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So Chelsea were apparently interested in Sancho a while back, surely with them spending this much on Havertz they could of just spent the money on Sancho instead, so maybe there is rumblings in the football world that the move to us is still on. Maybe Chelsea enquired about Sancho but was told he was waiting for a move to us? I know the rumour was a few months back that they felt he was United bound but with all this messing around we are doing, surely Chelsea would look at it n think they could nip in ahead of us now?

Just a thought....Happy Sancho Day, yay!
They bought Ziyech, they don't need Sancho as of now. Doubt they have an extra 100million to spare after what they've spent this window either.
 

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What people seem to forget when they say that there’s ages left in the transfer window, is that players need time to integrate into the team in training, etc so they can hit the ground running in Match day 1. Chelsea have had Werner and Ziyech for a while already. The PL is so competitive these days that the title challenge can be all but over in the first few games.
 

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Did people just forget the bit where they are an oil rich club who sold a £120m+ player before a two window transfer ban?
are you saying we don't needlessly drag out negotiations? AWB/Maguire needed to be bore-fest saga's in which we paid their exact asking prices......because?

I'm all in for a stupidly long transfer saga, if there is a reason, if we get better deals. I'm yet to see it.
 

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What people seem to forget when they say that there’s ages left in the transfer window, is that players need time to integrate into the team in training, etc so they can hit the ground running in Match day 1. Chelsea have had Werner and Ziyech for a while already. The PL is so competitive these days that the title challenge can be all but over in the first few games.
And? Signings happen late in the window by all top clubs irrelevant of what you have just said.
 

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are you saying we don't needlessly drag out negotiations? AWB/Maguire needed to be bore-fest saga's in which we paid their exact asking prices......because?

I'm all in for a stupidly long transfer saga, if there is a reason, if we get better deals. I'm yet to see it.
For Maguire they wanted 90, got 80.
For AWB they wanted 50 + removal of Zaha sell-on clause (25%, estimated 5-15m), they got 50.

Unfortunately due to the situation this year the window runs far through league starts, but I guess it would be tough for the football federations to negotiate a shorter window globally with so little time.

This means that big transfers might take all window if a better deal can be reached.
Doesn't matter if the league starts.
(At least we don't have a real tough match until Oct 3rd.)
 

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Because Chelsea are not solely dependent on revenue from commercial sources, their owner will underwrite their debt, and should they fall into financial difficulty, I assume he'll bail them out of his own pocket.

Im not excusing or supporting the Glazers here, just merely outlining the commercial reality we are in.
Plus their reserves from not spending anything in last transfer windows
 

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So Chelsea were apparently interested in Sancho a while back, surely with them spending this much on Havertz they could of just spent the money on Sancho instead, so maybe there is rumblings in the football world that the move to us is still on. Maybe Chelsea enquired about Sancho but was told he was waiting for a move to us? I know the rumour was a few months back that they felt he was United bound but with all this messing around we are doing, surely Chelsea would look at it n think they could nip in ahead of us now?

Just a thought....Happy Sancho Day, yay!
Seems fair enough to me. I for one believe he wants to come to United.

United is just more than a football club for a player. So many other perks with coming to United.
 

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Because Chelsea are not solely dependent on revenue from commercial sources, their owner will underwrite their debt, and should they fall into financial difficulty, I assume he'll bail them out of his own pocket.

Im not excusing or supporting the Glazers here, just merely outlining the commercial reality we are in.
Yeah basically one owner bankrolls their club spending 100’s of millions striving to be the best they can be and the other leaches their own money from the club before kindly ‘letting us’ spend what’s left without a care in the feckin world about our progress as a football team.

God I hate them.
 

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Yeah basically one owner bankrolls their club spending 100’s of millions striving to be the best they can be and the other leaches their own money from the club before kindly ‘letting us’ spend what’s left without a care in the feckin world about our progress as a football team.
God I hate them.
I feel the same, we really drew a crap straw in which billionaire ended up owning us. Though many on here seem to be against Middle East or Russian ownership, reasons only they know why.

That being said, people moaning on here should gain a better understanding of our reality, because their moans come across as very naive. "Just pay the money" is possibly the most ignorant statement one can make in this context.
 

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I feel the same, we really drew a crap straw in which billionaire ended up owning us. Though many on here seem to be against Middle East or Russian ownership, reasons only they know why.

That being said, people moaning on here should gain a better understanding of our reality, because their moans come across as very naive. "Just pay the money" is possibly the most ignorant statement one can make in this context.
It’s hard to understand how Chelsea can spend close to the same amount on one player, yet United (after getting rid of a lot of dead wood including Sanchez) are struggling to put up a similar amount for our primary target.

In what world should Chelsea be able to outspend United without p*ssing all over ffp?

Is it purely the Hazard money?

Edit: Totally agree regarding Middle East or Russian ownership. This window exactly explains my concern about our progression under this ownership and why I was so vocal previously about Saudi Ownership.
Edit Edit: Theres still 6 weeks for them to prove me wrong.
 

