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We paid £80m. I know his stock has fallen in recent times but he is not a bad player. One of the first names on England team sheets after Kane/Sterling and we shouldn’t be giving him away just because we want him out.
That said he should also be actively looking for a new club, it’s in everyone’s best interests at this point. He needs a change.
 

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The thing with Maguire is if you play a high line he is at best a 10 million pound defender, if you just sit back like the bottom 10 clubs do in the league he’s probably a 40 million pound defender. He’s just not good enough for the top clubs. His long pass distribution is decent but he’s just a clusterfeck playing a high line and attempting short range passes.

if he just went back to the Tony Adams style instead of trying to play like iniesta every time at center back he could actually be decent. He needs to cut out the short passes and just clear it or concentrate on the long passes when he can and could be decent.
 
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I believe that 30-35M is a good price. He'll probably will want a sign-on bonus for the decrease in his wages (so that's another 10M for the buying team).
40-45M for good ol' Harry is the higher that any team would pay.
 

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Yeah people have lost their minds thinking we’ll get that when you factor in form, age, wages etc.
The market has lost its mind when you're paying over 100m for Declan Rice. It seems these days you need to cough up at least 30m for any old shitter. Maguire as much as he doesn't fit our team will be extremely useful for teams that play a different way, he has good value and I'd be disappointed if we didn't get at least 45m.

We are notoriously shocking at selling players but if you look at the market this is a good price for Maguire.
 

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The market has lost its mind when you're paying over 100m for Declan Rice. It seems these days you need to cough up at least 30m for any old shitter. Maguire as much as he doesn't fit our team will be extremely useful for teams that play a different way, he has good value and I'd be disappointed if we didn't get at least 45m.

We are notoriously shocking at selling players but if you look at the market this is a good price for Maguire.
The man is a walking meme he has next to zero value.

We as a fanbase can't sit here hounding him out on one hand and expecting massive fees on the other.

Declan Rice, ridiculous was the fee but he himself was wanted where he was.
 

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The man is a walking meme he has next to zero value.

We as a fanbase can't sit here hounding him out on one hand and expecting massive fees on the other.

Declan Rice, ridiculous was the fee but he himself was wanted where he was.
Because he gets exposed due to how we play. If we played like West Ham people would be singing his praises for sure. This is why he came to United for 80m. We didn't pay that for nothing, as disgustingly shite our recruitment is, there was a small amount of logic behind the huge fee.

Also, it is not a massive fee in relation to the market. In relation to what we sell players for, it's massive, but in relation to the market it's probably below his true value.
 

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In this crazy market, we should ask for 55m and settle for 45-50m

Maguire will be very useful for some PL teams
The market is crazy but so is your opinion. I've asked this question a few times in this thread but no one has provided me with an answer. Maybe you can try.

Name me a player purchased by a mid table club for £30m (a lot less than you're suggesting)over 30 years old on over £180k pw?
 

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35-40 million would be a fantastic haul for him, considering that he's slow as hell and makes mental errors every time he's on the pitch.

Like another poster has said, he could do a good job for a bottom half team that parks the bus. You cannot play a high line with this oaf because he simply doesn't have the athleticism to cope with that.

At this point I think we'll probably have to settle for 30 million at best, though. I'd rather take that now than be stuck with him for another season.
 

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The market has lost its mind when you're paying over 100m for Declan Rice. It seems these days you need to cough up at least 30m for any old shitter. Maguire as much as he doesn't fit our team will be extremely useful for teams that play a different way, he has good value and I'd be disappointed if we didn't get at least 45m.

We are notoriously shocking at selling players but if you look at the market this is a good price for Maguire.
I really don’t disagree with you - Maguire can be an asset for the right team/set up and the market is bonkers but outside of the top 4/6 - I doubt anyone is paying circa £200k per week in wages. And that’s for a 30 year old. Let’s face it, it’s highly unlikely any of the other top 6 clubs will come in for maguire. So in your scenario, we’d get 40-45m and we’d still need to compensate 10m of those to maguire for his wage differential. So in the end, we’re not netting more than 30m or so for him. That’s at the upper end imo.
 

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We paid £80m. I know his stock has fallen in recent times but he is not a bad player. One of the first names on England team sheets after Kane/Sterling and we shouldn’t be giving him away just because we want him out.
That said he should also be actively looking for a new club, it’s in everyone’s best interests at this point. He needs a change.
We fecked it up though.

If we paid 1 billion for the same Maguire, we couldn’t say hey let’s sell for a fair price of 500m, cause we paid 1 billion.

How much we paid has nothing to do with how much he will be sold. Anything above 25m-30m and no one will try to buy him.
 

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The market is crazy but so is your opinion. I've asked this question a few times in this thread but no one has provided me with an answer. Maybe you can try.

Name me a player purchased by a mid table club for £30m (a lot less than you're suggesting)over 30 years old on over £180k pw?
Even simpler than that: no CB who is 30 or more has ever gone for above 30 million.

We bought a far superior serial winner 28 years old Raphael Varane for 34m. But somehow some deluded people think that a meme fifth choice 30 years old CB is gonna fetch 50m. If we get half of that, it is a good business.
 

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The market is crazy but so is your opinion. I've asked this question a few times in this thread but no one has provided me with an answer. Maybe you can try.

Name me a player purchased by a mid table club for £30m (a lot less than you're suggesting)over 30 years old on over £180k pw?
Valid point, it doesn't happen.

But Maguire is a pretty unusual sale.

How often does Englands starting CB, the most expensive CB in British football, get sold at 30 years of age?

