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Oh come off it! This is a great night, enjoy it for what it is and leave your negativity for tomorrowA great evening tonight, but also a little bittersweet. There can be so much energy in this stadium, enough to affect the players, but aside from today you would hardly ever have noticed it, because the team's football has killed off so much of the fan's enthusiasm.
Don't get me wrong, I'll keep fond memories of the game, but I guess I've just been to too many games this year where I felt like a fraction of that energy could have gone a long way, yet the football has made fans a bit apathetic.Oh come off it! This is a great night, enjoy it for what it is and leave your negativity for tomorrow
I get your point, lets hope we can get some of it back soonDon't get me wrong, I'll keep fond memories of the game, but I guess I've just been to too many games this year where I felt like a fraction of that energy could have gone a long way, yet the football has made fans a bit apathetic.
I believe you still need a new coach though. Are there any rumors or are you "stuck" with Terzic should you qualify for CL?I get your point, lets hope we can get some of it back soon
Whenever I read the name Hasebe I think "like that guy back from the day when Wolfsburg were champions"... yeah, it's himEnd of an era incoming... Makoto Hasebe will end his active career in the summer (age 40). A true legend in German football, has won the league, the cup and the Europa League, while playing for Wolfsburg and Frankfurt and not one of the usual big clubs. Always was a model professional and a humble man.
Great game. I was wishing the semi final 2nd leg would be at Signa Iduna but found it would be in Paris.A great evening tonight, but also a little bittersweet. There can be so much energy in this stadium, enough to affect the players, but aside from today you would hardly ever have noticed it, because the team's football has killed off so much of the fan's enthusiasm.
To be honest it is also a bit surprising.I think German football is criminally underrated in this forum.
If the Bundesliga is as shite as most people on here believe then why are almost all of their teams doing well in Europe?
Bayern and Dortmund in the CL semis, Leverkusen in the EL semis, potentially winning it and even Leipzig really gave Real a challenge.
First of all we have no idea what the leadership at the club will even look like. We know that Watzke intends to step away from running the daily business and according to reports it seems all but guaranteed that Mislintat will return in some technical director role, but beyond that everything is up in the air as far as press reports go and the rumours reach from Kehl simply getting promoted to him getting passed over / sacked and even Zorc returning or Watzke postponing his retirement for another year in order to make sure it's a smooth transition rather than chaos.I believe you still need a new coach though. Are there any rumors or are you "stuck" with Terzic should you qualify for CL?
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I'm aware that it's a lazy opinion, but I don't think it's a very good idea to appoint someone, who doesn't already speak German. It can work with someone from a neighbouring country (classics would be Dutch or Austrians), who sometimes already speak a little German, but some complete outsider is bound to make some (cultural) miss steps and won't be able to fully defend himself in the media. Of course if success is there no one will bat an eyelid, but it's not all sunshine all the time for coaches, is it?Nagelsmann staying at DFB. Does that really mean de Zerbi to Bayern? I kinda doubt it, but there hasn't really been any other speculation.
De Zerbi is honestly the appointment I do not want to see. He's not a guaranteed hit but he very well could be a phenomenal coach with the right backing. Has the potential to be the best Bayern coach since Heynckes/Guardiola.Nagelsmann staying at DFB. Does that really mean de Zerbi to Bayern? I kinda doubt it, but there hasn't really been any other speculation.
That would be a complete and utter declaration of failure and half the team would probably want to leave. So it's not completely unlikely... Let me put it more optimistically: there are no leaks and, fortunately, the press finally doesn't know what's going on.Tuchel will win the CL and get offered a new contract, he would be the logical choice
While only playing two friendlies, there was a lot of positive comments about what happened in March. Feels a bit like he discovered how he can really do this job well, and the team reacted very positively around it. So it definitely was intented just as an interim solution for him, but I think I get why he changed his mind.Tweet
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Wow.. what a surprise!
I mean I get why the DFB rather acted quickly here, but the Mannschaft has shown nothing that would merit this comittment.
I think most people also assumed that this was just an opportunistic job to pass the time between jobs.
