What are those? As someone who doesn't believe, I am genuinely curious. To me, there are many scientific mysteries but I don't know what faith ones are.
Religion, what's the point?
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Maybe that’s why Religion was created Moby, and therefore we have answered the meaning of the thread.
If that's the case, religion is failing miserably.
Or mankind is.
Religion was created to fix god’s mistake of letting people be evil?
But if religion was supposed to make mankind be good then it's religion that failed. If I was to build a car and it didn't work, the car didn't fail, I did.
So he first created humans, in a way they can feck each other up. Then also created a book from which they could learn not to feck each other up and the only way they would do it is by worshipping his name. But also the humans he created won't have the ability to stop being evil and fecking each other up. All this while he sits and watches when he could have just not have done any of this and simply created a world without any hatred in the first place.
feck that guy with a fecking cactus.
Guess who created it.
Little did we know, Supernatural is a documentary.
The answer for me really is the concept of free will and the laws/consequences of nature. Why did my friends child get cancer? Because of a generic abnormality that causes the uncontrolled replication of cells in her body. Why did 19 children get slaughtered in Uvalde? Because an 18 yo walked into a school and shot them. Why did my brother die of pneumonia as an infant? Because medicine at the time could not diagnose and treat the infection quick enough. I do not believe God directed any of these events. I do not believe any of them happened “for a reason”. I do not believe prayer could have stopped any of them. This is where I break with many of my Christian brothers and sisters; if free will is real, and if it is truly the gift we all say it is, then to believe that prayer or the “hand of God” can subvert it is to invalidate the very concept of it.
Circular logic is the cornerstone of religious belief.
I reached that exact same point a few years before I came to my final realization that god isn’t there.
There's a really good Tim Minchin song that this whole conversation reminded me of. There's a long "intro" before he actually starts singing, but the whole thing is a good listen. Delete if not appropriate (and be judged accordingly).
As I said above, it sounds like we traveled much the same road and took different paths at the fork.
I don’t even begin to have the answers, not even close. I believe that we are all challenged in life (by God, ourselves,or whatever) to be kind to each other, to help those in need, to be a little less greedy and selfish, etc. How we respond to that challenge, in my view, will be how we are judged.
Being kind is hard. I look at the last few pages and I see posters gleefully piling on and it makes me sad. I can’t really say anything cuz lord knows my (usually Scotch fueled) rants in the various political threads aren’t kind either. Basically, we all suck and I wish we all sucked just a little bit less.
As a big fan of Robert Frost, I appreciate this take.
The path we each chose has certainly made all the difference.
A better analogy would be putting diesel in a petrol, despite reading the manual then blaming the builder of the car.
Religion doesn't make mankind be good, it provides the manual.
Religious texts must be the worst manuals for goodness in the history of the world. Even the holiest of priests are doing the foulest things imaginable.
I used to struggle with the free will aspect I'm Islam. I then spent a lot of time with scholars from around the world and got to grasp with it.
In my opinion folk tend to look into things that interest them. For example the scientist and/or atheists cite sources for their opinion/belief but very rarely have sources for the religious aspect.
My becoming religious lead me to looking at various sources and I found that mosques and churches weren't the places for answers. Scholars on specific issues with great amounts of research were fascinating and brilliant.
Bit uncomfortable reading someone narrating their own brainwashing story
I disagree about the texts bit. More often than not we don't pay attention to them. Preferring to take another's explanation of what's right and whays wrong or simply not paying attention to them
The priests bit I agree with. I think today imams, priests, rabbis are the destruction of religion not purveyors. Generally speaking as there are exceptions to the rule.
Was that aimed at me? I only ask as I can respond if it was if you can give some insight into what it was that made you uncomfortable.
Apologies if it wasn't aimed at me
I think the problem with the Christian bible is it leaves way too much room for interpretation. Those that supported slavery have valid reasons to support it based on the texts in the bible. Surely that can't make the bible a good text for goodness and morality.
For me there isn't the room for interpretation as is often voiced. This is something I have personally learnt and believe. Not saying others have to agree.
