Ruben Amorim - Manchester United Head Coach
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In the latest episode of the United Hour Podcast, Nik (@Rood) and Imran (@Annihilate Now!) are here to discuss three 1-1 draws.
The first got us knocked out of the FA Cup, the next puts us in a good position in our Round of 16 Europa League game, and the latest was an actual decent performance against Arsenal at Old Trafford.
All hopes for the season now rest on the Europa League - does Amorim have the squad to win it?
Think he answered the Ruud question classy, I would have liked he stayed but fair decision.
Don't know what happened with rashford but something went wrong long before Ruben arrived. Even Rooney indicated at something in his interview. Hope some day we get the whole picture, as for now good luck to him and hope he plays well so we might get a good fee for him.
Don't know what happened with rashford but something went wrong long before Ruben arrived. Even Rooney indicated at something in his interview. Hope some day we get the whole picture, as for now good luck to him and hope he plays well so we might get a good fee for him.
It was probably a joint decision. Amorim seems to understand that past transfer mistakes are costing them now.
He was probably given choices.. get players now that are a bit more panic buy for inflated prices or wait till summer where the squad is assessed further and a bigger pool of players to chose from.
For instance, a journalist report from Portugal saying 85m for Gyokores in January compare to 65m in summer.
Paying 10m loan fee for Tel or just going with what we have.
Whilst the report on Gyokeres might be 20% accurate, it gives you an idea. Paying 20m extra for a player in January means 20m less budget in the summer.
He probably said, I rather wait and get 2/3 players for the budget than 1 player that wont help create the squad.
The league is gone, we could win something with the current squad. He has to improve players too. He also needs to show the board that he can be trusted with money and players.
I don't know for sure, nor do you - so why keep crapping on in such a negative way after just 3 months? Would a different manager also require 3 top class signings to make us top 4 challengers? If so then what point are you actually making?
Whilst you are asking a different poster, I can say we will improve come May.
We have a 2 week break coming up where we will most likely use this to train on Amorim's methods.
Its not that hard to become top 4 challengers, did you expect Forest to become top 4 challengers? I doubt it.
Here's hoping, but this post is reminiscent of the ETH era. We would regularly see people flag an international break or gaps in schedule to allow the players to get ETH's 'system' or something and all would be fine. Amorim is a very different manager, but he also needs to work out how he wants to play for rest of the season. Palace game he got it wrong. If he keeps changing the system players will just get more confused.
This manager talks a lot of sense, I have no doubts whatsoever he will be a huge success at United.
The league this season is a complete write off, his job now is to improve as many players as possible and then improve the squad further in the summer.
So even though the league has little interest, he has plenty he can do for next season.
The league this season is a complete write off, his job now is to improve as many players as possible and then improve the squad further in the summer.
So even though the league has little interest, he has plenty he can do for next season.
Talking sense in a press conference is pretty meaningless as an indicator of how good a manager is or will be.
Apparently does a great job at preventing fans from questioning your results though
At least he's saying they want physicality in the players they are looking for. Something Ten Hag didn't have a clue about.
I do not understand Manchester United. They extend EtH´s contract only to sack him a few months later. Then they give Amorim an ultimatum to come mid-season or never and implement a system for which he doesn´t have the right players. Surprise. It does not work, and we are even worse than under ten Hag. Come winter, we could not manage to sell the players who does not fit in, and only brings in Dorgu and Heaven. Will it get better? Yes, but slowly. Should we have waited for Amorim until summer and got him a better fit of players for his system. Big yes. This is BS. I would have kept Ruud on until summer and probably ended up somewhere between 6th-9th in a system that fits the players. (I know it is not working for him at Leicester right now). We are setting Amorim up for a sacking-discussion that is unfair. His system is not working out, and he refuses to be flexible about it. He is the exact opposite of EtH. EtH was bought to play Ajax-Ball here but instantly saw, that he could not do it. He bend his system to the players, and it worked out pretty well for a year or so. Afterwards it went bad partly through bad transfer decisions but also through bad luck in the injury-department. Amorim is bought to play Sporting-Ball and cannot do it while the player-budget is spend on EtH-players. He must obviously do with what he has, and it is a pain to watch. The management of this club is beyond stupid, but Amorim is not faultless either.
Our problems are obvious:
1: Amad and Dorgu has to be the wingbacks from now on. No more Amad at 10. No Dalot or Mazraoui except for games where we will have to stand back and defend. They are allergic to crossing the ball and doesn´t get anywhere near the dangerous areas in transitions. That leads of directly to our next weakness.
2: The 9 position. I call it the Robinson Crusoe-position. Isolated, surrounded by hostiles. It really doesn´t matter who plays there. The 9 is set up to fail. No service and outnumbered. Without attack-minded wingers and crosses, we might as well play without a 9. This might get better with Amad and Dorgu though, but only if...
3:...We need to solve the passing problem in the final third. We have three players who can play a surprise pass, but only one of them can do it with one touch. He is on the bench and does not have the legs for pressing high. We need a young Eriksen, but until we have the funds to buy one, we will have to do with the original. Our attacking play and control is much better, when he is on the pitch. I want Eriksen and Bruno linking up with Amad and Dorgu setting up the 9. At least until summer, when the dane is hopefully being replaced.
4: The pivot. We need a young Modric or Kroos, but we will have to do with Ugarte/Collier/Mainoo. Ugarte should always play, and Mainoo is the best option against weaker teams. Collier is the better physical option.
5: Bayindir in and Onana out.
