It's shameful isnt it. We've got politicians too gutless to call it out.And we are expected to vote for politicians who won't call it out.
I'm never going to defend Ben Gvir... But his words were badly twisted. When he confirmed the 'abominable conditions' he was writing about the suppsedly decent conditions prisoners had prior to October 7. Not the treatment of them since then.Tweet
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Thankyou for this. You are absolutely right, I should have checked and I've modified my post.I'm never going to defend Ben Gvir... But his words were badly twisted. When he confirmed the 'abominable conditions' he was writing about the suppsedly decent conditions prisoners had prior to October 7. Not the treatment of them since then.
It's hard for me to give him the benefit of the doubt. I think when you read the translation it becomes very easy from the context to understand what Gvir was saying, and very difficult to conclude that he was referring to rape and torture.I'm not sure the Intercept reporter intended manipulation, it's not easy to understand that someone would call prisoners supposedly being treated well as vile and abominable.
Yes, he feels they were too comfortable before he came in.It's hard for me to give him the benefit of the doubt. I think when you read the translation it becomes very easy from the context to understand what Gvir was saying, and very difficult to conclude that he was referring to rape and torture.
yesI've been doing my best to avoid sources that document their constant atrocities to stave off the depression and yet even sticking to the big mainstream news channels I can't seem to escape the documentation of further evidence of their cruelty and depravity.
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Seems like the Twitter translation isn't accurate either and it's "sailing conditions" and not "abominable". Maybe @Amir could clear that up.It's hard for me to give him the benefit of the doubt. I think when you read the translation it becomes very easy from the context to understand what Gvir was saying, and very difficult to conclude that he was referring to rape and torture.
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Interesting to see how the United States and their alleged commitment to the two state solution spin this one if such a resolution does pass. Ensure us they're very cross and disappointed with the Israelis, and making their dismay known quite clearly by signing off on more weapons? Or do they finally stop pretending to care about a two state solution and just chaperone the Israeli stance?Tweet
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Precisely the reason I find most of the chatter around Israeli politics irrelevant to the Palestinian cause.Tweet
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If Trump wins, I think the US might change their official stance. If Democrats win (unlikely), they will do the other things you mentioned, in addition to protesting Israel's resolution by vetoing a UN resolution that condemns the Israel resolution.Interesting to see how the United States and their alleged commitment to the two state solution spin this one if such a resolution does pass. Ensure us they're very cross and disappointed with the Israelis, and making their dismay known quite clearly by signing off on more weapons? Or do they finally stop pretending to care about a two state solution and just chaperone the Israeli stance?
"we continue to work with our partners in israel on a pathway to 2 states ...."Interesting to see how the United States and their alleged commitment to the two state solution spin this one if such a resolution does pass. Ensure us they're very cross and disappointed with the Israelis, and making their dismay known quite clearly by signing off on more weapons? Or do they finally stop pretending to care about a two state solution and just chaperone the Israeli stance?
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But this would be an entirely different ballgame, it would become legislated within Israel via a parliamentary resolution. It's not a video clip which the US can easily and predictably swat away by pulling a Wenger and claiming they haven't seen it. It would be baked into Israeli law, as objective as you like."we continue to work with our partners in israel on a pathway to 2 states ...."
"we have not seen these reports, we continue to work with our partners in israel ... "
"i can't comment on israeli internal matters, we continue to work with our partners in israel ..."
"you will have to ask the israelis for that, we continue to work with them on .... "
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For the 1000,000th time: when it comes to the Palestinian question, there is no real opposition in Israel. Some voices here and there, but that’s it.Tweet
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I know - this guy was part of that govt in fact. there is or was this feeling that Bibi is a unique insurmountable obstacle, because of his court case, but it's hard to see any democratically elected govt that wouldn't have similar stances.For the 1000,000th time: when it comes to the Palestinian question, there is no real opposition in Israel. Some voices here and there, but that’s it.
Even the government that replaced Netanyahu for a year or so was full of right wingers.
Absolutely. Some talk about Netanyahu, Ben Gvir and co. as if they are outliers on this issue. They aren’t.I know - this guy was part of that govt in fact. there is or was this feeling that Bibi is a unique insurmountable obstacle, because of his court case, but it's hard to see any democratically elected govt that wouldn't have similar stances.
IDF “it was harbouring Hamas” in 3….2….1….https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/c4ng04kpv2do
The IDF of course will be looking into it.
Air strike on Gaza school kills at least 15 people
Anyone in this time who still believes anything from the IDF is a donkey.IDF “it was harbouring Hamas” in 3….2….1….
There was a poll from about March which showed that 30-40% of Americans believed more Israelis than Palestinians have been killed since Oct 7. All these small headlines, wordings, etc add up.Tweet
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they seemed to have agreed to the suicidal "stages" thing- i don't see how israel ever follows that. they have no incentive to stop bombing once enough hostages are out!Some reports that Hamas agreed again to the ceasefire proposal and dropped some previous demands.
"Hamas still wants written guarantees from mediators that Israel will continue to negotiate a permanent cease-fire deal once the first phase goes into effect, the officials said".they seemed to have agreed to the suicidal "stages" thing- i don't see how israel ever follows that. they have no incentive to stop bombing once enough hostages are out!
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But you've quoted Western media plenty of times in this thread though?Tweet
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How can anyone one be asked to respect such media? I have no respect whatsoever to western media, it is all agenda driven. I have more respect to a taxi driver making up shit about some conspiracy theory than to those nauseating media outlets.
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How can anyone one be asked to respect such media? I have no respect whatsoever to western media, it is all agenda driven. I have more respect to a taxi driver making up shit about some conspiracy theory than to those nauseating media outlets.