I watch football. No he wasn't.
Aaron Wan-Bissaka | The Ornacle speaks: It is done.
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I watch football. No he wasn't.
All I’m saying, and the numbers back it up is he will have more tackles, interceptions, and clearances than anyone else in that list because palace defend more.
That's literally the opposite of what I said.It's a bit rich coming from you who is adamant that fullback has to be more defensive than attacking.
I said there is no single template for a fullback to follow.
He doesn't have the passing game so like the rest of our defence he will play on the back foot when pressed hard by aggressive pressing attacking teams like pool, city. Those types of players will end up making a simple short pass, losing the ball, retreating and/or booting it aimlessly upfield. Now that is fine for getting back into the top 4 but that's not enough for getting back to the top. He is a good stopper, possibly the best RB at that in the league, but he is limited.
I'm not going to explain the price issue to you. That should be obvious.
Getting fed up of this already.
Just put in the best bid and move on. We dont need the best right back in the world, just a big upgrade on Valencia and Young which shouldnt be difficult.
We arent going to get 6 world class players in this window, and I think MF is more in need of the 'superstar' players.
Just put in the best bid and move on. We dont need the best right back in the world, just a big upgrade on Valencia and Young which shouldnt be difficult.
We arent going to get 6 world class players in this window, and I think MF is more in need of the 'superstar' players.
AWB will be a good signing, very good defensively. Considering how poor our defense was last season, a good defender seems a sensible way to go. Attacking can be improved as we go on, he’s only 21 after all.
I agree he looks good defensively from the very little I have seen of him. One question, he does seem to dive in a lot with last minute tackles, which to be fair he gets timed right most times. Is he positiononaly correct or can he be dragged around? As you say only 21 so can be trained, but if we do get him it may be heart in mouth with those tackles.
I don’t have the numbers to hand, they’re probably in this thread already, but 1 on 1, he’s amongst the best, stats wise, in Europe
the whole right side for Manchester United team has been an issue for too long we need to be cleaver about our transfers take a page out of Liverpool's book we mock them for buying the Southampton squad but come on look at the bigger picture they bought established names in the BPL that have proven themselves to handle the intensity of this league, yes not all paned out but most did and they have reached the champions league with them, no disrespect to Menuier he is a great player but we cannot afford this kind of risk, AWB is the correct choice in my opinion I just hope Ed sees that.
I assume he would - that is the point of what I was saying: that Solskjaer signing pacy wingers and defensive full backs might give us clues about how he wants to set up the team.
When I said you can't just ignore players' particular strengths and weakness I was disagreeing with you saying that all that matters is if he's a better player than Dalot/Young.
£25m - £30m and you can have 100% of the Zaha deal.
Oh don’t get me wrong I agree with what you’re saying - but for me the difference in quality is so vast that it’s a no brainer
Well you are wrong about his passing game, suggest you go and watch a few of his full games and you will see he is very comfortable on the ball and a significantly better passer than our current options. Put him in a better quality team that plays on the front foot and he will give you plenty going forward. Regarding the price I think you will have to explain because you are currently claiming that the price for a top full back has gone down in the 2 years since City signed Walker which makes no sense at all. AWB is the best option for a position of real need, we can pay the price or we can continue on the path to emulating Liverpool circa 1992-2015, I know which option I prefer but some people seem to be enjoying wallowing in failure.
Don't say I didn't warn you. Just wait and see.
As for wallowing...
. That passive aggressive streak can't be good for your health. Maybe they should let people on here say what they want to say.This probably could have been wrapped up weeks ago had we not opened with a lowball offer and then haggled for price. Gotta love the penny pinching board.
Sky said our opening bid was 40m, that's not little
A £35m opening offer is not penny pinching.
Also, he is away with England U-21’s until 25th June so it was never going to happen quickly.
Yup, with negotiations you always go straight in with your highest bid. Really throws them off
Don't say I didn't warn you. Just wait and see.
As for wallowing...
