In fairness we were constantly battering through the back of Morris miles from goal as if he was some kind of epic threat.
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In fairness we were constantly battering through the back of Morris miles from goal as if he was some kind of epic threat.
Pretty much the same as Woodrow earlier on in the game, on a yellow and late into a challenge. Didn't generate any comments though.
We weren't though. Once or twice, maybe. Other than that it was bog standard close defending that happens so many times in every game it barely registers. I think it was the worst reffing performance of the season.
On ref watch tomorrow will they ask why Woodrow was not sent off.
Booked for delaying a free kick, then he's tackle on Harry Maguire.
Also Morris constantly looking for yellow cards.
I'm sure Casemiro will be covered in depth, once again.
Booked for delaying a free kick, then he's tackle on Harry Maguire.
Also Morris constantly looking for yellow cards.
I'm sure Casemiro will be covered in depth, once again.
Dermot says Ivan Toney should indeed have had a penalty
Also Newcastle penalty was correct, this is an interesting one.
Also Newcastle penalty was correct, this is an interesting one.
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An inconsistent area of focus as usual though which is the issue
The Newcastle one makes no sense to me.
We're told puiling offences at corners/free kicks only matter if the player has a chance to play the ball, but in this instance he can't play the ball so he's not offside?
To be fairto Dermot, I don't even think he believes what he's saying on that one.
We're told puiling offences at corners/free kicks only matter if the player has a chance to play the ball, but in this instance he can't play the ball so he's not offside?
To be fairto Dermot, I don't even think he believes what he's saying on that one.
Dissent has always been one of the most inconsistent bookings, and is probably the hardest thing to be consistent on unless you blanket ban just about everything.
The issue voiced in this thread doesn't seem to be a general inconsistency, but that United are getting targeted. Conspiracies, corruption, et cetera.
I used to be firmly in this camp for a very long time. However, when you have Michael Oliver, et al. willingly accepting c. 25-35% of their salary (declared amount) to referee Sunday League level games in the Middle East, paid for by the owners of two clubs who are already extensively involved in corruption, money laundering and financial doping, it is not implausible that there is corruption in the league.
When you add in that there is literally billions of pounds flying about in the EPL across transfer fees, player salaries, TV licencing , while the referees earn in a year, what Marcus Rashford will earn this week by Wednesday teatime, that is also another significant risk factor for corruption given the massive disparity between in pay and the power disparity referees control over game outcomes.
A lot of it will come down to less sinister factors. There is ultimately less scrutiny on refereeing decisions when they matter less on the outcome of the title. United haven't been relevant to the EPL title race since 2012/13. That attracts less media attention. The referees therefore have less pressure and unconscious bias giving decisions against United. That has shifted the weight of what we, as United's fanbase, have historically been used to.
Similarly, a lot of referees are obviously big football fans. United have been the most successful team in English football for the past 30 years. That creates a lot of bad sentiment among referees likely to also contribute to unconscious bias.
The fact United haven't called out the decisions in the same way City, Liverpool, Arsenal and even Burnley and Sheffield have means there's no accountability at all for referees.
We're just an easy touch.
Dermot says the referee was correct to not show Casrmiro a 2nd yellow
I’m sure he didn’t mind the 9 mins added on at Old Trafford when we were winning 1-0, the moaning fecker
"He may think it's a penalty but not enough of an error to overrule the referee"
Highlighting once again the absolute insanity of the framework these poor dopes are forced to work in. How can giving no penalty when it was a penalty not be a clear and obvious error?
At the very least the ref should have been sent to the monitor.
Yeah this has come up before and makes sense to me. I've no idea what the three of them are talking about though. The argument that the defender is forced to commit the foul because he's off-side is just nonsense.
The rules are set up that you're not offside til you impact the play and offside decisions, in general, are better for it. This is a consequence of that and the defender shouldn't be pulling his shirt at all.
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Refs Mic'd up
Solanke goal v West Ham
Jack Harrison goal v Spurs
Solanke goal v West Ham
Jack Harrison goal v Spurs
Absolute jebend!
Absolutely nothing happened in the 2nd half that warranted more added time than that. No goals, no injuries, no meaningful stoppages of any kind. It's insufferable that people keep spewing these ABU conspiracy lies based on literally nothing. They're so eager for a narrative where the refs help United that they'll just make up whatever nonsense they want to justify that. It's one thing when random fans do it, but a fecking PL manager? Beyond pathetic.