And of course it also doesn't happen ofter that Bayern seem to commit to someone from Germany and not get him.
He is a bit of "a character" and doesn't speak German... But his name is the only one really being floated in the media.De Zerbi is honestly the appointment I do not want to see. He's not a guaranteed hit but he very well could be a phenomenal coach with the right backing. Has the potential to be the best Bayern coach since Heynckes/Guardiola.
It's rather somewhere between a real money Kickbase and a betting portal for player development. It's hardly worse than sports betting since player development is at least a bit more predictable and long term oriented than match results. Or even worse, loot boxes in games like FIFA/EA FC.
Also, how many Dortmund fans do you think have spent money on BVB shares that they should rather have spent on more solid investments for their own good?
Besides that, do you even know what krypto/blockchain means? It's not automatically bad because it's krypto. It's essentially just a hack proof way of saving data.
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Have you met Austrians who do not speak German? I mean they talk funny and it's hard to understand them, but still.Tweet
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Wow.. what a surprise!
I mean I get why the DFB rather acted quickly here, but the Mannschaft has shown nothing that would merit this comittment.
I think most people also assumed that this was just an opportunistic job to pass the time between jobs for Nagelsmann.
And of course it also doesn't happen often that Bayern seem to commit to someone from Germany and not get him.
Hopefully he can build something after the Euros.
I'm aware that it's a lazy opinion, but I don't think it's a very good idea to appoint someone, who doesn't already speak German. It can work with someone from a neighbouring country (classics would be Dutch or Austrians), who sometimes already speak a little German, but some complete outsider is bound to make some (cultural) miss steps and won't be able to fully defend himself in the media. Of course if success is there no one will bat an eyelid, but it's not all sunshine all the time for coaches, is it?
Not sure why you're quoting me, I never argued it will be a success and honestly couldn't care less if it flopped or not. I just pointed out your double standards.
95%+ of krypto/NFTs etc. are scam.Not sure why you're quoting me, I never argued it will be a success and honestly couldn't care less if it flopped or not. I just pointed out your double standards.
Actually - it seems that parts of the board did not seem to fond of this idea - what influenced Nagelsmann and Struth, too.While only playing two friendlies, there was a lot of positive comments about what happened in March. Feels a bit like he discovered how he can really do this job well, and the team reacted very positively around it. So it definitely was intented just as an interim solution for him, but I think I get why he changed his mind.
Taking the Bayern job now after kicking some of their stars out of their national team and finally breaking with the eternal rule "Bayern's core is Germany's core" would probably have made both his start at Bayern difficult as well as the tournament itself.
Not quite the only one - that shiterag Bild doesn't get tired of trying to bring Zidane into the talk.He is a bit of "a character" and doesn't speak German... But his name is the only one really being floated in the media.
True and they also mentioned Rangnick. Both of whom I do not really see working at Bayern.Not quite the only one - that shiterag Bild doesn't get tired of trying to bring Zidane into the talk.
Don't get me wrong, I'm not defending that app or the krypto market in general and would be all for banning stuff like this from football entirely. My point is that currently 11 Bundesliga clubs are being sponsored by sports betting companies that annualy ruin existences on a scale krypto can only dream of and just like Tradar under the false pretense that you can earn money with your footballing knowdlege. And as far as I've seen, the Bundesliga itself and every single one of its clubs is also happily participating in EA's marketing machinerie that promotes all the newest EA FC content with the sole purpose of swindling underage fans into spending hundreds or even thousands of euros on unsellable digital collectibles that have a lifecycle of a few months. All that by subjecting minors to gambling mechanisms the law should actually protect them from but doesn't because of legal loopholes nobody seems to mind. That aside, it is quite ironic that this point is brought up by a fan of the only German club with shares being traded at the stock exchange. I wonder where this moral compass was when Dortmund had their IPO, effectively burning the savings of fans who only bought shares out of sentiment.95%+ of krypto/NFTs etc. are scam.
