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So if VAR actually did it's job properly we'd have won 6-2 instead of 4-1. VAR costing us again!! Goal differences might matter at the end!
 
Dumbstar said:
So if VAR actually did it's job properly we'd have won 6-2 instead of 4-1. VAR costing us again!! Goal differences might matter at the end!
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If the refs and VAR did their job properly you wouldnt be top of the league, you would probably be 3rd at best
 
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How the feck has the VAR not intervened for that Arsenal penno? It's a fairly obvious dive.

I am pro VAR in general but fecking hell they have made an absolute bollocks of implementing it. Nearly every match there is a shit decision.
 
Reapersoul20 said:
How the feck has the VAR not intervened for that Arsenal penno? It's a fairly obvious dive.

I am pro VAR in general but fecking hell they have made an absolute bollocks of implementing it. Nearly every match there is a shit decision.
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Nah mate, the 'independent' panel said they've been getting 96% of decisions right.
 
RedRocket9908 said:
How is this not a penalty?

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Liverpool. Sorry. LiVARpool. Incredible how lucky they are with decisions every game. It has become a parody. It is impossible for other teams in games when you know that you’ll not get anything against them.

Liverpool and Arsenal are the most lucky teams when it comes to decisions.
 
90 + 5min said:
Liverpool. Sorry. LiVARpool. Incredible how lucky they are with decisions every game. It has become a parody. It is impossible for other teams in games when you know that you’ll not get anything against them.

Liverpool and Arsenal are the most lucky teams when it comes to decisions.
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They’re actually statistically the teams that benefit the most from VAR.
 
Another undisguised helping hand for Liverpool as City are denied a stonewall penalty in injury time at 1-1 against Chelsea. It's hard to take it seriously anymore. The plan is so obvious.

Kinda hard to claim his hand is in a natural position when he's using it to pull a City player's shirt. It's basically two penalties in one.
 
Dansk said:
Another undisguised helping hand for Liverpool as City are denied a stonewall penalty in injury time at 1-1 against Chelsea. It's hard to take it seriously anymore. The plan is so obvious.

Kinda hard to claim his hand is in a natural position when he's using it to pull a City player's shirt. It's basically two penalties in one.
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That was never a handball.
 
RedRocket9908 said:
That was never a City penalty
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Would you care to explain why you think so? He handles the ball, and he does so because he's pulling an opponent's shirt to prevent him from heading the ball. In what insane, deluded mindset is that something players should just be allowed to do? It really beggars belief. Football fans truly are out of their minds half the time.
 
Dansk said:
Another undisguised helping hand for Liverpool as City are denied a stonewall penalty in injury time at 1-1 against Chelsea. It's hard to take it seriously anymore. The plan is so obvious.

Kinda hard to claim his hand is in a natural position when he's using it to pull a City player's shirt. It's basically two penalties in one.
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Foul maybe, handball never
 
Dansk said:
Would you care to explain why you think so? He handles the ball, and he does so because he's pulling an opponent's shirt to prevent him from heading the ball. In what insane, deluded mindset is that something players should just be allowed to do? It really beggars belief. Football fans truly are out of their minds half the time.
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It isnt a handball because it hits Dias arm first then the defenders chest then dias's shoulder then makes contact with the defenders arm.
 
Dansk said:
Another undisguised helping hand for Liverpool as City are denied a stonewall penalty in injury time at 1-1 against Chelsea. It's hard to take it seriously anymore. The plan is so obvious.

Kinda hard to claim his hand is in a natural position when he's using it to pull a City player's shirt. It's basically two penalties in one.
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That's a massive reach
 
Dansk said:
Another undisguised helping hand for Liverpool as City are denied a stonewall penalty in injury time at 1-1 against Chelsea. It's hard to take it seriously anymore. The plan is so obvious.

Kinda hard to claim his hand is in a natural position when he's using it to pull a City player's shirt. It's basically two penalties in one.
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Bit of a reach, mate.
 
