Stalin also played a huge part in ww2
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Honestly, I can't ever see that happening, at least not to the 'depth' the subject merits. The best that future generations of schoolchildren can hope for is the expression of mild regret from historians and the usual distractions of so-called economic necessities, literature officially sanctioned as instructive, letters, poems and the occasional sop of a 'native perspective'; in other words, the same old show.
Let's face it: the powerful rarely criticise themselves, and certainly won't instil doubt in the rebellious young, even at history's distance.
I'd get a kick out of this happening to some confederate statues in the US South but it would certainly lead to multiple deaths when racists Southerners with
I guess he kind of soiled his popularity over in Russia by killing millions of his own people though. Not that I really know much about how he’s viewed there.
I fundamentally disagree with you.
you realise that in what you are saying, you are imposing on people that they should be acting in a certain way - no matter whether the cause is righteous or not.
no, I don’t have to be actively anti-racist.
I can live my life NOT saying a word if I decide to, and that in no way makes me complicit, and in no way do I have a heavy conscious about it. I believe in right and wrong, but no, I do not have to educate people and challenge every view that is wrong.
Because, by your definition, you have to challenge everyone, and every wrong, and every injustice that is on this planet, otherwise I’m complicit in these wrongs.
And he is revered in Russia, you want to tell Russians to scrub figures from that part of history because people feel sensitive about it now, be my guest..
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Are you claiming there was no racism towards Roma people during communist rule ?
How is that relevant to the question of whether they should teach what really went on in schools?
Tbh @SteveJ even the above is a far better state of education than what we currently have where vast people of educated in Britain are absolutely unaware of even the facts, let alone the dressed up narratives.
I am a very unpatriotic guy by nature to be honest, so I would see no problem with it, but I think you are right.
Especially with Brexit and the little Britain mindset that we're likely to see when it all goes tits up, I wouldn't be surprised to see more a more pro-British curriculum if anything.
I remember staying with families in Georgia where they had a picture of Stalin on the shelf in the living room (in one case next to a picture of Jesus). The Stalin Museum in Gori was pretty much a celebration of a man who emerged from a small, peripheral nation in the Caucasus to rule the greatest power on earth.
Yes, sadly it seems that way.
Don't be so sensitive. I'm only asking you a question.
So, are you honestly telling me that if people around you were discussing the benefits of paedo rings you wouldn't speak up? Or at least report the matter?
Maybe actually read what I was quoting in bold rather than you cherry picking the narrative
Yeah, there definitely was, but I believe it was nowhere near to the situation now. Do you have something particular in mind about that period?
Cheers, that’s kind of fascinating.
If you’re with a group of mates, and they start shouting racial slurs, do you not think you should speak up?
Of course I would in most situations.
but where do you stop? Do I report a gardener, who I know is not fully declaring his taxes? I cannot be expected to challenge everything, and every opinion, and every action that is wrong.
it’s the other chap who believes that you have to be actively anti something, otherwise you are complicit in that viewpoint which is beyond absurd.
Fair enough I didn't spot that.Maybe actually read what I was quoting in bold rather than you cherry picking the narrative
I had read the post you replied to already so didn't expand it, therefore it wasn't visible.
I found the cherry picking the narrative thing with the eye roll is a bit unnecessary.
I still don't really see your point. People can be happy a war was won without having to pretend Churchill didn't do some despicable things.
Street sign "Forbidden for dogs and gypsies " at the entrance of Sea Garden Varna.
thats in no way what I’m saying.
what I’m saying is that you cannot be expected to challenge everything, all of the time.
thankfully I don’t have friends who throw around racial slurs as I choose to hang around with likeminded, good people.
If we are using hypothetical examples.
Would you, in this current climate, where unemployment is about to rocket, and your job is at risk pull up the CEO of your company on a zoom call in the presence of a dozen other employees for throwing out a racial slur?
Absolutely not. He helped save the world from a far, far worse fate than anything going on today.
I think defacing the Churchill statue will be the turning point for public opinion on the protests in the UK, and you will start to see the police more actively shutting them down now.
Would you describe them as 'affluent' by any chance?
Then you have to see you're part of the problem here.
These attitudes contribute to institutional racism and race inequalities existing.
I'm literally just asking people to be anti-racist.
I think you two are just arguing over the semantics really, maybe he didn't word it in the best way. He seems to be implying you should be constantly on your soapbox, finding ways to insert your anti-racism into conversation when no-one even asked.
In reality what I think he and others mean is just to use common sense. If you hear others using racist language, exposing prejudice etc, just challenge it. Staying silent then, would qualify as being complicit imo.
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Yet millions also died due to his actions. He was a genocidal villain, equal to the worst of his times.
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I've heard about them having curfews at certain places as well. But the weird thing is, some Romani people say they lived better back then, because they had jobs.
This is really offtopic though, PM if you want to talk more about it.
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Maybe they sent him back.
no. Just not racist. I live in one of the most multicultural cities in the world in London.
I'm sure every historical figure has done something they shouldn't of done. So what do you suggest? Start pulling his statues down as well? If you keep looking back we'll never move forward. You seem to have a massive chip on your shoulder in this thread.
He's right though, if you see something horrible, or someone getting bullied, and you do nothing, you are pretty much complicit. You are the one making up lesser examples like tax dodging..
who even suggested that? Where do these straw men keep coming from?
no I am not. To suggest that you challenge everyone all of the time is absurd.
Can you honestly tell me that you challenge every opinion or action that you have ever come across that’s wrong?