[Valencia Shin Crosses]

Football is a game of tradeoffs. You make several choices all over the pitch with the players and their roles, you win some things & lose some others, but the strife is to strike a good balance. This is what makes a team "more than the sum of its parts".

If you sit down and watch clips from the last couple of years, you'll notice that opposition defenders deliberately choose to use a double-team on him and leave others unmarked because they know he won't pass the ball. It would make you laugh, if it didn't make you cry. But that's the price we currently pay for him "getting in good positions and being a threat".

Will he become better? Who knows? But "leaving him out there to do his thing" isn't the way to nurture a player. This is why we have turned from a prime destination for young players to a graveyard for talents. It's a vicious circle: Managers need to get results out of a bad team, players (now more than ever) are after the big paycheck from day one, and the commercial behemoth that is United will try to "create" stars even if the performances on the pitch can't provide one. The manager hangs on to an unpolished and still limited player's ability for dear life, the player does his own thing because he realizes this is his moment to chase the big bucks, the club rushes to protect "the asset". All the while, the fans are starving for some exciting players amidst all the doom and gloom. So, of course, Ronaldo is the point of reference. Both the club and the fans want it to be so. Ask yourself this simple question: Would we be having this debate, if United were a well-functioning side and Garnacho (at this point of his career) was being compared to - let's say - Trossard (but with age on his side)? Puts a shift in, carries the ball adequately, a bit wasteful to be the main threat, but can score important goals. With an appropriate squad role and salary. I don't think we would.

Of course not. I've said as much too, in that in an ideal world Garnacho is just some hungry bench/squad player type that we chuck on for the last 20-30 minutes in games but no one really expects a ton out of him.

But that's not the world we live in. Garnacho has basically been our marquee attacker for 2 seasons now. We are broke as a club and need to sell players in order to bring more quality in. Garnacho, because of his age and solid face value production, is a player that will fetch a hefty fee on the open market. So viewing him needs to be through the lens of "is he worth turning down 55/60m+ type offers?". Because if we are turning down those types of bids, then he has to be worth more than that to us, and this excuse of "oh he's a young player it's normal to be erratic/inconsistent" doesn't get to still hold water.

 

[Valencia Shin Crosses]

It's been done a million times. His off the ball movement is excellent, he has a very good work rate and mentality, his touch is really good, he can run with the ball though yes his actual take on skills aren't great. He's excellent at creating half a yard to get a shot or cross off though, and he is capable of really good (and varied) shots, crosses and passes, and with both feet he's shown he can do that. It's just inconsistent, which yeah he is 20.

This is hilariously disingenuous. You could make that statement about basically any professional footballer in a European league if the qualifying amount of times they've pulled it off is > 1.

You seem to describe Garnacho as one might describe Nani (frustrating, hugely talented player capable of anything but is inconsistent), but anyone with eyes could watch both players and tell you one is a far superior talent.

 

[TheRedDevil'sAdvocate]

Of course not. I've said as much too, in that in an ideal world Garnacho is just some hungry bench/squad player type that we chuck on for the last 20-30 minutes in games but no one really expects a ton out of him.

But that's not the world we live in. Garnacho has basically been our marquee attacker for 2 seasons now. We are broke as a club and need to sell players in order to bring more quality in. Garnacho, because of his age and solid face value production, is a player that will fetch a hefty fee on the open market. So viewing him needs to be through the lens of "is he worth turning down 55/60m+ type offers?". Because if we are turning down those types of bids, then he has to be worth more than that to us, and this excuse of "oh he's a young player it's normal to be erratic/inconsistent" doesn't get to still hold water.

No one in this squad is worth it, right here and right now. Because if such an offer comes (say, £60m) and you turn it down, six months later his agent will be knocking on your door asking for >200K p/w. Not for the potential you think he has, but for the player he is now. And good luck with that.

 

[bosnian_red]

That’s just not true. He was a stand out performer for the season he was Sunderland, ending up as their top scorer. He’s had some injury set backs this season, but he is so clearly above Garnacho in the pecking order under Amorim.