Honestly, is there a worse ref in the league than michael oliver? There seems to be a controversy in almost every game he takes, and it somehow always leads to some pundit trotting a line out about him being 'our best referee'. It's as if this mental catchphrase absolves him of any standard. Hes genuinely dreadful and I say that discounting how awful he is for United. Every game, even as a neutral, there seems to be something with him.
 
RedRocket9908 said:
Former Villa and Liverpool player Stephen Warnock desperatly trying to make out Casemiro should have been ruled offside instead of the corner being awarded that led to our goal




Dermot says this is a pen under the current rules

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Why is there even a debate about a free kick which led to a corner ?
 
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Absolutely hate it when fans do that. Look, here was a bad decision, let’s make more of those! If you think the Højlund one was not a penalty, you should be happy that City didn’t get one today (frankly you should either way cause why would a United fan want City to win that game).
 
Jev said:
Absolutely hate it when fans do that. Look, here was a bad decision, let’s make more of those! If you think the Højlund one was not a penalty, you should be happy that City didn’t get one today (frankly you should either way cause why would a United fan want City to win that game).
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Why? Fans are just pointing out that we are being treated differently.

thisisnottaken1 said:
They’re actually statistically the teams that benefit the most from VAR.
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Some people would argue differently. However, we only need to look at games to see which teams are lucky with decisions and which are not.
 
Jev said:
Absolutely hate it when fans do that. Look, here was a bad decision, let’s make more of those! If you think the Højlund one was not a penalty, you should be happy that City didn’t get one today (frankly you should either way cause why would a United fan want City to win that game).
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His point is that the one against United shouldn't have been given, surely?
 
Withnail said:
His point is that the one against United shouldn't have been given, surely?
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The point seems to be that because a soft penalty was once given against United, we should continue to give soft penalties for eternity because balance. It’s just a daft way of making your point.
 
Jev said:
The point seems to be that because a soft penalty was once given against United, we should continue to give soft penalties for eternity because balance. It’s just a daft way of making your point.
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It’s literally the opposite point and that’s already been pointed out to you. If that was not a penalty today, why the feck was the Højlund one given?
 
Jev said:
The point seems to be that because a soft penalty was once given against United, we should continue to give soft penalties for eternity because balance. It’s just a daft way of making your point.
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I'm interpreting the opposite way. It doesn't make logical sense for Motty to want soft pens to be given to City.
 
Pexbo said:
It’s literally the opposite point and that’s already been pointed out to you. If that was not a penalty today, why the feck was the Højlund one given?
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Because a bad decision was made. The fact that the referee then makes the correct call in a similar situation in another game doesn’t make the call against United better or worse.
 
Jev said:
Because a bad decision was made. The fact that the referee then makes the correct call in a similar situation in another game doesn’t make the call against United better or worse.
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Pretty sure we’ve been on the wrong end of a dozen or so decisions this year of bad calls that are technically correct and were told are correct after the fact?
can’t criticise a fanbase for pointing it out when we’re literally told by the powers that be that these aren’t mistakes and we have nothing to cry about
 
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cyberman said:
Pretty sure we’ve been on the wrong end of a dozen or so decisions this year of bad decisions that are technically correct and were told are correct after the fact?
can’t criticise a fanbase for pointing it out when we’re literally told by the owners that be that these aren’t mistakes and we have nothing to cry about
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Wasn’t there a stat recently showing that we are one of the teams who have benefitted the most from VAR decisions this season?

My gut instinct from watching us this season is also that we’ve been a little hard done by, but let’s face it, none of us are objective, and every single fan of every single club feels that way.

EDIT: Sorry, misremembered that one, apparently it showed Liverpool have been most hard done by.
 
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Jev said:
Was’t there a stat recently showing that we are one of the teams who have benefitted the most from VAR decisions this season?

My gut instinct from watching us this season is also that we’ve been a little hard done by, but let’s face it, none of us are objective, and every single fan of every single club feels that way.

EDIT: Sorry, misremembered that one, apparently it showed Liverpool have been most hard done by.
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Fake stats and news. Nonsens and nobody can actually believe their results.

You don't have to be some scientist to see which teams benefit from decisions and VAR.
 
90 + 5min said:
Fake stats and news. Nonsens and nobody can actually believe their results.