While I fundamentally agree with you, the Dortmund shares should be viewed differently for me. Fans have at least given their money to their club and not to some shady company. I've worked in finance for almost 20 years and have seen some truly appalling things. A call for more regulation to protect retail investors always resonates with me.Don't get me wrong, I'm not defending that app or the krypto market in general and would be all for banning stuff like this from football entirely. My point is that currently 11 Bundesliga clubs are being sponsored by sports betting companies that annualy ruin existences on a scale krypto can only dream of and just like Tradar under the false pretense that you can earn money with your footballing knowdlege. And as far as I've seen, the Bundesliga itself and every single one of its clubs is also happily participating in EA's marketing machinerie that promotes all the newest EA FC content with the sole purpose of swindling underage fans into spending hundreds or even thousands of euros on unsellable digital collectibles that have a lifecycle of a few months. All that by subjecting minors to gambling mechanisms the law should actually protect them from but doesn't because of legal loopholes nobody seems to mind. That aside, it is quite ironic that this point is brought up by a fan of the only German club with shares being traded at the stock exchange. I wonder where this moral compass was when Dortmund had their IPO, effectively burning the savings of fans who only bought shares out of sentiment.
I see where you're coming from regarding Dortmund. I just think that when you have an IPO as a football club, it is clear that your shares will be bought by people who have no experience with the stock market and only do so out of sentiment and not objective reasoning. It is to be expected that the average shareholder won't fall as soft and probably hasn't managed his finances as carefully as it can be expected in case of other industries. If you then go ahead and pursue a very risky financial strategy on the transfer market, at the very least you've not been very caring or sensisble to their motivations. Of course you can argue that this is the responsibility of the shareholder himself but the founders of Tradar would probably argue the same, pointing to the risk disclosures every user agreed to. But as said, I see your point.While I fundamentally agree with you, the Dortmund shares should be viewed differently for me. Fans have at least given their money to their club and not to some shady company. I've worked in finance for almost 20 years and have seen some truly appalling things. A call for more regulation to protect retail investors always resonates with me.
Your problem with plastic.coin was that it was supported by clubs you don't like. Your opinions are predictable and foregone conclusions.The stock market is still nothing like a crypto ponzi scheme.
Even betting isn't. Sports bets are a fair wager, some people can do it for profit. The problem is gambling addiction. The problem with plastic.coin was that it's a ponzi scheme.
Always with the ad hominem.Your problem with plastic.coin was that it was supported by clubs you don't like. Your opinions are predictable and foregone conclusions.
That on top. Definitely enough reasons not to go back now for Nagelsmann.Actually - it seems that parts of the board did not seem to fond of this idea - what influenced Nagelsmann and Struth, too.
Thanks, Kalle (who likes a fine brand of "ball possession football" and I think cannot stand one bit of Struth... (Nagelsmann's and Kroos' manager)
In a ponzi scheme, the scammer promises the first investor a return after a certain time and when he wants to see said return, the scammer pays him out with the money he received from a second investor and so forth. It breaks down once the influx of new investors breaks down because without fresh money, you can't pay out the last investor. That's fundamentally different from Tradar since Tradar legally doesn't owe the users one penny. Which means they don't have to become insolvent to eradicate any monetary claims against them, those claims simply don't exist. Moreover, with the platform being the only source of income they have, it only makes sense to shut it down if they burnt through their cash reserves before becoming profitable so they can no longer afford its operational costs. That aside, the token values are in fact tied to the real life players because the users are awarded with ticket discounts and similar incentives if the real life players perform well. You may argue it is a very loose connection and I agree but it is a connection.Always with the ad hominem.
My problem was and is that the idea that some shitcoin's value is tied to a player's development or performances just because you name it after them is idiotic and thus the whole idea was a ponzi scheme. Which, by the way, we already saw play out when football index cost people a lot of money.
