Just a matter of time before a deal is agreed in my opinion, you can't really blame United for trying to get the best deal for the club. If we do eventually end up paying 45-50 million then I think that's a fair price in the current market for a top English talent. You're going to get 10 years out of the lad so it makes total sense.
Aaron Wan-Bissaka | The Ornacle speaks: It is done.
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In the latest episode of the United Hour Podcast, Nik and Imran are here to talk about a frustrating 2 points dropped at Crystal Palace. They then discuss the regeneration of Old Trafford. Finally, Nik is joined by special guest Michael Statham from the Football Oranje podcast - who gives us a more in depth look at our EL opposition FC Twente, and then runs through the (many) Dutch connections currently at United.
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One last time, just to humour you.
£25m was quoted as our offer on March17th
£35m was reported as our opening bid in negotiations.
£35m plus £5m add-ons later.
£35m plus £15m add-ons latest offer.
Yes I consider that low-balling. So do Palace apparently, who will accept £45-50m cash.
I'd view that as fair, but nobody else has to.
The fact Palace find the difference critical, should be enough to tell you that it is not equivalent to stumping up a £50m record, like City did.
I could only comment on the rumours available at the time.
If you can tell the future, let us know who we are going to get, and for how much.
Plus when you consider the inflation in the market we can probably at least get our money back in 2 or 3 years time of he loses his place to Dalot or Laird.
It's a good job we've got some master negotiators in here who've worked it all out. Get em hired Woodward.
You called It £35mil after the report of 35+15 was rejected.
You compared the fee paid for Shaw as £35mil after the £35mil+£15mil was rejected.
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A post that both goes against your willingness at the time to accept the questionable fee, and also shows clear movement on our part to negotiate. It's like you don't understand it's Woodward's job to get the best value possible from the transfer. Chelsea seemed perfectly happy to negotiate £50mil(?) of add ons into the Hazard fee agreed with Madrid, but you'd just consider that just pissing around, would you? He may well even eventually pay £45mil flat for him, but Woodward 'pissing around' had just saved us an awful lot of money.
Now you either are willfully ignoring the add ons in your previous comments, or you have now realised and are now frantically back peddling.
Nah, I tend not to get drawn into it just because it fits the narrative I wish to portray.
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Thanks for the entertainment, but I'm just repeating myself and doesn't seem to be going in.
We might not even be in for him.
How about that?!
You've outlasted me. You win.
Pick anything from the bottom shelf.
Good place to end it. You've embarrassed yourself enough tonight. Although, I suppose you could just provide me with one more link to an article that further proves you're wrong. A personal highlight for me.
I'll have Sainsburys own brand whisky. Will taste nice in my low-ball glass.
just pay 50 million and get him.
I see the usual cognitive dissonance is in practice over transfer fees.
Woodward is once again simultaneously an absolute moron for not being able to negotiate any sort of deal at the same time that he’s being encouraged to just get on with it and pay and extra £10m or £15m if that’s what is needed to seal the deal.
Woodward is once again simultaneously an absolute moron for not being able to negotiate any sort of deal at the same time that he’s being encouraged to just get on with it and pay and extra £10m or £15m if that’s what is needed to seal the deal.
If we just pay what Palace want it fecks us up for any other transfers this, and following windows, surely you can see that.
We look like idiots not sealing what would be a fair deal at 50 million for a proven PL player with loads of potential. Woodward stop playing with your fanny and get it done!
AWB deal basically is down to structure of payment, they want £50m which we will offer but they want more upfront. It’ll be sorted soon.
It doesn't work that way.
If Palace want 50 million, and we believe he's worth that, then we should pay it.
That doesn't mean we'll pay more than we want to for other players.
If we then went to say Leicester for Maddison and they said they want 80 million, if we don't agree with that price then we won't pay it.
Buying one player for 50 million, doesn't mean every player will cost 5/10 million more than they would have for us, it's an easy excuse for the glazers to have people thinking that way imo.
Remember that Woodward can be a moron even if (both) the reasoning(s) behind why he is a moron is false!
Of course it does, but we are beggars not choosers at the moment. CP started with £70m I think. £50m doesn’t seem bad if Ed really believes we can only do what other clubs can dream of, plus get the price reduced. Much needed acquisition, just get it done. We’ve got a lot of positions to strengthen this window. Two weeks until start of pre-season and we’ve lost a few and got James. Need to put the foot down on the fast pedal.
The desperation on here.
"Just give them whatever they want"
He has good natural attributes but he isn't the finished article by any stretch. Why the hell does he go to ground so much for one thing? Throwing yourself into a lunging slide tackle every 2 seconds is hardly the sign of a polished defender. I'm sure he will develop into a good player but the anxiety on here over him seems a bit much to me.
But whatever he's not Ashley Young so we'd better just immediately pay whatever Palace ask for else we look like idiots
"Just give them whatever they want"
He has good natural attributes but he isn't the finished article by any stretch. Why the hell does he go to ground so much for one thing? Throwing yourself into a lunging slide tackle every 2 seconds is hardly the sign of a polished defender. I'm sure he will develop into a good player but the anxiety on here over him seems a bit much to me.