Of course young players need their load carefully managed, and they can “compete for a spot” all they like, but Amad is winning that competition as long as he’s fit, because he’s just a better footballer.

In the championship, for a side that didn't get promoted, yes. I think Amad is class and has really improved. The point is that only happened now. You think Garnacho wouldn't tear up the championship at this point even more than Amad did, in a more settled role and team?

Amad and Garnacho if they compete for a spot, I'm sure would end up having balanced minutes. Amad is a better player now I agree, but he's also struggled to stay fit. My general point is he's perfect as a 3rd winger/attacking mid option, and Amad is perfect as a 2nd winger/attacking mid option. We need that main winger/attacking mid, while the 4th can be someone like Mount whose fitness isn't guaranteed. That way you have 4 good options, a couple of young promising players, but one who is a clear player we can lean on and who the young guys can learn from.

 

[OverratedOpinion]

It's been done a million times. His off the ball movement is excellent, he has a very good work rate and mentality, his touch is really good, he can run with the ball though yes his actual take on skills aren't great. He's excellent at creating half a yard to get a shot or cross off though, and he is capable of really good (and varied) shots, crosses and passes, and with both feet he's shown he can do that. It's just inconsistent, which yeah he is 20.

Put him in a better side, get some development into his decision making which I can't believe how many times I have to explain this but a 20 year old, in time, will get better decision making, and he definitely has a high ceiling if he improved there. How high, up for debate sure. But to say he's an average talent at best is dumb. Most players his age simply aren't playing at this level, let alone shown some of the big performances and productivity that he has. Amad who everyone thinks is amazing now was in the championship at this age. Garnacho has shown very good performances against top teams and shit performances against shit teams. It's just inconsistency for a variety of reasons. Because of his own current level, his age, another example of poor development at this club and putting too much pressure on a young player, putting a young player in a role they aren't ready for, not surrounding them with good enough players, and so on. We've got some of the worst attacking options in the league, and that's why he plays every constantly under both Ten Hag and Amorim. He's the only one in our squad capable of bringing some dynamism, but it's also probably not helping his development not having others he can learn from.

His off the ball movement is quite poor for the most part. Being able to run with the ball until a defender gets anywhere near you is not a skill, even when we get him in behind he is rarely able to actually run away from the last defender and usually gets caught. He isn't good at shooting and 1 in 15 crosses is decent.

It isn't just the really poor decision making that is the main issue. He just isn't a standout talent at anything particularly. Yes some players dramatically improve from when they are 20 in a manner that is beyond the curve of improvement. However if we are hoping for that then there is no point really discussing him right now.

You seem to think it's sacrilegious to say he's an average talent but can't really name any technical aspects of the game that he's above average at. Maybe his first touch but most attacking players have a better first touch now than 15 years ago.

 

[bosnian_red]

His off the ball movement is quite poor for the most part. Being able to run with the ball until a defender gets anywhere near you is not a skill, even when we get him in behind he is rarely able to actually run away from the last defender and usually gets caught. He isn't good at shooting and 1 in 15 crosses is decent.

It isn't just the really poor decision making that is the main issue. He just isn't a standout talent at anything particularly. Yes some players dramatically improve from when they are 20 in a manner that is beyond the curve of improvement. However if we are hoping for that then there is no point really discussing him right now.

You seem to think it's sacrilegious to say he's an average talent but can't really name any technical aspects of the game that he's above average at. Maybe his first touch but most attacking players have a better first touch now than 15 years ago.

I mean I've said multiple things that he is very good at, backed it up with metrics, data, productivity, and there's the whole thing of every manager who has coached him really likes him too and the clubs valuation of him. Like your first sentence is saying "NO, everything you said is wrong because I say so". It's not my fault you are closing your eyes at everything he does, and all logic around and you are so dead set in your own belief and think everybody else is wrong. What can you do though, some people are like that.

Anyway, you people who think a player is done developing at the age of 20 and is hopeless and has to be sold because his end product is bad are weird as feck, to be honest.

