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Aaron Wan-Bissaka | The Ornacle speaks: It is done.
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In the latest episode of the United Hour Podcast, Nik and Imran are here to talk about a frustrating 2 points dropped at Crystal Palace. They then discuss the regeneration of Old Trafford. Finally, Nik is joined by special guest Michael Statham from the Football Oranje podcast - who gives us a more in depth look at our EL opposition FC Twente, and then runs through the (many) Dutch connections currently at United.
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Indeed the way we do our business these days is I cant imagine anything official will come out till after the under 21's tournament is over/England are out
Wan-Bissaka never had a loan spell?
I can see us negotiating his price for another month then scrapping it and deciding to give "Youngy" another season as a main starter.
Overrated RB for sick money. We should got Mbabu for 9, now we end up spending 70 for young RB, who has no experience at big games, no national caps, nothing. He might be good, he might not... Most players, who are coming here regressing badly.
I think that's a 50/50 possibility.
I can see this happening too sadly.
oh ffs, just get this over the line, will you?
I don't know why a club our size squabbles over this kind of money, especially for a young player that we may have for a decade. If we're willing to pay the extra £15m in add ons just pay it now and crack on with the next deal.
We won't be our size for very long by just paying whatever we're told to. If you set that precedent we'll get milked dry every time, and the same people complaining about wrapping deals up quickly will say we overpaid.
Get the feeling Ed can't win. Overpay people call him a joke, haggle people call him a joke.
True.
We already are getting milked dry every time, and already overpay for every transfer we do, bar James.
I totally agree... but it's last summer's "savings" that cost us Top 4.
But why does it take him a week to come up with a new offer? We have been discussing this signing for weeks now, first it was preparing a bid, then first bid, now 2nd bid.... all within 4 weeks or so
45m + 10m will do the trick.
We will wait another 2 weeks for the next bid
We will wait another 2 weeks for the next bid
True story however offering 35 + 5 and it being rejected only to return with 35 + 15 is slightly insulting (if true). Palace clearly want more up front not hypothetical money should we ever get out of our slump (which you can see why they'd be sceptical)
Woodward and the other fools around him have proven for 6 years they are inept at transfer dealings. The world knows Uniteds business why can we not just get deals done without all this chaos. If we want a player then pay for him or go find another player. We will waste a whole summer bidding for 2 or 3 players then end up with another Fellaini
Is Woodward trying to figure out all the different ways he can add numbers to get to 50?
I'm not sure I'd consider an extra 10 million (25% increase) as "insulting"...People realise we have books to balance as well right?
It just takes him to long to make offers. Say give them ultimatum.
First offer 35m+15 adds on, rejected. Then give them 2nd and final offer from us. If they don't agree the 2nd time, move on to other target.
And why it seems like we start doing business only in the Summer if W-B is our main target?
Can people stop pretending that they know how transfer works because you have signed players in fifa and FM ?
Feck - this moaning is way too much. Criticise Ed for not getting things done. But when it comes to financial things, let him do as per the books. Not all the clubs pay everything upfront.
Atleast be happy, things are moving in the background.
Feck - this moaning is way too much. Criticise Ed for not getting things done. But when it comes to financial things, let him do as per the books. Not all the clubs pay everything upfront.
Atleast be happy, things are moving in the background.
We’re already being fleeced, that’s not going to change any time soon. We’ve missed out on loads of transfers because of a few million quid which isn’t a massive amount for us dating back to the Ronaldinho saga.
It’s more important for us to secure some decent transfers this summer more so than others. This summer feels like a defining window with a new positive manager, a much talked about rebuild and with two key players leaving (which isn’t all that bad) bringing in £200m+. Surely this is the time to throw caution to the wind a bit and be ok with spending a bit more than needed to lock the players down that Ole wants.
Is it maybe our lack of experience with this sort of thing that makes it seem like a pointless gap, when in actual fact there are things going on that we're unaware of?
