Yeah it's ridiculous, I understand United fans have reservations about owners from Qatar but as an Arsenal fan he needs to look closer to home before worrying about other clubsMorality lessons from supporters of a club that plays at Emirates stadium, wearing Emirates sponsored kits with Rwanda on the sleeves owned by an unscrupulous character with Walmart money ties known to have defrauded the taxpayers of a whole major city, you can't make it up
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In the latest episode of the United Hour Podcast, Nik (@Rood) and Jamie (@Vault Dweller) are here to talk about United's dreadful home defeat at the hands of Big Ange's Tottenham Hotspur. Should this have been the end of Ten Hag? How long does he actually have left? And does Nik finally want ETH out?!
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It's against the rules but basically it's an article on how Ratcliffe/Ineos have been running Nice and Lausanne-Sport. Not exactly pro-Ratcliffe.Annoyingly behind a paywall you couldnt be a legend and copy it in here please?
Embarrassing the amount of 'fans' wanting to turn this club into a proxy for Qatar just because they've got the most money and the better PR.
Sovereign states owning sporting institutions is an abomination and should be opposed at every level.
Sovereign states owning sporting institutions is an abomination and should be opposed at every level.
I just disagree with everything you type. Im going to ask you to stop quoting me now please.
Raped migrant worker women in Qatar get jailed for sex outside marriage. Anybody happy with the archaic country that upholds these extremist laws is just somebody i disagree with so much i see no point in discussion
Horrified in the direction the club will possibly take.
If anything like PSG it will be an absolute shitshow.
If anything like PSG it will be an absolute shitshow.
That same lot have a Rwanda sponsorship which I'm sure that poster was similarly reprehensed over given theirdictatorspresidents tremendous respect for human rights
Plus didn't the Rwanda advert budget spent with arsenal the equivalent of Iike 10% of the nation's GDP?
Nothing fishy going on here.
All the votes are for people who pay for the subscription and that includes rival fans, its a pointless poll
You could get a far better poll on this forum but unfortunately its not allowed here
Just feels so shit that we’re going to be losing exactly what set us apart from the likes of city and psg. A proper club using its own money. I hate the glazers, they’re parasites, but since they never put a dime into the club it was still us the whole time. Any success was our success, not because of some sheik and his wallet.
Even if you can somehow ignore the massive moral implications, it just feels shit that any success we might be about to have on the pitch is going to forever be tainted by calls of “yeah well you had a rich sheik bankrolling you, what do you expect?”. Just as we were finding our feet again thanks to ten Hag, now it’s Qatar who will take the credit. And we’re just another plastic club hoovering up hollow trophies with a big asterisk next to them in the history books. I feel worse about this than I did in 2005.
From an economic point of view we'd be better off owned by Qatar(more likely to throw money at a new stadium and facilities), but I'd much rather be owned by Ineos.
No one, ratcliffe included, whi has the money to buy us, is anything but a crook.
You don't get to be a billionaire by being honest.
So given any of them are as terrible as you can imagine peoiple to be behind the PR, just maybe the best choice is the one with the best offer. Debt free secures the club for the future.
Indebted businesses go bankrupt every day. Especially when shareholders want their pound of flesh regardless.
Environmental activists have been ringing the alarm about INEOS's sporting ventures being used for just that for years but as long as it's a British company they're seemingly not as problematic as the dubious Gulf regimes
Right, so you got nothing then. Ok, move along.
So is this it? Jim or the qataris, no american or Saudi bids?
So you still use newspapers to wipe your arse? Selling bog rolls made him a multi-millionaire and he wasn't that bad a player either - what's wrong with that?
We had an owner who sold dodgy meat for children to eat, I k ow which one is worse
You can read the logic like a book. First off they're angry that we're shit and our transfer window is a shambles, and see Ratcliffe as our saviour. Then 6 months later, guys with more money come along and promise to buy us titles, and Ratcliffe is in the gutter.
It's not about retaining any last semblance of what we once were, but more about being able to brag that your team just spent £300m on such and such a player, whilst winning trophies galore. It'll be hollow as feck but some people just won't care. Each to their own I guess, but when I stood next to fellow reds singing about Chelsea taking Roman's money etc, I never thought that deep down, these guys were just jealous. Now they're here, parting their cheeks for that oil money.
Right when do the Saudis bid so we can complete the Trio of Worst Possible Cnuts?
Don’t know yet really. They might have bid, but you would think they would have to go public soon to gather support.
A basic summing up of the SJR and Qatar bids for those wanting to catch up:
That we know of. I don't think the bids have to be disclosed, it's up to the bidders
Absolutely..
He's proved a lot wrong on here who called him a bluffer who won't even bid.
Doubt it. He’s Arsenal & British till he dies. Or until he finds out his club are owned by Americans and the Taliban sponsor them. Whichever comes first, i’ll go with the former.
I’m sure there’s a poll on this very site
What you describe is the perfect owner (again, ignoring the dictatorship and the human rights aspects for the sake of argument). However, I am afraid that they are going to spend big and create an unfair competitive advantage for us, thus killing the romance and fabric of this club.
Qatar have acted as an intermediary for the Taliban with the West.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Taliban_in_Qatar
So is this guy not closely tied to the qatari royal family? Is he just a very wealthy qatari citizen?
There's no angel out there that can buy the club.
Or people would like the club to be invested in and debt free? Enabling to run properly. Just a thought. The Ratcliffe bid has red flags all over it. More financed bullshit.
Where?
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Even assuming they were the same thing (and they aren't) the US government aren't trying to buy United.
And sports washing is all about improving your image while changing as little as possible. With added playing with shiny toys.
Yeah I'd imagine so. As I've said before with Jim my concern is if he's buying it through the company rather than himself he has a fiduciary duty to the shareholders and taking it loans to buy a football club he'll have to justify how he'll make it profitable, and i imagine that involves us paying g the loans
That's a bizarre claim, isn't it?. We get polls for all sorts of nonsense on here.
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Thoughts & prayers.
Nobody on earth materially capable of coughing up a cool 4-6B for a sports team will ever be a paragon of virtue
It's a pick your own poison sort of deal for conscientious people at that level of mega wealth
Putting Qatar to one side, if Ratcliffe was the only bid I don’t think I’d be keen at all. It’s just more of the same in a different skin.
For the nth time, sportswashing is bullshit.
Rich people do rich people shit, like buy football clubs. They don't give a feck how they look to United fans or any other fan base. They don't need advocates or people wearing turbans in front of stadiums. They buy rich clubs for the same reason they buy huge yachts and expensive shit no one else can buy; to show off their wealth and tell their harems/mistresses: "his yacht doesn't have an igloo outside the jacuzzi". They aren't trying to "launder their reputation", they don't need to. Their reputation (to those who matter) is already "great", great enough to do business with and take money from. They have access to your economies, defense industries, real estate, politicians... already. Before the club buying started.
But some idiots at Amnesty International believe some Arab scion is desperate for love and attention and is willing to buy a football club to have people on the internet arguing in his favor?? Ignoring the fact that idiots on the internet who suddenly love Saudi embassies, are vastly outweighed by the ton of negative press and attention on their bigoted and archaic laws, literal slave labor, women relegated to second class citizens...
It's enough to oppose them owning the club for being cnuts. Sportswashing though? Please
Nevermind just seen he's son of the prime ministerYes
So I have to decide between a Brexiteer and an Authoritation, slave owning, LGBT hanging, women flaying oil state?Nobody on earth materially capable of coughing up a cool 4-6B for a sports team will ever be a paragon of virtue
It's a pick your own poison sort of deal at that level of mega wealth
Feck, that's a tough one.
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