6: Yoro and Mazraoui need to play CB for speed. Harry or De Ligt, but not both, when we are standing high, which we must in the Amorim-system.
7: I like Garnacho, but he has no real position in the system. He is not good enough defensively as a wingback and he doesn´t cross. He can play the 10, but he really is a super talented winger, which we don´t need in this system.
Our problems are obvious:
1: Amad and Dorgu has to be the wingbacks from now on. No more Amad at 10. No Dalot or Mazraoui except for games where we will have to stand back and defend. They are allergic to crossing the ball and doesn´t get anywhere near the dangerous areas in transitions. That leads of directly to our next weakness.
2: The 9 position. I call it the Robinson Crusoe-position. Isolated, surrounded by hostiles. It really doesn´t matter who plays there. The 9 is set up to fail. No service and outnumbered. Without attack-minded wingers and crosses, we might as well play without a 9. This might get better with Amad and Dorgu though, but only if...
3:...We need to solve the passing problem in the final third. We have three players who can play a surprise pass, but only one of them can do it with one touch. He is on the bench and does not have the legs for pressing high. We need a young Eriksen, but until we have the funds to buy one, we will have to do with the original. Our attacking play and control is much better, when he is on the pitch. I want Eriksen and Bruno linking up with Amad and Dorgu setting up the 9. At least until summer, when the dane is hopefully being replaced.
4: The pivot. We need a young Modric or Kroos, but we will have to do with Ugarte/Collier/Mainoo. Ugarte should always play, and Mainoo is the best option against weaker teams. Collier is the better physical option.
5: Bayindir in and Onana out.
6: Yoro and Mazraoui need to play CB for speed. Harry or De Ligt, but not both, when we are standing high, which we must in the Amorim-system.
7: I like Garnacho, but he has no real position in the system. He is not good enough defensively as a wingback and he doesn´t cross. He can play the 10, but he really is a super talented winger, which we don´t need in this system.
He doesn't like Amorim for some reason. He's always putting weird tweets out about him after defeats. Very unprofessional.
Regardless of what era it is, any manager needs time to train the team to his system.
I dont get the point of he needs to work out how he wants to play, when he has clearly clarified it pressers that his style will not change. So there is nothing about players getting confused.
We have the same issues every game, we concede silly goals and cant create chances.
Just been burnt by managers talking the talk
People don't want a sustainable and sensible approach - they want to beat Brighton and Palace NOW and they will stamp their little feet if it doesn't happen.
not you though eh?
You'd be worried if he was spouting rubbish though.
Woah, long term approach? No No, that can't work with United fans... they want the here and now approach, you know the CR7, Casemiro type, oh wait... they also moaned about that being a short term approach.
Our league is done, we might as well take the patient sustainable approach. The number of fans having head loss over the January transfer window baffles me.
Its almost they think real football = Football manager.
Sounds like a veto to me?
Yep
But the reason this will work well is because he will have a good list of targets to accommodate to, unlike our previous coaches
Yep - I think the difference is he will get a lot of targets proposed to him versus previous coaches a) because he likely won't know the 18-22 player pool that well (not his job) and b) because we seem to actually be using our scouts and not just going for big names.
How is this any different to before? Genuine question
Its not different.
Just have to hope Amorim is actually good.It isn't. But he talks nice, so he'll know who to sign, right?
There is and agreement between Sporting president and Gyokeres that he can go in the summer for a lower fee. Provided he stayed another year and didnt leave in january.
yes, my point exactly. I used him as an example. If United are in for someone like him, paying 65m would give more room for other signings over paying 85m in January.
We can wait till the summer to save that. It could mean we sing another player for that price.
Now, if you think that may be the case for 3/4 players, it will allow us to sign 1 extra player signing players in summer over January.
In general comes across as an utter twat as well as being being a journalist who cannot write. Somehow gets paid to chuck out a load of slop with sentences that barely make sense despite writing for an alleged broadsheet.
Isn't he Rashford's mouthpiece? I wouldn't take anything that Jamie says as anything other than spite.
Alot of times under Ole and Ten Hag he used to leak stuff, he got every story wrong this year as well.
Clearly just a chancer.
yeah he's a bellend. Paddock should not bother introducing him on their youtube channel, they already get good reporters in from Athletic now.
Yep journos like that are better suited to The United Stand.
Ten Hag signed players he knew. What connection does Amorim have to Dorgu, Heaven or even Diego Leon?
Did he know Mount? Or Hojlund?
I'm not too happy we're making the very same mistakes again. Of course the hope is that Amorim has more sense than ETH when it comes to transfers, but it should never come down to that hope
Mount played in Holland when he managed. Hojlund is pretty much the only exception.
What mistakes?
Its not different.
Klopp had Veto at Liverpool, they have/had a transfer committee but his vote counted for 2 whereas everyone else’s only counts as 1
That's not how a veto works
ETH and the support he got to buy his previous own players or those that played against him was unprecedented in top level football. Klopp did not buy a single one of his former players, whereas Fergie I think signed just one. ETH proved to be a terrible, terrible judge of players,
Half the lot critiscising him are the same people who criticised Rangnik when he pointed out all the issues with the squads which needed addressing.
We’ll be better off if we had allowed Rangnik to get rid of the overpaid lazy players we had, but no, we doubled down by signing even more overpaid players past their prime.
You can say it’s bad morale for the squad to be called out publicly, but ffs, most of them aren’t the necessary quality that we need anyway.
Getting rid of players who’re happy to sit around for a payday would be a success in itself.