It's a rare situation full stop so I can see the transfer fee bucking the usual trend. Not £50 million of course but I think £30 million is possible.
 

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It’s a bit scary now. All the rumours have disappeared…ominous vibes all over….the intro for the seasons rolls on the tv…flyover Old Trafford…United chants mixed with pictures of the new signings….happy fans outside Stratford End…then..abruptly…an alarming sound…close up of Harry looking straight into the camera…evil smile…and then his hand around his ear…trailer voice…”Another season, still here”
 

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As with half our squad we struggle to attract a high fee because the players contracts are huge. West Ham will have to pay Maguire around the 200k a week range, they aren’t offering 40m on top

25m offer and get rid. He’s going to be 5th choice CB (6th possibly with Evans staying) and will be worth nothing next summer.
 

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Valid point, it doesn't happen.

But Maguire is a pretty unusual sale.

How often does Englands starting CB, the most expensive CB in British football, get sold at 30 years of age?

It's a rare situation full stop so I can see the transfer fee bucking the usual trend. Not £50 million of course but I think £30 million is possible.
He's in England because of some coincidentally aligning circumstances. Not because he's that good

If he's that good as the caf narated, where are other offer?
 

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I believe that 30-35M is a good price. He'll probably will want a sign-on bonus for the decrease in his wages (so that's another 10M for the buying team).
40-45M for good ol' Harry is the higher that any team would pay.
Why would the buying team be paying the 10m? The selling team would be paying it.
 

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Still can't believe we rejected the £20m bid.

Move him on, sign Evans for a year as 4th/5th choice.

Sign a young, long term CB next summer.
 

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If we keep him he’ll probably lose £10m in transfer value over the year and cost £10m in wages. Cost of £20m. Divide that by the number of games you think he’ll play and then ask yourself if he’s worth that much per game.
 

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Even simpler than that: no CB who is 30 or more has ever gone for above 30 million.

We bought a far superior serial winner 28 years old Raphael Varane for 34m. But somehow some deluded people think that a meme fifth choice 30 years old CB is gonna fetch 50m. If we get half of that, it is a good business.
I know mate. I've asked my question to a few different posters. Pretty much all of them have ignored me. I think when they read it and look for an answer, they realize their own stupidity so don't bother with a reply.
 

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I find it hilarious that clubs selling their players set the price and extract as much out of the buyer as possible but two weeks later turn up to buy players expecting the selling club to roll over at their paltry fee offer!

Fans talk about Utd offering high salaries which makes it difficult to sell but it's probably more to do with players not wanting the massive step down when leaving Utd. When you consider their off field activities, social media presence, sponsorship, endorsements, image rights etc...the agents are always advising against a move as it makes their clients signifactly less marketable.
 

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Valid point, it doesn't happen.

But Maguire is a pretty unusual sale.

How often does Englands starting CB, the most expensive CB in British football, get sold at 30 years of age?

It's a rare situation full stop so I can see the transfer fee bucking the usual trend. Not £50 million of course but I think £30 million is possible.
The fact that he starts for England is irrelevant in my view. I see this argument a lot in the Fred thread too.

If I'm an Owner, Chairman, DOF, Head of Recruitment, Manager etc; I couldn't care less where the player is from or whether his national team coach rates him or not. I would only care about getting the best deal for my club.
 

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I find it hilarious that clubs selling their players set the price and extract as much out of the buyer as possible but two weeks later turn up to buy players expecting the selling club to roll over at their paltry fee offer!

Fans talk about Utd offering high salaries which makes it difficult to sell but it's probably more to do with players not wanting the massive step down when leaving Utd. When you consider their off field activities, social media presence, sponsorship, endorsements, image rights etc...the agents are always advising against a move as it makes their clients signifactly less marketable.
You are confusing things, an agreement between clubs has nothing to do with the player, that comes after.

The market decides the price, simple as that.
 

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I think the club have it about right at £50m. Should be the minimum
£50m is absolutely mental and obviously not going to happen. He's 30, on over £200k a week, has been an irregular player for the past year and no big clubs are interested - who is paying anywhere near £50m? We'd do well to get £30m. I'd have taken the £20-25m and ran.
 

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£50m is absolutely mental and obviously not going to happen. He's 30, on over £200k a week, has been an irregular player for the past year and no big clubs are interested - who is paying anywhere near £50m? We'd do well to get £30m. I'd have taken the £20-25m and ran.
Exactly! I do not know where people get the feeling we can sell him for 50 mio.? He is not a starter since a year, he did play some games and in most of these he was rubbish. In my opinion, we should have sold him for the first offer of 20 mio. by West Ham considering his age, huge salary and form. No club is ready to pay for him an insane amount of money (even though he is an England international as usually the prices are automatically higher for English players) and we would be stuck with someone on the bench earning tons of money, even in the pecking order behind Evans.

However, I do think he would do quite well at a mid-table club like West Ham. The way he plays and what he can contribute to the team with his presence, it could work well. I really hope we can sell him by the end of the transfer window.
 

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25m would be great, some delusional figures in here. Just let him leave for 25m and get his wages off our wage bill.
 

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Nah, we don’t sell for 25m
Thing is, he isn’t a bad player, especially as a bench option.

We sell for 25m and have to replace him. He’s worth sitting on the bench at that price. He still offers something
 

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You are confusing things, an agreement between clubs has nothing to do with the player, that comes after.

The market decides the price, simple as that.
If you believe that players agents are not discussing their clients with other clubs prior to the club submitting bids to the selling club, you are very much not in touch with reality!