care for Romero's happiness in this matter, and I do not believe there is a serious risk of De Gea picking up an injury.

    This is an important game in the FA Cup against a good team.

    Perhaps I am overrating the importance of the cup? I don't know.

    All I'm saying is I want our best players to play. That's all. I do not think this is the game to be messing around with squad rotation.
     
    My question was specifically in response to @Trizy who said that it's fine because we are keeping Romero happy and making sure De Gea doesn't pick up an injury.

    I do not personally care for Romero's happiness in this matter, and I do not believe there is a serious risk of De Gea picking up an injury.


    This is an important game in the FA Cup against a good team.

    Perhaps I am overrating the importance of the cup? I don't know.

    All I'm saying is I want our best players to play. That's all. I do not think this is the game to be messing around with squad rotation.

    :lol: Who knows :wenger:
     
    What?

    Tell me an example of where a completely fit, first choice, world-class goalkeeper has been rested in an important game to keep him 'injury-free'. You don't rotate your best players, especially a goalkeeper for no reason other than 'it's a cup game, that's what everyone does'.

    It's a joke.

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    Not to keep De Gea injury free but just part of the rotation we tend to do in cup games.

    Get used to it.

    So basically, your response didn't answer my question, right?

    Good job.
     
    Oh right another point well made.

    We should probably rest Pogba too? Maybe he'll get injured. Better not to risk it!

    You've already been corrected by a number of people. Clubs rotate players, and by extension, goalkeepers, in cup games. It's commonly done. Go throw a hissy fit elsewhere.

    As someone has also pointed out, we went through an entire Europa League winning campaign swapping the goalkeeper.

    You should probably try and get used to it if you tend to take it this badly.
     
    You've already been corrected by a number of people. Clubs rotate players, and by extension, goalkeepers, in cup games. It's commonly done. Go throw a hissy fit elsewhere.

    As someone has also pointed out, we went through an entire Europa League winning campaign swapping the goalkeeper.

    You should probably get used to it if you tend to take it this badly.

    I haven't been 'corrected' by anyone. You either do not have to capacity to fully understand my point, or you are purposely ignoring it.

    Also, this is a forum. People debate. People have differing opinions. Just because I express mine, it doesn't mean that I am throwing a 'hissy fit'. Grow up.

    Anyway, it's obvious that I'm not getting through to you, so let's leave it at that.
     
    Romero is a decent keeper but he's extremely overrated here. The only reason his mistakes aren't apparent to people is because he doesn't play that often.

    He plays in Argentina's national team, is their first choice and rather extremely underrated, I think.
     
    I haven't been 'corrected' by anyone. You either do not have to capacity to fully understand my point, or you are purposely ignoring it.

    Also, this is a forum. People debate. People have differing opinions. Just because I express mine, it doesn't mean that I am throwing a 'hissy fit'. Grow up.

    Anyway, it's obvious that I'm not getting through to you, so let's leave it at that.

    It also goes both ways. Try accepting a difference of opinion (from posters or our manager) without calling it "a joke!".
     
    People saying Pogba needs a rest are forgetting he had a 3 week break sat on the bench before Ole came in....
     
    He plays in Argentina's national team, is their first choice and rather extremely underrated, I think.

    Rojo is also first choice in Argentine.

    He's not a bad keeper, definitely decent but not as class as people keep talking about him here. He's extremely overrated among United fans and he makes several mistakes in his few games he plays in cups games here but they are usually overlooked since these games are few and people don't see him often.

    If he plays regularly I bet 2 or 3 months in people will be asking for a new top keeper.
     
    De Gea should be playing. I understand the cup rotation thing, but Romero is a backup and this is about as difficult a game as we are likely to face in the cup being away and all.
     
    the real loser is anybody stateside. Yet another game on an add on to an already paid network. Sick and tired of nbc sports and espn and tnt getting damn games and then putting them on a place where people have to pay more to see them. Next we will have to pay a 10 cent service charge to turn on a tv or laptop each time.
     
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    the real loser is anybody stateside. Yet another game on an add on to an already paid network. Sick and tired of nbc sports and espn and tnt getting damn games and then putting them on a place where people have to pay more to see them. Next we will have to pay a 10 cent service charge to turn on a tv or laptop each time.
    One word. Reddit.
     
    If Romero plays and drops a clanger and we go out I will be fuming.

    We've got the best goalkeeper in the world, I'm sorry Mr Romero but you will just have to accept you are his reserve or you will have to leave.

    If he had ambition for his actual career he'd have left anyway, he's good enough to play in goal for at least half the Premier league teams.
    What if De gea starts instead and proceeds to drop a clanger? I mean he dropped one against the same team a few weeks ago.
    Subbing one goalkeeper for another barely makes any difference in a single game and will only be noticed if the second goalkeeper makes an error. There is a lot of luck and fine margins involved in goalkeeping.
     
    Rojo is also first choice in Argentine.

    He's not a bad keeper, definitely decent but not as class as people keep talking about him here. He's extremely overrated among United fans and he makes several mistakes in his few games he plays in cups games here but they are usually overlooked since these games are few and people don't see him often.

    If he plays regularly I bet 2 or 3 months in people will be asking for a new top keeper.

    We have different opinions, nothing wrong with it. I just want to judge him from what he has done and what I have seen myself, not what he might do if he plays more.
     
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  • 35% Arsenal 1:2 Man Utd
  • 12% Arsenal 1:3 Man Utd
  • 11% Arsenal 2:2 Man Utd
  • 9% Arsenal 2:1 Man Utd
  • 6% Arsenal 0:2 Man Utd
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Possession
63% 37%
Shots
13 8
Shots on Target
5 4
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5 3
Fouls
12 9

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