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The speed of the rollout & the reports of heart issues following taking it.What don't you trust?
The speed of the rollout & the reports of heart issues following taking it.What don't you trust?
Really? That makes no sense.The speed of the rollout & the reports of heart issues following taking it.
Probably, but you can see why I'm concerned. I got heart disease in my family. Some BBC presenter died after taking the Oxford vaccine. I'll probably take it eventually, just gonna wait.Really? That makes no sense.
The speed of vaccine development has in no way compromised safety. We have covered this numerous times and if you continue to ignore this then that is a deliberate act of ignorance on your part.
As for heart inflammation in the US. That is hugely overblown by the usual anti-vax brigade. It's not a huge concern because a) there are very few cases (1000 or less with over 330 million shots given), b) more than 80% were incredibly mild and fully recovered already and the other 20% will mostly be fine as serious inflammation is incredibly rare, c) some cases occur naturally so even those few reported won't all have been caused by the vaccine, and finally and most importantly, d) covid itself is far far more harmful, including lots of incidents of heart inflammation.
It's obviously up to you, but it seems unlikely instances of side effects will radically decline in the coming iterations of the vaccine drugs, given the existing approved drugs all meet the regulatory requirements.Probably, but you can see why I'm concerned. I got heart disease in my family. Some BBC presenter died after taking the Oxford vaccine. I'll probably take it eventually, just gonna wait.
And 30 million other people didn't.Probably, but you can see why I'm concerned. I got heart disease in my family. Some BBC presenter died after taking the Oxford vaccine. I'll probably take it eventually, just gonna wait.
Then I'd be a thousand times more concerned about contracting covid than the vaccine...Probably, but you can see why I'm concerned. I got heart disease in my family. Some BBC presenter died after taking the Oxford vaccine. I'll probably take it eventually, just gonna wait.
Yeah but he has a better chance of avoiding catching covid if everyone else takes the vaccine for him.Then I'd be a thousand times more concerned about contracting covid than the vaccine...
Now the UK is fully opening it seems the plan is for everybody to be exposed to Covid one way or another to build immunity, through vaccination or the virus itself. If you don't get vaccinated, assume you will catch the virus, and when you do the chances of heart problems are far higher than they are with the vaccine.Probably, but you can see why I'm concerned. I got heart disease in my family. Some BBC presenter died after taking the Oxford vaccine. I'll probably take it eventually, just gonna wait.
I got invited to have my 2nd vaccine on Saturday 17th. For my first vaccine the place was absolutely rammed on the Saturday I went so I tried to reschedule this one for another day in the week. The only other day it's allowing me to book is Saturday 24th. Not sure what the feck is going on considering this place is open every day.
*crickets*Now the UK is fully opening it seems the plan is for everybody to be exposed to Covid one way or another to build immunity, through vaccination or the virus itself. If you don't get vaccinated, assume you will catch the virus, and when you do the chances of heart problems are far higher than they are with the vaccine.
Not unless a doctor has told you not to take it. Less than 1 in 300k chance of mild symptoms is a lower risk than taking a paracetamol for injection point pain.Probably, but you can see why I'm concerned. I got heart disease in my family. Some BBC presenter died after taking the Oxford vaccine. I'll probably take it eventually, just gonna wait.
Still alive?Got my first shot today. Moderna. Been 9 hours and so far only a slightly sore arm and that's it. Not tired or anything. Wonder how I'll feel when I wake up tomorrow. My wife got Pfizer a few weeks ago and she was extremely tired a few hours later and had a very sore arm for a few days.
Yes sir! Still feel fine. My arm is still a bit sore but that's it. Maybe they gave me a placeboStill alive?
Don't stress mate, you'll probably feel absolute shite after the second dose!Yes sir! Still feel fine. My arm is still a bit sore but that's it. Maybe they gave me a placebo
Fertility worries are conspiracy theory bullshit.Sorry, copied from the Coronavirus thread - forgot there was one specific to the vaccines.
My daughter, who is 22, won’t get the vaccine as she’s worried about it affecting fertility. She says that there won’t have been enough testing or evidence to know that it doesn’t. She also thinks that at her age the risk of having the vaccine (including the risk above but other risks as well) probably outweighs the benefits, but that the government will push the vaccine on people her age for herd immunity reasons.
I’ve said that. But she doesn’t want to take the risk that they’re not. And she views any guidance that it definitely won’t affect fertility as government sponsored propaganda, citing the early declaration that wearing masks had no benefits. She also cites thalidomideFertility worries are conspiracy theory bullshit.
This sounds a huge punt. So many people have had the vaccine around her age. The know risk is directly harming others and yourself. The unknown tail risk is a side effect of the vaccine. I don't think it's well calculated personally - there is a risk with everything. Contraceptive pills are known to increase risk of cancer for example but it won't stop young people having intercourse without a condom. That's just one example, there are others I'm sure where people will just accept the risk because of a known benefit.Sorry, copied from the Coronavirus thread - forgot there was one specific to the vaccines.
My daughter, who is 22, won’t get the vaccine as she’s worried about it affecting fertility. She says that there won’t have been enough testing or evidence to know that it doesn’t. She also thinks that at her age the risk of having the vaccine (including the risk above but other risks as well) probably outweighs the benefits, but that the government will push the vaccine on people her age for herd immunity reasons.