So it's not a Ponzi scheme, because Tradar doesn't owe anyone money, but also the tokens are tied to real life player values, because "someone" owes the owners returns, such as ticket discounts.In a ponzi scheme, the scammer promises the first investor a return after a certain time and when he wants to see said return, the scammer pays him out with the money he received from a second investor and so forth. It breaks down once the influx of new investors breaks down because without fresh money, you can't pay out the last investor. That's fundamentally different from Tradar since Tradar legally doesn't owe the users one penny. Which means they don't have to become insolvent to eradicate any monetary claims against them, those claims simply don't exist. Moreover, with the platform being the only source of income they have, it only makes sense to shut it down if they burnt through their cash reserves before becoming profitable so they can no longer afford its operational costs. That aside, the token values are in fact tied to the real life players because the users are awarded with ticket discounts and similar incentives if the real life players perform well. You may argue it is a very loose connection and I agree but it is a connection.
https://www.theguardian.com/footbal...sers-are-still-trying-to-get-their-money-backAnd I'm becoming ad hominem because the double standards you display on this topic can only be explained with antipathy motivated ignorance. Honestly, this whole Tradar story is completely harmless in comparison to the betting industry, let alone what's happening in games like EA FC or Call of Duty. There are fourteen year olds who burn multiple thousands of Euros every year for EA FC. And not because they are dumb but because the operators of these games put algorithms that alter the pack "luck" to make them addicted to pack openings as soon as possible. And each Bundesliga club, let alone the league itself, can't wait to share all these fancy new player cards on their Instagram channels. You argue sports betting is somehwat okay to advertise because you theoretically can make profits from it? EA FC is basically operating a gambling hall for minors in which they have to pay to play the slot machines but have to leave their profits there because THAT would it make it illegal.
A Ponzi scheme works like that: You lend me €1000 for my brillant business and one year later, I'll give you €1500 back. During that year, I convince another friend to lend me €1000 and pay you your €1500 when it is due. I can keep this going until I run out of people to lend from. Then I declare insolvency and if I get away with it, the payment claims against me will be nullified. But when there are no payment claims against me (as in case of Tradar) why declare insolvency in the first place? They could just have kept selling tokens. Most likely, they just didn't sell enough of them to maintain a positive cash flow. Not all failed company are scams. Some are just shitty business ideas. Which sucks for the people who were dumb enough to buy tokens because now they possess tokens without any platform to trade them on. But as said, no Ponzi scheme. It is rather comparable with buying a smartphone in the early access of a crowd funding campaign and then the company behind it goes bankrupt, rendering the bought smartphone useless.So it's not a Ponzi scheme, because Tradar doesn't owe anyone money, but also the tokens are tied to real life players value, because "someone" owes the owners returns, such as ticket discounts.
I have absolutely no issue with your criticism of Tradar as long as you aren't singeling out a few clubs when all of them happily accept money generated from worse practices. But your moral compass seems to be much more sensitive when there is a so called plastic club involved.https://www.theguardian.com/footbal...sers-are-still-trying-to-get-their-money-back
I don't think anyone is happy about betting sponsors or EA's predatory practices, but you're just using them in order to deflect.
I'm aware how a Ponzi scheme works. You can say it's rather a pyramid scheme, because legally it may not be striaght up fraud, but that distinction makes little difference to me.A Ponzi scheme works like that: You lend me €1000 for my brillant business and one year later, I'll give you €1500 back. During that year, I convince another friend to lend me €1000 and pay you your €1500 when it is due. I can keep this going until I run out of people to lend from. Then I declare insolvency and if I get away with it, the payment claims against me will be nullified. But when there are no payment claims against me (as in case of Tradar) why declare insolvency in the first place? They could just have kept selling tokens. Probably, they just didn't sell enough to maintain a positive cash flow. Not all failed company are scams. Some are just shitty business ideas.
I guess technically, it could still have been a Ponzi scheme, though. But that would require that they scammed their venture capitalists/business angels. Which is not impossible but usually they aren't that dumb.
Someone pitched these clubs "we want to copy that pyramid scheme that cost fans in losses in the 9 figure region. Want to help us sell it to your fans?" And they said yes, probably for a sum that's pocket change to them.I have absolutely no issue with your criticism of Tradar as long as you aren't singeling out a few clubs when all of them happily accept money generated from worse practices. But your moral compass seems to be much more sensitive when there is a so called plastic club involved.