 

[bosnian_red]

Of course not. I've said as much too, in that in an ideal world Garnacho is just some hungry bench/squad player type that we chuck on for the last 20-30 minutes in games but no one really expects a ton out of him.

But that's not the world we live in. Garnacho has basically been our marquee attacker for 2 seasons now. We are broke as a club and need to sell players in order to bring more quality in. Garnacho, because of his age and solid face value production, is a player that will fetch a hefty fee on the open market. So viewing him needs to be through the lens of "is he worth turning down 55/60m+ type offers?". Because if we are turning down those types of bids, then he has to be worth more than that to us, and this excuse of "oh he's a young player it's normal to be erratic/inconsistent" doesn't get to still hold water.

I think we as fans simply do not know enough about the actual finances at the club or real interest around the world and for other players to be able to make real opinions worthwhile with that logic. We simply aren't involved in that at all, and it's random hypotheticals. We don't know how much we can spend, we don't know what interest there is in other players, we don't know what players we will target if we do sell player A, B or C and what permutations happen in each scenario. We aren't involved in that, and pretending to know the scenarios is pretty much lying.

It just makes far more sense to look at the players we have, relative to their own ability, and the ability of their team mates, their ages, their development path and potential development path. Why anyone would want Garnacho or Mainoo to be sold "because they have actual value" is crazy to me. You are actively wanting us to make our squad weaker, so we get an unknown amount of money, so we can maybe spend an unknown amount of money on an unknown player? What about just having the hypothetical logic that we sell some other players who have less use currently and long term, and buy some different players?

If Garnacho has been our marquee attacker for 2 years now, it's because all the others are shite. Shouldn't we look to replace Antony, Rashford, Hojlund, Mount and Zirkzee all before we even think about replacing Garnacho? Wanting to sell the 20 year old who has been our best non Bruno attacker for 2 years now because he can raise more money but keep all the other shite because of a random hypothetical which may or may not be true just doesn't stack up for me.

So yeah, I'm gonna always push to keep our best talents, and keep our best performing players and sell the shit ones, and I'll continually argue against the 4d logic of we should actually sell our best talents, so our billionaire owners can make more money.

Also as an obvious side note - academy players will always be worth more, because there are always registration requirements even aside from the emotional attachment that the majority of normal supporters will get. So you can't actually just sell off all your graduates, so might as well keep your best ones to make sure you are fine with home grown regulations.

 

[OverratedOpinion]

I mean I've said multiple things that he is very good at, backed it up with metrics, data, productivity, and there's the whole thing of every manager who has coached him really likes him too and the clubs valuation of him. Like your first sentence is saying "NO, everything you said is wrong because I say so". It's not my fault you are closing your eyes at everything he does, and all logic around and you are so dead set in your own belief and think everybody else is wrong. What can you do though, some people are like that.

Anyway, you people who think a player is done developing at the age of 20 and is hopeless and has to be sold because his end product is bad are weird as feck, to be honest.

You didn't provide anything. You gave your opinion and I gave mine.

I think people who don't think you can develop a decent idea of the level of talent a player has after watching them play 130 times are weird as feck.

 

[Ollie Derbyshire]

Purely out of interest, what attributes are you referring to?

I personally think he has quite a low ceiling in nearly all attributes you'd need to be a good attacker.

He's a real tryer, has a lot of self belief and a pretty good first touch. You could maybe say decent attacking instincts.

Other than that I begin to struggle. Very weak, not particularly fast, not a good passer, not a good dribbler, average finishing, not a good shot on him, horrendous reading of the game, very hit and miss crosser of the ball.

I don't dislike the lad but I can't see where this good player is that some people are seeing.

Honestly, for a player of his age I think he has done really well in a very poor team. Over the last couple of years he’s been one of our best and most threatening attackers. Does he need to improve certain areas, critically his finishing and final pass sure he does, does he have the ability and more importantly the mentality to do it I think he does. He definitely deserves a year or two longer to see if he can do that, if not then sure cut our losses.