So that is a no on explaining yourself then? <insert passive aggressive comment>
At the end of the day I just worry that we baulk at paying 60m now and the net result will be another years extension for Young announced in January and then we go back in for AWB next summer and now the price is 80m, similair to the crap we are dealing with from Leicester for Maguire. Worst case scenario seems that we pay the 60m, at the very least tighten up our defence in a big way for the next couple of years and then if we do end up preferring Dalot, Laird or whoever we can sell AWB at a profit because he is still a really good player and will still only be 23 or 24 years old.
Ok, mate. Sorry for that unpleasant tone post(s).
I'm not against Wan-Bissaka type of signing. I'm mostly against the signing fee for a type of fullback that I don't think we need. We have Shaw, a defensive minded FB on the left.
Throughout football history, big and successful teams need at least one of their fullback to be attacking minded. I'm not sure this team is ready to be revolutionary by trying to invent a new system where both fullbacks are defensive minded.
Dalot is attack minded.
Is he necessarily defensive, or did he play that way due to Palace being what they are? In the last couple of matches, he even bagged a goal or two and had some assists. Perhaps he has been playing with shackles. He used to play as a winger, so he should have some attacking instincts.
Now I'm confuse. Are we playing with two RB?
Young and Valencia used to be wingers, too.
But yes, perhaps he's been playing with shackles. That's a 50-70m gamble to take.
2 RB that compete for one spot. One has a supposed weakness in attack that is nowhere near found out yet - but we have another one who can play if that is the case in Dalot.
Then Wan Bissaka at the age of 21 finds himself under a player who is more attacking and has to work on that aspect. If Wan Bissaka does great instead of Dalot then Dalot has to work on his defensive game.
Shaw has problems with his crossing - the best way we can go about this is go after a fullback on the left hand side that can cross. Ask them to compete & no we will never play with 2 LB's.
Valencia started out really well as a RB, though, and even Young, when playing LB, was an attacking threat. Wan-Bissaka is still young and learning.
Having options is always a good thing when you need other tactics. Having an attack minded, defence minded (even though his attacking game is underrated) is always a good thing. High press with full backs cancelling the attacking full backs of the opposition and then having pace with the wingers to exploit the space opposition full backs have vacated. In games where we are attacking a block you can switch it up with more attacking options. Just a couple of examples. Having options is always a good thing.
We actually have this young lad called Regan Poole who had a blinder against Mancity in the FA cup and also during his team championship play off. He's got fantastic cross and long pass on him and he's no slouch at defending, especially when deployed on the right, either as a fullback or RCB. That's not to mention the likes of O'Connor, Laird, Fosu Mensah. What we're searching for in Paris could be right at our doorstep.
Regan Poole is now at MK Dons.
Seriously? We shouldn't have let go of him. He's looked like the proper defender he is at Newport since he's been deployed on the right, compared to the left side of defence he used to play in the academy. He could have solved our right back woe.
According to the Guardian, Crystal Palace want United to remove the 20% Zaha sell on fee.
Say Zaha is worth £75m, United would recoup £15m.
Surely £35m plus agreeing to remove the sell on fee would be enough. Total package worth circa £50m.
I don’t think Zaha would go for that, the clause is what’s setting his price so high, if we agreed to remove the clause then he’d probably go for a lower fee.
With 50-70m price, I'm expecting WB as a main FB, not just as an "option". It goes also with Shaw, another expensive FB. Those two are defensive minded FB.
Just go for Max Aarons if that's the price. Cheaper and we'll get a transfer fee for Zaha.
I have a feeling Aarons will not be much cheaper.
I think he would
He would be a little cheaper, he is also not PL proven and would be a prospect like Dalot rather than an instant every game starter like AWB. Aarons says we are ok with finishing lower than 6th next year, AWB says we want top 4. If I am Pogba or DDG and I am being asked to commit the prime of my career to this club I know which player I want Ed to sign. Decisions like this are not made in a vacuum and will have a knock on effect with our existing squad and other targets.
AWB has one good season in the PL though, it's not that big of a statement other than the price. Both are young, both relativey untested and we don't know if either can step up or if they are one season wonders. The only difference is AWB had his season in the PL and the price will be much higher. The only thing it says is that we're willing to spend a fortune on an unproven fullback. I'd take Aarons at this point.
If being rated the best defender amongst all eligible PL RBs is unproven I will have to agree to disagree.
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