Often it's a lack of understanding or research because religion is an afterthought rather than something we look into in the same way we would other things.
Going to church on a Sunday isn't being religious (or mosque on a Friday but you specifically mentioned the Bible so I'm using Christianity). Religion has become something we have done to us rather than we do, of that makes sense. The priest and his sermon is what we often base our musing on. Yet when we go against religion we go into detail to prove it wrong and spend ours of our time reading and watching videos etc.
I'm Muslim and I don't like the sermons on a Friday in many mosques. If I followed the imam and listened to just him I don't think I'd be religious and for many years I wasn't because I did precisely that.
Good for you. I never understood people that are religious (like truly believe) but only go on Sunday morning (or just 1 or 2 hours a week). If I believed the word of God as in any religious text and that my soul was dependent on how I followed it, I would be studying it and living most waking moments researching it. I spend more time watching auto racing each week than most Christians in America spend reading or researching the bible.
I agree with you. It's often why I'm more frustrated and end up in more arguments with the religious folk than the non religious, in my personal life.
I'm of the view that religious institutions do more against religion than for it. I'm fairly religious but would say I'm against "organised religion" as we have today.
We have a "Muslim" version called chuff chuff pir. Lots of tik tok vids about him.
I can't post vids but you can Google if interested. Pir haq khateeb I think his name is.
I have no idea what's happening at the 3:00 mark but it's amazing.
We have a "Muslim" version called chuff chuff pir. Lots of tik tok vids about him.
I can't post vids but you can Google if interested. Pir haq khateeb I think his name is.
Good (or sad) to know that we in America do not corner the market in religiousstrangeness:I have no idea what's happening at the 3:00 mark but it's amazing.
I can honestly say our nutters (india/Pakistan) put your nutters to shame.
I hadn't seen this one. He is "curing" people by blowing (hence the name chuff chuff). Instead of how a preacher in America puts his hand on a person's head and says I compel you to leave on the name of Christ etc this guy gets you to put your own (or someone else) hand on your head and blows.
The shoe thing is next level
. That guy making the noises is possessed. And chuff chuffs aid is saying whereas other priests will recite and pray for hours to expel the jinn/demons our Sarkar (like boss/sir) only needs his shoe and a moment as he is so powerful. Edit: oh and he can "chuff" COVID away from a TV screen for you
Thank you for the explanation. I just assumed he hyperventilated. We may need a different religious exploitation thread for stuff like this.I can honestly say our nutters (india/Pakistan) put your nutters to shame.
I hadn't seen this one. He is "curing" people by blowing (hence the name chuff chuff). Instead of how a preacher in America puts his hand on a person's head and says I compel you to leave on the name of Christ etc this guy gets you to put your own (or someone else) hand on your head and blows.
The shoe thing is next level
Edit: oh and he can "chuff" COVID away from a TV screen for you
That video was hilarious. Thanks for sharing. I've got some crackers too if this is the right forum for it.
I've got some crackers too if this is the right forum for it.I thought showing the sole of your shoe was verboten in Islamic culture? Or is that hitting someone with the sole of the shoe?I can honestly say our nutters (india/Pakistan) put your nutters to shame.
I hadn't seen this one. He is "curing" people by blowing (hence the name chuff chuff). Instead of how a preacher in America puts his hand on a person's head and says I compel you to leave on the name of Christ etc this guy gets you to put your own (or someone else) hand on your head and blows.
The shoe thing is next level
Edit: oh and he can "chuff" COVID away from a TV screen for you
Hitting, right? Or throwing at illegitimate US presidents?Don't overthink it.
I'm not aware of anything shoe related in Islam. Culturally certain things are seen as disrespect in Pakistan etc
I seem to remember Iraqis hitting pictures & statues of Saddam with their shoes during the first days of the second war.
e - quick search came up with this…
https://www.cnn.com/2013/02/06/world/meast/shoe-throwing-significance/index.html
The article seems to say that it's a cultural thing in Iraq.
As I say it's the same in Pakistan (and India) for a person who is older or in authority.