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Arya being the smartest person in the world is just following her natural arch: from lost girl, to Shaolin master, to greatest swordsman, to smartest person ever. It's called character development. Or do you only read books?
No obviously Sansa is the most intelligent person in the world. Obviously because that's how Arya has grown up to known her in all the time, they have spent to together. Brann who literally knows everything about everything from past, present and future obviously can't light a candle to Sansa's incredible scheming.
 

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Given there is only 6 episodes left seemed a bit mad that the episode is largely just fan service for reunions and dialogue explaining who people are.

The only notable thing in the episode was Jon Snow finding out who his parents are, but I just couldn’t buy his reaction. Might need to watch it again.
 

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I didn't mind it as a season opener. It's early setting things up. Did people just expect to be plunged straight into a huge battle?

That said the whole Jon riding a dragon segment was fecking awful.
Me neither I thought it was a decent episode. It is interesting as the biggest criticism for last season was it was rushed and this opener to some was too slow.

I wonder if we'll see Ghost this season, all that money on Dragons couldn't drop 2mins of that weird John Snow riding a dragon scene for just 20 seconds of a dire wolf.
 

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Now that source material has run out, the writers and showrunners have written the show into a quality decline. It's very difficult to maintain such high standards over so many seasons, especially when the story isn't even your own brain child.
 

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I too am baffled how you've completely missed my point :)
I read your post again and still disagree with what you're saying. If someone goes into the show liking the realism elements of intrigue/politics etc then they should also not be shocked or surprised that the show turned fantasy given that was the entire plotline and main theme of the show. That was the symbolism behind the comet. The entire premise of the show was having a world set in a semi realistic medieval setting and for magic to start waking up and watching how the people react and evolve.

It's late, so if i've misunderstood your post... I give up. :lol:
 

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If you've been reading Mary Shelley and in the last few chapters Abbot and Costello show up pratting about, you can't paint the shift as consistency because scifi/fantasy and the Monster was lurking the whole time. Tone, theme, detail, character. All change. Simple.

Night King cooler than a polar bear's toenail.
 

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I read your post again and still disagree with what you're saying. If someone goes into the show liking the realism elements of intrigue/politics etc then they should also not be shocked or surprised that the show turned fantasy given that was the entire plotline and main theme of the show. That was the symbolism behind the comet. The entire premise of the show was having a world set in a semi realistic medieval setting and for magic to start waking up and watching how the people react and evolve.

It's late, so if i've misunderstood your post... I give up. :lol:
Kind of agree. My biggest concern is that the quality of the intrigue is gone, such as Littlefinger last season. The focus of the show has changed, which is fine, but one of the big staples of the show (how the characters evolve the world around them) has become more about how the world shapes their actions, rather than the other way around. An argument can be made that this is just another evolution of the story, but it goes against the main plot device that GRRM uses - which makes me question the quality of the writing staff and their inability to write anything other than pop-drama.
 

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Why did Jaime come to Winterfell again ? I've forgotten that part.

So I am guessing Forum theories etc still constitute as a spoiler?
Think he disagreed on his sisters idea to exploit the north's potential war with the white walkers and wanted to help with the war instead.
 

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Think he disagreed on his sisters idea to exploit the north's potential war with the white walkers and wanted to help with the war instead.
Aah, yes. You are right. Cheers.
Ballsy move to come to Winterfell without any guards though.
 

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Theory on like ending - I'm quasi sure

It will go like the wire. Cersei becomes the mad queen. Gives birth before dying and tells Jaime to keep him safe. Gendry and Jon or Daenerys will lead a rebellion south. And then multiple other parrallisms will play through. Itll be painful and many will moan
 

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Theory on like ending - I'm quasi sure

It will go like the wire. Cersei becomes the mad queen. Gives birth before dying and tells Jaime to keep him safe. Gendry and Jon or Daenerys will lead a rebellion south. And then multiple other parrallisms will play through. Itll be painful and many will moan
my ending

The white walkers kill everyone since they're obviously an allegory for climate change that almost everyone has ignored for their petty and vindictive feuds
 

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Lack of source material. As simple as that. It’s been awful since somewhere around season 5.