His tenacity and mental strength to not let his misses get the better of him like other players have in our recent past and to keep getting into goal scoring positions is a very good quality to have,

If it clicks for him next season and the goals start to flow we’d have a very good player on our hands.

That’s just my perspective, I understand others who get frustrated with him, hell I do at times.

 

[OverratedOpinion]

Honestly, for a player of his age I think he has done really well in a very poor team. Over the last couple of years he’s been one of our best and most threatening attackers. Does he need to improve certain areas, critically his finishing and final pass sure he does, does he have the ability and more importantly the mentality to do it I think he does. He definitely deserves a year or two longer to see if he can do that, if not then sure cut our losses.

His tenacity and mental strength to not let his misses get the better of him like other players have in our recent past and to keep getting into goal scoring positions is a very good quality to have,

If it clicks for him next season and the goals start to flow we’d have a very good player on our hands.

That’s just my perspective, I understand others who get frustrated with him, hell I do at times.

I agree about not letting his head drop, I think that is very important and a trait that top attackers tend to have.

I just think to put it bluntly he isn't good enough at enough things on a football pitch to be a top player.

Re more time, I don't think the idea of "deserve" really comes into it. We need to improve our attack significantly. If we get an offer for him that allows us to buy a good attacking player then we absolutely have to do so.

If our front 3 isn't Amad and 2 new players next season then we have a big issue. If we can afford them and also keep Garnacho as a young player who has shown he can knick a few goals and get a handful of appearances to see how he gets on then fine.

 

[Ollie Derbyshire]

I agree about not letting his head drop, I think that is very important and a trait that top attackers tend to have.

I just think to put it bluntly he isn't good enough at enough things on a football pitch to be a top player.

Re more time, I don't think the idea of "deserve" really comes into it. We need to improve our attack significantly. If we get an offer for him that allows us to buy a good attacking player then we absolutely have to do so.

If our front 3 isn't Amad and 2 new players next season then we have a big issue. If we can afford them and also keep Garnacho as a young player who has shown he can knick a few goals and get a handful of appearances to see how he gets on then fine.

This would be my choice. We need goals that both Hojlund and Zkrkzee aren’t going to provide I don’t think just yet, if ever.

But if we move Rashford, Antony and Sancho on then we should be able to get 2 new attackers in and still keep Garnacho.

 

[Olecurls99]

I think we as fans simply do not know enough about the actual finances at the club or real interest around the world and for other players to be able to make real opinions worthwhile with that logic. We simply aren't involved in that at all, and it's random hypotheticals. We don't know how much we can spend, we don't know what interest there is in other players, we don't know what players we will target if we do sell player A, B or C and what permutations happen in each scenario. We aren't involved in that, and pretending to know the scenarios is pretty much lying.

It just makes far more sense to look at the players we have, relative to their own ability, and the ability of their team mates, their ages, their development path and potential development path. Why anyone would want Garnacho or Mainoo to be sold "because they have actual value" is crazy to me. You are actively wanting us to make our squad weaker, so we get an unknown amount of money, so we can maybe spend an unknown amount of money on an unknown player? What about just having the hypothetical logic that we sell some other players who have less use currently and long term, and buy some different players?

If Garnacho has been our marquee attacker for 2 years now, it's because all the others are shite. Shouldn't we look to replace Antony, Rashford, Hojlund, Mount and Zirkzee all before we even think about replacing Garnacho? Wanting to sell the 20 year old who has been our best non Bruno attacker for 2 years now because he can raise more money but keep all the other shite because of a random hypothetical which may or may not be true just doesn't stack up for me.

So yeah, I'm gonna always push to keep our best talents, and keep our best performing players and sell the shit ones, and I'll continually argue against the 4d logic of we should actually sell our best talents, so our billionaire owners can make more money.

Also as an obvious side note - academy players will always be worth more, because there are always registration requirements even aside from the emotional attachment that the majority of normal supporters will get. So you can't actually just sell off all your graduates, so might as well keep your best ones to make sure you are fine with home grown regulations.