Thalidomide is a drug.vaccines are not drugs. And BoJo getting mask advice wrong, ike almost everything else is also irrelevant.I’ve said that. But she doesn’t want to take the risk that they’re not. And she views any guidance that it definitely won’t affect fertility as government sponsored propaganda, citing the early declaration that wearing masks had no benefits. She also cites thalidomide
Ask her how she knows covid won't affect her fertility.I’ve said that. But she doesn’t want to take the risk that they’re not. And she views any guidance that it definitely won’t affect fertility as government sponsored propaganda, citing the early declaration that wearing masks had no benefits. She also cites thalidomide
Yep, there's no easy way out of it either. Vaccines offer the prospect of normality, and countries are trying to edge back to normality.@jojojo, here's a story about a trial participant who now can't go on his honeymoon. It seems very unfair that people who signed up to help everyone else are getting disadvantaged like this.
https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-england-tyne-57720739
Ultimately, it is up to your daughter to make her decision. She is 22 and seems to have looked at some of the issues, whether you or anyone else agrees.I’ve said that. But she doesn’t want to take the risk that they’re not. And she views any guidance that it definitely won’t affect fertility as government sponsored propaganda, citing the early declaration that wearing masks had no benefits. She also cites thalidomide
For anyone in a UK trial, they're considered equivalent to those who are fully vaccinated as far as any UK certification is concerned. I had a letter the other day, and it's supposed to show on the NHS app sometime this month.Yep, there's no easy way out of it either. Vaccines offer the prospect of normality, and countries are trying to edge back to normality.
A blanket "all vaccines and any country's vaccine passport equivalent are ok," is a non-starter. I'm pretty sure we'll see the EU, UK and US accept each other as equivalent Vaccine passport authorities soon - so that should fix the system for most people.
Trialists are a different matter (and very much a minority interest - though I would argue that without the trialists, there are no vaccines!). All sorts of trials are underway in the UK and elsewhere. Again, the UK can suggest a blanket exemption for their trialists, but that's a whole new round of negotiations - covering everything from what constitutes a trial, through to placebo group treatment and documentation.
It's a funny limbo position to be in though.
Absolutely. My status shows as "green tick" with a QR code on the NHS app for the event pass with the words "valid in England" written below, and if you follow the link it describes the pass as "based on an exemption". I've also got a letter from the NHS research team explaining my status, describing the specific trial and referring to the standard letter from Jonathan Van-Tam explaining the trialist should be treated as vaccinated. Apparently people have successfully used them at Wimbledon and with some UK-only travel things (like cruises)For anyone in a UK trial, they're considered equivalent to those who are fully vaccinated as far as any UK certification is concerned. I had a letter the other day, and it's supposed to show on the NHS app sometime this month.
Travelling to other countries is a big issue though - once the agreements are in place, I'd like to go and see my parents in France (for the first time since 2019) but I'm not optimistic about France accepting it.
I've also heard that even people who have been unblinded, and found out they had AZ in the trial, are still unlikely to be able to travel because it was in a trial, although I'm not sure if that's just a temporary admin issue.
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It's a difficult one but there are over 100 vaccines in development and most will fail. I get that people have signed up to help others, but if you're on a trial for a vaccine that doesn't work (or got the placebo), you are still essentially unvaccinated.@jojojo, here's a story about a trial participant who now can't go on his honeymoon. It seems very unfair that people who signed up to help everyone else are getting disadvantaged like this.
https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-england-tyne-57720739
One for the English nationalism thread.I see the Tellytubbies are anti-mRNA for some reason.
I hope this chart is not behind a paywall:Is there any comments on how the AZ vaccine is working against Delta ?
Very curious results for Pfizer's performance vs. Delta on symptomatic infection. Hospital admission's far more important and tell broadly the same story but still...curious. Other than a different / broader demographic profile I can't think why it would differ so much. Presumably the sample size for Delta cases in Israel is much smaller / the data has bigger confidence intervals?I hope this chart is not behind a paywall:
https://www.ft.com/content/5a24d39a-a702-40d2-876d-b12a524dc9a5
The Israel sample size is smaller, so results less reliable. The big concern about their data is that it might represent a decline in efficacy over time, as they got their vaccination rollout started so early.Very curious results for Pfizer's performance vs. Delta on symptomatic infection. Hospital admission's far more important and tell broadly the same story but still...curious. Other than a different / broader demographic profile I can't think why it would differ so much. Presumably the sample size for Delta cases in Israel is much smaller / the data has bigger confidence intervals?
The UK has already dished out 30+ million Oxford doses starting with the oldest and clinically vulnerable people several months ago. When would you feel ready to take it?Probably, but you can see why I'm concerned. I got heart disease in my family. Some BBC presenter died after taking the Oxford vaccine. I'll probably take it eventually, just gonna wait.
I thought the Israel study included asymptomatic cases, so wouldn't be equivalent to the trial data. Might have misread something. I also think it's still not published in full, so difficult to conclude on the relevance.The Israel sample size is smaller, so results less reliable. The big concern about their data is that it might represent a decline in efficacy over time, as they got their vaccination rollout started so early.
They’re up to 600 cases/day now, having spent weeks averaging less than 30.
I would definitely take the results with a pinch of salt but their surge in cases certainly points towards the possibility some sort of vaccine escape. Two deaths recently. The first in over two weeks. A 48 year old unvaccinated man and an 80 year old fully vaccinated man (his 70 year old wife - also vaccinated - is very unwell in hospital)I thought the Israel study included asymptomatic cases, so wouldn't be equivalent to the trial data. Might have misread something. I also think it's still not published in full, so difficult to conclude on the relevance.