And that was after a game where the ref gave them absolutely everything and was bizarrely harsh on United. What a cretin. And nobody will hold him to task for it because people celebrate this sort of idiotic drivel.
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We made three of our subs during the first half or half-time so there's not even that.
French refs will have mics soon to explain VAR decisions.
FIFA approved trying this out. It was requested by French officials those past few months / years.
FIFA approved trying this out. It was requested by French officials those past few months / years.
That was onside.
When in doubt, take Liverpool side. Else the media blowback will be terrible
Can't halt the Klopp farewell tour.
I'm fecking sick of Liverpool getting dodgy offside decisions in their favour versus us in finals.
I love VAR
It's not the NBA, you can't play blatant screens blocking off people.
All Endo had to do was take a few steps with him and slow him and it's still a goal. Instead he made it blatant and just stood there and bumped him.
All Endo had to do was take a few steps with him and slow him and it's still a goal. Instead he made it blatant and just stood there and bumped him.
Even that wouldn't have been the issue. Issue was Endo was offside and this interfering with play.
It was a good spot by VAR but these instances are not consistent.
there has been a precedent for VAR to intervene in similar scenarios
Clever pick out as I doubt anyone noticed first watch.
Chelsea got a goal disallowed
Liverpool got a goal disallowed
I wonder which one media is picking up and talking about? Ridiculous.
Liverpool got a goal disallowed
I wonder which one media is picking up and talking about? Ridiculous.
75% of the vid is just showing how we benefited from decisions 
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.After every match Klopp takes a swipe at referees and then VAR benefits Liverpool in next match.
75% of the vid is just showing how we benefited from decisions
That’s ridiculous….it suggests that a few clubs have had one or two decisions go their way over 20 years and we have had dozens.
Two questions about the goals disallowed yesterday.
Did they show the lines for the call on Chelsea's goal being offside? I didn't see them and it looked very tight.
Why didn't they just give the Enzo block as a foul rather than offside, which seemed way more complicated rules-wise?
Did they show the lines for the call on Chelsea's goal being offside? I didn't see them and it looked very tight.
Why didn't they just give the Enzo block as a foul rather than offside, which seemed way more complicated rules-wise?
It probably didn't rise to the level of a foul in all honesty. That kind of thing happens on every set piece constantly.
That makes sense, but kind of makes it weirder that he was deemed active but his actions were not significant enough to be a foul and you hardly ever get done for being active unless you're right in the keeper's face and even then, hardly ever. He took the defender's attention granted, but seems like they were levelling up the really tight offside goal, which they didn't show the lines for dodgily.
I hate complex or stupid rules that need explaining, eg when that Middlesbrough player in the FA cup did a blatant handball but wasn't penalised cos he crossed it for the goal, rather than scored himself.
Well he was interfering with play therefore offside. He quite clearly blocked off the defenders run and wasn't even looking at the ball. If it isn't a foul it should be.
As for the handball thing, they changed that a while back. It's absolutely ridiculous if you ask me. Score and it's a foul, pass to someone who scores and it's all good. Nonsense.
I had a bet yesterday on an MLS game (Houston vs someone). Needed a goal before halftime to cash a big parlay. 42nd minute and i get the goal update only to later see it was ruled out for offside. I go search for the replay online and the goal looks onside. I still can't understand how VAR can overturn an objectively correct decision. If they can't even get offsides correct then we might as well bin the whole thing.
How does it look onside?
Did you see how they determined that or were you looking at a standard replay, which to your eye can make a player look further ahead or behind than they actually are due to perspective distortion?
He did more than take the defender's attention, he physically blocked him from marking Van Dijk who wound up scoring. Again, not to the extent that it'd ever be a foul, but Endo literally never even looked at the ball and was purely there to obstruct - but by definition this makes him involved in the play and it's therefore offside.
Don't think this was a make-up call - honestly would prefer that this sort of thing be legislated properly, especially as Man City especially have made it a feature of their set pieces.
This sort of decision has been looked at, or given, exactly zero times before Liverpool were involved and will be given exactly zero times after this game. Unless Liverpool are to be punished for it again of course.
https://www.manchestereveningnews.c...anchester-united-varane-goal-burnley-23031921
Yeah sorry but you are entirely incorrect
Varane had one against Burnley and and McTominay against Fulham.
https://www.goal.com/en-gb/news/man...ar-offside-premier-league/bltc63376ceb4240825
Both Maguire in an offside position, coincidentally. Or not, the lazy feck.