Some quick stats for you Mr Red

Garnacho has a PL goal or assist this season every 360 minutes

Zirkzee has a PL goal or assist this season every 260 minutes

Hojlund has a PL goal or assist this season every 390 minutes

There is no evidence that he is a far superior talent to the other 2.

 

[bosnian_red]

Some quick stats for you Mr Red

Garnacho has a PL goal or assist this season every 360 minutes

Zirkzee has a PL goal or assist this season every 260 minutes

Hojlund has a PL goal or assist this season every 390 minutes

There is no evidence that he is a far superior talent to the other 2.

We play in more competitions than just the league, might as well look at how he's been doing across all competitions both this and last season. Also as said - his end product has been shit. He's young, that's likely to turn just like his first year he was more productive than his underlying metrics and now he is underperforming in that.

In the league, his combined non pen xG and his xAG are right there with Bruno and Amad (0.44 for Garna per 90, 0.45 for Amad, 0.46 for Bruno) as the top 3 in our team. That itself is nothing special, but it says more about our team being really bad going forward so that's gonna have an impact. In the Europa league his combined xG and xAG is 0.72 and in the 92nd percentile. His take on percentage is also at the 72nd percentile there compared to the horrible 31st percentile he's had in the prem this season. Obviously, tougher opposition in the premier league, and he's had a tough 3rd season after having a very decent season last year.

 

[Olecurls99]

In the league, his combined non pen xG and his xAG are right there with Bruno and Amad (0.44 for Garna per 90, 0.45 for Amad, 0.46 for Bruno) as the top 3 in our team.

That's gonna be very misleading, and perhaps deliberately so, purely because he takes the most shots in the league.

He is 25th percentile for expected assists which is as I would expect and 85th percentile for expected goals, because as I said he takes the most shots in the league and as I've said all along he does have a good knack of being in the right place.

Zirkzee has been better in the actual stats as opposed to the expected ones, so to say he is shit and Garnacho is one of our top players isn't fair.

 

[Cassidy]

That's gonna be very misleading, and perhaps deliberately so, purely because he takes the most shots in the league.

He is 25th percentile for expected assists which is as I would expect and 85th percentile for expected goals, because as I said he takes the most shots in the league and as I've said all along he does have a good knack of being in the right place.

Zirkzee has been better in the actual stats as opposed to the expected ones, so to say he is shit and Garnacho is one of our top players isn't fair.

He takes alot of shots but he also gets into a lot of dangerous positions. If you are just taking shots from impossible positions it does not improve your xG much.

 

[The Hilton]

He takes alot of shots but he also gets into a lot of dangerous positions. If you are just taking shots from impossible positions it does not improve your xG much.

It does if you take enough of them, and Garnacho takes far more than anyone else. He's among the highest volume shooters in every competition.

 

[Cassidy]

It does if you take enough of them, and Garnacho takes far more than anyone else. He's among the highest volume shooters in every competition.

Read the first sentence

 

[Zumbi]

He takes alot of shots but he also gets into a lot of dangerous positions. If you are just taking shots from impossible positions it does not improve your xG much.

A lot of the shots he takes aren’t in particularly dangerous positions.Sure, he’ll get the ball on the edge of the box or in the box, but often with defenders in front of him and he then doesn’t have the guile or footwork to make that yard space, which is why so many of his shots are blocked.

 

[TwoSheds]

He takes alot of shots but he also gets into a lot of dangerous positions. If you are just taking shots from impossible positions it does not improve your xG much.

I don't think he takes shots from impossible positions, I just don't think he finishes well for the most part. You would like to think that would improve as he gets older but he takes Ronaldo type chances on with Giggs-like finishing. Maybe it will become his thing but it's not his thing right now. He definitely demonstrated good finishing in the youth teams so I don't think he's hopeless, but he's currently struggling to adapt to what other people have said which is that he's generally well marked and still takes the shot anyway when he should be using the space he creates better, whether for him or someone else.