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It’s hard to understand accept how Chelsea can spend close to the same amount on one player, yet United (after getting rid of a lot of dead wood including Sanchez) are struggling to put up a similar amount for our primary target.
In what world should Chelsea be able to outspend United without p*ssing all over ffp?
Is it purely the Hazard money?
I'd say it's hard to accept, rather than hard to understand. The reason we both stated just before:
 

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What people seem to forget when they say that there’s ages left in the transfer window, is that players need time to integrate into the team in training, etc so they can hit the ground running in Match day 1. Chelsea have had Werner and Ziyech for a while already. The PL is so competitive these days that the title challenge can be all but over in the first few games.
We don't have to worry about a title challenge either way. We're not doing that any time soon.
 

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They should be thread banned to be honest. Obvious WUM.
He's the one who's earlier been claiming to have a mate at the Guardian and that they were briefed it was a done deal but kept quiet waiting for other transfers.

Unless it is widely reported by tomorrow that we have walked away then yeah, more than obvs wum.
 

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I'd say it's hard to accept, rather than hard to understand. The reason we both stated just before:
Exactly... instead of taking the initiative and maximising our impact at this opportune moment for a financially sound club such as ourselves, it’s being used to muse over whether we can afford the owners dividends.

Sad state of affairs.
 

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What people seem to forget when they say that there’s ages left in the transfer window, is that players need time to integrate into the team in training, etc so they can hit the ground running in Match day 1. Chelsea have had Werner and Ziyech for a while already. The PL is so competitive these days that the title challenge can be all but over in the first few games.
I think the whole "time to integrate" shtick is a bit over egged, personally.

I reckon there is something to be said for a last minute signing. Bruno was one. Maguire was one. Evra and Vidic were too, and even Eric Cantona was signed when there wasn't such a thing as a transfer window.

I personally would prefer the club to save £10million with late business Levy style than to spend an extra £20milion in June - if only because that means the media spend less time inflating our figures to embarassing levels (I still have friends telling me what a joke Maguire is despite him being a brilliant defender all year and putting in a motm performance to get us third Vs Leicester on that final day!!!)

All the Muppets seem to think we have unlimited money and that covid hasn't hit us somehow, while similarly watching giant clubs release star players on free transfers because they can't afford the wages. Cognitive dissonance is weird with our club.
 

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I still think this transfer is happening. I feel we’re just all around too quiet for something not to be going on behind the scenes. It’s easy to hate on Woodward and the board for being useless, but I cannot see us neglecting this window. Nothing else is going on apart from very suspect links to Brooks.
 

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What people seem to forget when they say that there’s ages left in the transfer window, is that players need time to integrate into the team in training, etc so they can hit the ground running in Match day 1. Chelsea have had Werner and Ziyech for a while already. The PL is so competitive these days that the title challenge can be all but over in the first few games.
You cannot be serious with that surely?

The season is long and is 38 games throughout the year.

The season is never over until it is mathematically impossible.

You can climb from 8th to 3rd just by winning several games on the trot, keep doing that and teams around you get nervous and boom you're in touching distance of the title.

If you seriously believe the PL can be all but over in the first few games you're gonna miss out on some amazing seasons of football.
 

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I still think this transfer is happening. I feel we’re just all around too quiet for something not to be going on behind the scenes. It’s easy to hate on Woodward and the board for being useless, but I cannot see us neglecting this window. Nothing else is going on apart from very suspect links to Brooks.
Same it makes too much sense for both parties and like you said far too quiet.
 

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I think the whole "time to integrate" shtick is a bit over egged, personally.

I reckon there is something to be said for a last minute signing. Bruno was one. Maguire was one. Evra and Vidic were too, and even Eric Cantona was signed when there wasn't such a thing as a transfer window.

I personally would prefer the club to save £10million with late business Levy style than to spend an extra £20milion in June - if only because that means the media spend less time inflating our figures to embarassing levels (I still have friends telling me what a joke Maguire is despite him being a brilliant defender all year and putting in a motm performance to get us third Vs Leicester on that final day!!!)

All the Muppets seem to think we have unlimited money and that covid hasn't hit us somehow, while similarly watching giant clubs release star players on free transfers because they can't afford the wages. Cognitive dissonance is weird with our club.
They were both mid-season signings: Vidic was confirmed on January 5, Evra on January 10. Quite early on in the January transfer window. And both, especially Evra, needed time to actually get up to speed.

Also, we don't really tend to save money with those late signings. Remember the Fellaini transfer when we actually had to pay MORE than we would have had to a month before?
 

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You cannot be serious with that surely?

The season is long and is 38 games throughout the year.

The season is never over until it is mathematically impossible.

You can climb from 8th to 3rd just by winning several games on the trot, keep doing that and teams around you get nervous and boom you're in touching distance of the title.

If you seriously believe the PL can be all but over in the first few games you're gonna miss out on some amazing seasons of football.
In the last three seasons, the champions got 100, 98, and 99 points. So yes, a title challenge can be pretty much over in the first few games. In 07/08, United dropped 7 points in the first three games. To beat 2017/18 Manchester City from that position, out of the remaining 35 games they would have had to win 32 and draw three.

You can't really afford to drop a lot of points at any stretch of the season these days.
 

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In the last three seasons, the champions got 100, 98, and 99 points. So yes, a title challenge can be pretty much over in the first few games. In 07/08, United dropped 7 points in the first three games. To beat 2017/18 Manchester City from that position, out of the remaining 35 games they would have had to win 32 and draw three.

You can't really afford to drop a lot of points at any stretch of the season these days.
This is a point people still fail to grasp. I think it’s maybe because we’ve never ever reached that level of consistency that people can’t comprehend the level you need to be at now.
 
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