You don't have to be some scientist to see which teams benefit from decisions and VAR.
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You’re seriously going with ‘fake news’ over some ESPN stats that don’t correspond with your eye test?
 
Jev said:
Absolutely hate it when fans do that. Look, here was a bad decision, let’s make more of those! If you think the Højlund one was not a penalty, you should be happy that City didn’t get one today (frankly you should either way cause why would a United fan want City to win that game).
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You’ve missed his point. Which is that this penalty not being given confirms we were fecked over by the referee/VAR when we played City. An incident that wasn’t counted as an incorrect decision by VAR in that article last week which tried to work out which clubs had been most hard done by.

See also the handball we were denied when we played Spurs.
 
Pogue Mahone said:
You’ve missed his point. Which is that this penalty not being given confirms we were fecked over by the referee/VAR when we played City. An incident that wasn’t counted as an incorrect decision by VAR in that article last week which tried to work out which clubs had been most hard done by.
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But nobody needed that confirmation. We all knew the Rodri penalty was soft. A correct decision in a similar situation shouldn’t be a cause for surprise or outrage. Again, it’s just a daft way to make that point. England fans don’t go around posting a screenshot of the Lampard non-goal vs Germany every time a goal is awarded.
 
Jev said:
But nobody needed that confirmation. We all knew the Rodri penalty was soft. A correct decision in a similar situation shouldn’t be a cause for surprise or outrage. Again, it’s just a daft way to make that point. England fans don’t go around posting a screenshot of the Lampard non-goal vs Germany every time a goal is awarded.
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Apparently not. As I said, in the article you referenced where Liverpool came out as the team most fecked over that City penalty wasn’t considered an unfair or incorrect call.
 
Pogue Mahone said:
Apparently not. As I said, in the article you referenced where Liverpool came out as the team most fecked over that City penalty wasn’t considered an unfair or incorrect call.
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Yep, this is the point.

Absolutely nothing wrong with some United fans making those points as, otherwise, who the hell is going to do it? The manager / club don't. The media only highlight decisions that go in our favour, and are noticeably silent / dismissive when we've been screwed. Now there's an article / study claiming those terrible decisions that went against us were actually correct.

As I said, nothing wrong with some United fans actually putting the other side out there for once and fighting the myth that we get far more decisions in our favour.
 
Jev said:
Wasn’t there a stat recently showing that we are one of the teams who have benefitted the most from VAR decisions this season?

My gut instinct from watching us this season is also that we’ve been a little hard done by, but let’s face it, none of us are objective, and every single fan of every single club feels that way.

EDIT: Sorry, misremembered that one, apparently it showed Liverpool have been most hard done by.
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I’d understand if there was uproar or some acknowledgment of always being on the wrong side of decisions that are rarely given but are consistently given against us, but there’s not? It’s constantly being justified and you can’t really blame people for pointing it out. Casemiro would have been booked / red is a meme but it’s 100 percent true.
It’s just frustration but it’s a constant theme throughout the season.Football is a lot more comfortable than it should be with hanging Utd out to dry as examples of how the rules can be applied in their strictest sense.
 
That ESPN article was utterly preposterous. They said we were net positive in VAR decisions. Zero decisions incorrect against us and two in our favour which were incorrect.

One was the Onana one which we then saw two of the same incidents the following match day, neither of which were mentioned in those stats. The second was the Havertz dive which Taylor gave and VAR overruled. The commentators were in agreement it was a dive, Mike fecking Dean said it was a dive, Dermot fecking Gallagher said it was a dive but apparently that was objectively a bad decision and was included in those stats as a VAR mistake.

No mention of Højlund getting hauled to the floor by Gabriel with zero challenge for the ball. No mention of Garnacho having two hands around his waist pull him back and literally pick him up with zero challenge for the ball. No mention of Højlund’s disallowed goal where there was no clear view of the ball actually out of play but VAR guessed and ruled it out setting a precedent which was completely ignored the next time it happened and they decided that actually when you don’t have a conclusive angle you cannot rule the goal out. Twice.
 
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