The dialogues in the episode were so predictable like something out of a second rate comedy show

Hound to throw a c word/b word.
Arya saying”one or two”
Sansa saying “it had its moments”
But did they ever lift pieces of dialogue straight from the books? Especially minor comedic stuff?
 

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How many just hate-watching this now?
I dont hate watching it. In fact I've looked forward to season 8 due to the fact that it's a show I do find fascinating and used to rate highly. So I'm very curious as to how everything will conclude and do get excited to watch it. But at the same time, there is a sense of disappointment in how A) the direction of the show could have been better and more importantly B) the overall quality has consistently declined over the years.
 

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Anyone know where Arya picked up the valarian dagger that she shows to Gendry?
I might be misremembering but is it not the dagger the assassin Jamie hired to kill Bran used and Bran gave it to Arya? Can’t remember why Bran still had it though.
 

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Anyone know where Arya picked up the valarian dagger that she shows to Gendry?
Little finger gave it to Bran, Bran gave it to Arya in the court yard with the tree when Arya first meets him as the 3 eyed raven. He says:”it’s useless on a cripple” Sansa bemoans accepting a gift from little finger blah blah blah.
 

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so how will Dani take the news that John is actually Aegon, her nephew? Is there any proof at Winterfell? Did Sam take it from Old town

not sure if this needed spoilered as it's from last season
 

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Given there is only 6 episodes left seemed a bit mad that the episode is largely just fan service for reunions and dialogue explaining who people are.

The only notable thing in the episode was Jon Snow finding out who his parents are, but I just couldn’t buy his reaction. Might need to watch it again.
Yep, I concur. I really don’t understand the GoT nerds who get all giddy because two characters who were companions once upon a time in S01 meet once again in S08 for a thirty second, inane exchange. It’s just bizarre. I know the show is probably the most popular show of all time (and certainly the most discussed due to the age of the internet and the role of social media) and a lot of fans discuss their fantasies about the direction they’d like the show to take, but these ‘fan service segments’ are pure bluster, often only being lip service segments as they don’t further the plot at all, instead simply satisfying the cravings of said nerds online. Certainly the most annoying aspect of a commendable television production, for me.
 

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Bran said it the best. We don't have time for greetings and chit chat. White walkers are a day away and there they are, recollection the good old times or who loves or hates who.
 

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Bran said it the best. We don't have time for greetings and chit chat. White walkers are a day away and there they are, recollection the good old times or who loves or hates who.
He's right. However those feckers are so slow they may well arriving at Winterfell at episode 5
 

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Theory on like ending - I'm quasi sure

It will go like the wire. Cersei becomes the mad queen. Gives birth before dying and tells Jaime to keep him safe. Gendry and Jon or Daenerys will lead a rebellion south. And then multiple other parrallisms will play through. Itll be painful and many will moan
The realm is the realm
 

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The ‘Sansa is so clever/Tyrion is an idiot’ complete 180° is also pretty irritating and definitely signposting the direction this storyline is taking.

Sigh.
Yeah, the way they try to tell us she's clever is also so silly. Blatantly obvious stuff like they shouldn't trust Cersei or that the armies will need to be fed are supposed to show her as a clever but just make every other character seem stupid instead.
 

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People like to be negative and moan! This thread has become as negative as our match day threads.... It was the first episode and all had to be set up properly for the next 5 episodes. I enjoyed it and I cant wait for the next one!
 

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No idea. Maybe that sense of jeapordy has only just worn off? How many seasons ago was it when yer man had his head squished by the massive bloke? That was pretty shocking.
Yeah that was season 4. That season they killed off Joffrey, Oberyn, Tywin, the Hound (we thought), Shae and Ygritte that I can remember. They’ve been really reluctant to do anything so ballsy since.
 

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People like to be negative and moan! This thread has become as negative as our match day threads.... It was the first episode and all had to be set up properly for the next 5 episodes. I enjoyed it and I cant wait for the next one!
Ughhhh so in a discussion forum if people didn’t enjoy something they should just sit on their opinion so others can sit an echo chamber?

What people are saying is that it wasn’t set up properly. The dialogue was pretty patchy, it all felt very rushed and moments that should have been big things didn’t get the time and importance they deserved.