I get really dubious about critisicing things like this because I've never been involved in the process. There's a good chance my ignorance makes it seem like someone is incompetent.
I know from personal experience how lengthy minor processes can be to get put through at work. Someone puts a proposal for something fairly basic forward but it gets rejected for may number of reasons. They don't just quickly scribble out any amendments and return the same day. The changes to the proposal take time, you usually have to re-evaluate the risks and financial implications, get sign off from other places yet again because the new proposal will be different etc. It can take a while.
I don't imagine Ed is sat there, picks up the phone, speaks to Palace, makes an offer, puts the phone down once its rejected, then has a think and calls back half hour later and bangs another 10 million on. I assume there is some form of process for an offer being drafted baring in mind things like agent, commercial and marketing implications etc. All of this potentially needs reviewing, amending in places etc, particularly if you're dealing with conditional add ons. Once the original offer is rejected, it probabaly needs reconsidering and going back through legal, finance, whoever to be re-drafted, signed off on any increases or changes and then proposed again.
I've seen fans saying things like this for years, from all different clubs and I'd lean towards our ignorance than so many clubs and ceos simply being useless. I could be totally wrong, if anyone has a decent level of experience in anything even remotely close to this type of negotiation, I'd be interested to hear their thoughts. People talk about this sort of thing like it's Fifa style negotiating and Monopoly money is used.
Because the add ons protect us if he flops.
Surely that's obvious? If we had taken that approach to Martial we would have paid £470m or whatever it was the papers said he cost us up front rather than just £35m + add ons for milestones he never achieved.
I get that if we’re a small club but quibbling over £15m for a young player that we could have for a decade seems daft in my opinion especially when Young is the other option.
You say 15m, but it's likely if we opened with £50m Palace would have said £60m.
Negotiations are all about building up to a deal both club and player are happy with. We'll get AWB, that much is pretty obvious now, but it'll be a deal everyone is happy with. Likely 40-45m up front with the rest in realistic add-ons.
If it takes another 10 days to get there, it's not a problem at all and it's in plenty of time before pre-season.
Didn't I ready we have a cash balance of like 70m like 1 years back?
Yep, reeks of Woodward titting about.
First off, we don't know if it takes a week. Second, I know clubs make cash-flow assessments before making a bid. For an organisation that rakes in ~€700m annually, it's not an easy task. Third, making bid after bid is a bad negotiating tactic, it shows you are desperate.
If that's the case then why do clubs like Real finish transfers without fuss? Look at the number of players they have signed in a window that is similar to the sort of transition we should have conducted since 2013. The only clubs remaining inactive are those like Liverpool and City who have somewhat settled squads already, or cheapskates like Spurs and Arsenal. And us.
And its' not like Woodward actually has a good track record that we can give the benefit of the doubt. Let's not sugarcoat things, he is clearly incompetent.
We will end up with Max Aarons I think. We won't give Palace the full 50 million.
Yeah, it's only £15mil...
Real Madrid have for the longest time been in the most ideal negotiating position. "Smaller" clubs bizarrely tend to bend over backwards for them because they are the only side their player wants to join and they don't want to stand in the way of a player's dream. Club's ask for a fair price and Real pay up.
Ajax are going to sell a few players this summer with very little negotiation also, they respect their players and ask for fair prices when they could do a Crystal Palace and demand 100m+ for MDL.
United's biggest issue is dealing with English clubs, they are all too rich and too stubborn.
I think it shows that we’re very aware of the fact he’s had one good season thus far. We’re fine with the 50m part, it’s a reasonable price to pay in this market, we just want a bit of insurance in case he turns out to be a dud.
There's no guarantee they'll see that extra 25% though is there
Another reason Ole doesn't have a clue what he is doing! Yeah, lets go for young hungry British players that will cost 50% more than the equivalent abroad!
If Dan James was foreign, the price would have been closer to 7 million
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