 

[Cassidy]

A lot of the shots he takes aren’t in particularly dangerous positions.Sure, he’ll get the ball on the edge of the box or in the box, but often with defenders in front of him and he then doesn’t have the guile or footwork to make that yard space, which is why so many of his shots are blocked.

Yes but he also takes quite a few in dangerous positions. Main point being taking shots in low percentage situations does not bump your xG up that much

 

[Cassidy]

I don't think he takes shots from impossible positions, I just don't think he finishes well for the most part. You would like to think that would improve as he gets older but he takes Ronaldo type chances on with Giggs-like finishing. Maybe it will become his thing but it's not his thing right now. He definitely demonstrated good finishing in the youth teams so I don't think he's hopeless, but he's currently struggling to adapt to what other people have said which is that he's generally well marked and still takes the shot anyway when he should be using the space he creates better, whether for him or someone else.

I was not saying he was a good finisher (although I think he showed he can be in his first season), was just pointing out him having higher xG than Hojlund is because he gets into good positions rather than he just “takes a lot of shots”

 

[TwoSheds]

Yes but he also takes quite a few in dangerous positions. Main point being taking shots in low percentage situations does not bump your xG up that much

I don't know if I believe that xG adequately judges how good a chance is. Being central or close to goal doesn't mean the shot is on, and it certainly doesn't mean there isn't a better chance of scoring by doing something else. His decision making will improve though, it already has, he's just in that in between position where he doesn't create enough and doesn't score enough so you need to see him kick on before you know if it's worth the effort with him. He'll get better but you have to be pretty good to be worth £80m or whatever we'd ask for him so I don't know if he'd ever be worth that valuation to someone.

 

[Cassidy]

I don't know if I believe that xG adequately judges how good a chance is. Being central or close to goal doesn't mean the shot is on, and it certainly doesn't mean there isn't a better chance of scoring by doing something else. His decision making will improve though, it already has, he's just in that in between position where he doesn't create enough and doesn't score enough so you need to see him kick on before you know if it's worth the effort with him. He'll get better but you have to be pretty good to be worth £80m or whatever we'd ask for him so I don't know if he'd ever be worth that valuation to someone.

The whole point of xG is to quantify quality of chances. Sure it does not do it without error but I would say its a decent model. Its does not account for someone individual ability sure but I think thats besides the point.

Also I am not speaking about his decision making was just making a simple point about xG and how just shooting from anywhere is not going to increase your xG

 

[TwoSheds]

The whole point of xG is to quantify quality of chances. Sure it does not do it without error but I would say its a decent model. Its does not account for someone individual ability sure but I think thats besides the point.

Also I am not speaking about his decision making was just making a simple point about xG and how just shooting from anywhere is not going to increase your xG

Yeah I disagree, I think xG can be inflated by above averagely poor decision making. If other players wouldn't take the shot in the same circumstance then the poorness of chance is not properly reflected since similar positions where the shot is on will be what xG is basing chances on. On the plus side those fine margins that xG probably doesn't distinguish can also be what allows large improvements in productivity if the finishing and/or decision making improve.

 

[Cassidy]

Yeah I disagree, I think xG can be inflated by above averagely poor decision making. If other players wouldn't take the shot in the same circumstance then the poorness of chance is not properly reflected since similar positions where the shot is on will be what xG is basing chances on.

If less players are attempting to score in the same position the model accounts for that doesn’t it?

 

[TwoSheds]

If less players are attempting to score in the same position the model accounts for that doesn’t it?

Can the model account for the positioning of the defenders feet or the balance of the goalkeeper? Finishing at the top level is really hard.

 

[The Hilton]

Read the first sentence

I did, I disagree with the latter half of it. I was addressing the second sentence, which is objectively false.

He accumulates misleadingly high xG by being one of the highest volume shooters in every competition he takes part in.

Quick edit: in the league, his most recent attempt with an xG above 0.25 was against Crystal Palace in September, so over 6 months ago.