But whatever he's not Ashley Young so we'd better just immediately pay whatever Palace ask for else we look like idiots
He's not proven though is he, have you not heard of one season wonders??
The kid isn't even a full International yet so the deal we've offered is more than fair enough, though we might have to add the £2.5m to be paid if we win the Premier League, or £5m for the Champions League during the term of his first contract at United upfront, so £42.5m + £7.5m in add-ons - and tell Palace take it or leave it - and they'll probably take it if we throw Gomes or Chong on a season loan as a sweetener.
40M + 10M add ons looks better than 50M.
The desperation on here.
"Just give them whatever they want"
He has good natural attributes but he isn't the finished article by any stretch. Why the hell does he go to ground so much for one thing? Throwing yourself into a lunging slide tackle every 2 seconds is hardly the sign of a polished defender. I'm sure he will develop into a good player but the anxiety on here over him seems a bit much to me.
But whatever he's not Ashley Young so we'd better just immediately pay whatever Palace ask for else we look like idiots
I've mentioned that elsewhere, and with VAR coming in next season as well if he doesn't learn to stay on his feet he'll miss half of the season suspended
He's not even a great player. Move on.
If we cave to Crystal Palace that's exactly what will happen the next time we try and sign an English player from an English club. It's almost encouraging clubs to add another £10m on top of the usual United tax.
And we obviously don't think he's worth £50m, the fact we're offering a 3rd as add-ons suggests we think they are taking the piss, they are
Slide tackling is allowed in football.
It wouldn't be caving to pay 50 million for him, we've suppossedly been negotiating for him for a little bit, so it would be reaching an eventual agreement.
If we're signing a highly rated player from an English club, they're likely to cost 50 million+ irregardless of us getting Wan-Bissaka, that's just how much money is circulating in the premier league at the moment, whether we like it or not.
They're definitely not taking the piss to want 50 million for him, they have no reason to want to sell him, it's not like it was 5/10 years ago.
It is, as long as it's not from behind, but a lot of his are borderline
Yeah, I’m not at all bothered over us negotiating the best deal possible here. Looks clear as day we’ll be getting him.
It is worrying that we don’t seem to be progressing on other needed reinfocements though. Admittedly might not be the case but hope we’re not waiting to sell before bringing players in.
I would say he’s typically very clean when he goes to ground - comes in from the side, one footed, studs pointed away from the player, no unnecessary force. He doesn’t give the officials a reason to give a foul, as such. And there’s no reason to think VAR would make fouls more likely - a referee could just as easily mistake a fair slide tackle as a foul.
Paying nearly 50% more than what you hoped to pay is the very definition of caving, the only time you should even consider that is if another club had come in and offered Palace what they want in a cash only deal with no add-ons, and as far as i'm aware nobody has.
You're taught at a young age to stay on your feet, only go to ground as the last resort, but W-B is defaulted to go to ground, he tackles like a winger tracking back most of the time, if he doesn't learn hoe to mix it up a bit he will be found out the higher the level he goes.
Our initial bid isn't necessarily what we "hoped to pay." Palace surely didn't hope to get 70m. Each club started lower/higher than their realistic valuation with the obvious intent to meet in the middle. It seems more likely we hoped to pay 40-50m and Palace hoped to get 50-60m. We'll probably end up at 50m and it's just a matter of structure of payment at this point.
Yeah, no.
It wouldn't be caving for United to pay 50 million or close to it.
If the interest is genuine, and palace are happy for him to go, it will probably be close to 50 million.
You don't think the club seriously thought for a second they'd get him for 35 million, do you?
In an ideal world we'd get him for maybe 40 with addons, but I think Palace would be really stupid to accept that.
Unless we have him pitch a fit against Crystal Palace we won't get him for cheap. I'd rather not turn into Madrid or Barca where they essentially bully other clubs. He's young, a good defender, and plenty of talent. Just pay the money. Fact is Premier League teams don't need money anymore so naturally we'll pay a slight premium for players.
We'd have known exactly how much Palace would accept, or at least how much it would take to get them to the negotiating table long before we placed a bid, but obviously we would have hoped they'd except what we offered. What we'll be prepared to go to is another matter.
I mean, if that’s your standard for “hoped” we’d have “hoped” they’d take 5m. We’re just talking semantics, though. I don’t think either side started at a realistic valuation. Reckon we’ll get there.
Yeah but he does it cleanly and effectively. I want my defenders crunching opposing attackers. We have lost our fear factor, I want our defenders scaring the opposition. I'm a former keeper. I just like having that fire in front of me, especially if im a timid kerper like DDG
The opposite of Wan-Bissaka is Luke Shaw who stands off and lets his winger cross at will.
This should be done soon, very exciting signing.
Just pay the money you tight fecks.
I’m sure they are waiting until after the internationals before finalising this deal. No point paying £50m if he breaks his leg and is out for the season.
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