 

[TheRedDevil'sAdvocate]

Yeah I disagree, I think xG can be inflated by above averagely poor decision making. If other players wouldn't take the shot in the same circumstance then the poorness of chance is not properly reflected since similar positions where the shot is on will be what xG is basing chances on. On the plus side those fine margins that xG probably doesn't distinguish can also be what allows large improvements in productivity if the finishing and/or decision making improve.

Hardly, if you know where to look (non-penalty stats).

First example: Amad has amassed 4.10 xG from 40 shots (13 OT). Garnacho has 6.04 xG from 70 shots (26 OT). Easy to tell who shoots better.

Second example: Both Garnacho and Bruno (79 Shots, 23 OT) have 0.09 xG per shot. Bruno has 31 shots from inside the box, compared to Garna's 50. This also tells a story.

 

[Hammondo]

I think we as fans simply do not know enough about the actual finances at the club or real interest around the world and for other players to be able to make real opinions worthwhile with that logic. We simply aren't involved in that at all, and it's random hypotheticals. We don't know how much we can spend, we don't know what interest there is in other players, we don't know what players we will target if we do sell player A, B or C and what permutations happen in each scenario. We aren't involved in that, and pretending to know the scenarios is pretty much lying.

It just makes far more sense to look at the players we have, relative to their own ability, and the ability of their team mates, their ages, their development path and potential development path. Why anyone would want Garnacho or Mainoo to be sold "because they have actual value" is crazy to me. You are actively wanting us to make our squad weaker, so we get an unknown amount of money, so we can maybe spend an unknown amount of money on an unknown player? What about just having the hypothetical logic that we sell some other players who have less use currently and long term, and buy some different players?

If Garnacho has been our marquee attacker for 2 years now, it's because all the others are shite. Shouldn't we look to replace Antony, Rashford, Hojlund, Mount and Zirkzee all before we even think about replacing Garnacho? Wanting to sell the 20 year old who has been our best non Bruno attacker for 2 years now because he can raise more money but keep all the other shite because of a random hypothetical which may or may not be true just doesn't stack up for me.

So yeah, I'm gonna always push to keep our best talents, and keep our best performing players and sell the shit ones, and I'll continually argue against the 4d logic of we should actually sell our best talents, so our billionaire owners can make more money.

Also as an obvious side note - academy players will always be worth more, because there are always registration requirements even aside from the emotional attachment that the majority of normal supporters will get. So you can't actually just sell off all your graduates, so might as well keep your best ones to make sure you are fine with home grown regulations.

He hasn't been our second best attacker though. Amad is leagues better, and zirkzee has been better. It would be very easy to replace him with a better player as he's just not very good.

 

[Cassidy]

Can the model account for the positioning of the defenders feet or the balance of the goalkeeper? Finishing at the top level is really hard.

Its not trying to measure quality of finishing

 

[georgipep]

He hasn't been our second best attacker though. Amad is leagues better, and zirkzee has been better. It would be very easy to replace him with a better player as he's just not very good.

check any attacking stat and come back

 

[bosnian_red]

He hasn't been our second best attacker though. Amad is leagues better, and zirkzee has been better. It would be very easy to replace him with a better player as he's just not very good.

Amad barely featured last season and has played about 2 months of this season. He's very good, but he hasn't played that much and is out for another month anyway. Zirkzee better.... Nah.

 

[Zoo]

He’s too frustrating

 

[ArjenIsM3]

Crap game again. He's fast but that's about it.

 

[The Hilton]

Crap game again. He's fast but that's about it.

He isn't even that fast, he's just not very good.

 

[redNATION]

Doesn’t have what it takes to be an elite player. He’s actually slower than I thought, but his decision making and execution in the final third is awful. Can’t even make simple passes to set up a shot on goal.

 

[Godfather]

Don't rate him at all

 

[Hugh Jass]

Yea hes not very good.

 

[Olecurls99]

Loads of effort but awful output

 

[kouroux]

Just feckin shite