Television Game of Thrones (TV) • The watch has ended

Redlambs said:
Yeah I clearly meant about you.

Fanboys are the worst :lol:
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Fanboy?

When every other post is about a comparison to the books rather than the television show itself, it ruins the discussion. There's a dedicated book thread for that.

Imagine how shit the ASOIF thread would be if half the posts were about LOTR. That's the equivalent of what's happening here for people who only watch the show.
 
I can already imagine what the writing sessions with D&D were like

D "remember when everyone complained about the episode beyond the wall where characters spewed exposition for ages?"

Other D *snort* "yeah, and we wasted our CGI budget on a pointless scene with a zombie polar bear?"

D "Yeah, but let's focus on the important stuff. People REALLY hated the fan servicey exchanges between characters where they just referenced stuff they did together in previous episodes."

Other D "Yeah" *snorrrrrrrrrttt* "and then we had a zombie polar bear and loads of dragons flying in and going 'FECKING BLLAAAAARRRRRGGGGG IMA DRAGIN' and fire and shit"

D "yeah, that shit was awesome. People liked that stuff didn't they? I forget"

Other D "as long as YouTubers make reaction videos and those dumb cnuts in that Burlington Bar stare at the screens gawking, and people don't ask too many questions like 'why has the show become the same as everything else on TV' we should *snorrrrrrrrrtttttt* be fine"

D *snort* "so, yeah, let's do more of that stuff again. This shit is amazing, what's it called?"

Other D "it's called 'finely crushed fan expectations'"
 
duffer said:
He grew up as part of the nobility, they've always done that sort of thing.
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It's established quite clearly in the show that people consider the relationship between Cersei/Jaime to be messed up and very wrong.

The Starks (by whom Jon was raised) also really don't seem the kind of house to encourage that kind of shit.

In real life incest was very commonplace within the nobility yes, but in the show I think it's clearly established that the Targaryens and maybe some other Houses generations ago did it, but now most people think it's weird as hell.
 
Berbaclass said:
My take on things. Not really spoilers but I've referenced a few episodes so I used one just to be safe.

So I've recently just watched the 7th season for the first time this week after kinda losing interest after watching the first six seasons. Admittedly I've never been the biggest fan of the show and have never read the books etc.

As a few people have said I think the show ultimately peaked at the 'Red Wedding' and also 'Battle of the Bastards' for me. I think the problem they have given themselves is that there have been many good characters over the course of the whole thing but they've mostly just been murdered or killed off.

Now we're left with what remains and let's be honest, it's not the deepest pool of talent in the world but I still find it entertaining and I still watch.

Mostly I think because we've all invested so much time in the series already and we're about to reach the conclusion.

What I just don't really understand though is that people are trying to take the thing seriously. A show with flying dragons, undead armies and magic isn't really a serious show is it and I think can only be taken at face value. It's just meant to be entertaining and if they take a few shortcuts here or there then whatever I suppose.

I think you also have to remember that the final season of any TV show is always extremely difficult to pull off. They can't possibly please everybody.
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Good post.

Damn these opening and closing Spoilers are annoy. It's safe to say anyone with a brain would just ignore this thread until they've caught up so do we really need to keep doing spoilers?
 
Dante said:
Fanboy?

When every other post is about a comparison to the books rather than the television show itself, it ruins the discussion. There's a dedicated book thread for that.

Imagine how shit the ASOIF thread would be if half the posts were about LOTR. That's the equivalent of what's happening here for people who only watch the show.
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Yeah man, I'm just messing with you a little. I do agree, and I didn't think the episode was that bad all in all, however you can't go calling everyone a book reader just because people think the writing quality and dialogue has gone down the pan.

RedSky said:
I've only seen Grease once but i'm pretty sure thats not what Grease was like...
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I dunno, add a song to it and it's not far off :lol:

"Jon rides his dragon, he's burning up a quarter mile..."
 
SquishyMcSquish said:
It's established quite clearly in the show that people consider the relationship between Cersei/Jaime to be messed up and very wrong.

The Starks (by whom Jon was raised) also really don't seem the kind of house to encourage that kind of shit.

In real life incest was very commonplace within the nobility yes, but in the show I think it's clearly established that the Targaryens and maybe some other Houses generations ago did it, but now most people think it's weird as hell.
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Brother and sister is a whole different ball game.
 
Walrus said:
Used to love the political intrigue, the backstabbing and scheming etc. Now it’s much more about big fantasy set piece battles which, whilst enjoyable, aren’t what [early] GoT was about.
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It was always heading that way from Season 1 with the introduction of Dragons and Undead. Whats changed is that the Undead/Dragon storylines are now the main focus.
 
Can we just go back to the old rules?

No spoiler tags about show content after it's aired in the US. And no mention of the books anywhere in this thread.
 
Also, is it me or are all the female leads basically the same now?

They're all icy, emotionless generic female 'badasses' who roll their eyes at how silly men are.

Alright, that's always been Cersei and to an extent Daenerys (because Emilia Clarke can't act) but Sansa and particularly Arya used to have personalities, now they're just reduced to nothingness.

Yara still had a personality but I don't think we'll see much of her any longer.
 
Redlambs said:
Yeah man, I'm just messing with you a little. I do agree, and I didn't think the episode was that bad all in all, however you can't go calling everyone a book reader just because people think the writing quality and dialogue has gone down the pan.



I dunno, add a song to it and it's not far off :lol:

"Jon rides his dragon, he's burning up a quarter mile..."
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I'm calling the book readers, book readers.
 
duffer said:
Brother and sister is a whole different ball game.
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I don't think the Starks are the kind of family who would have rolled with incest.

Also, they're trying to make the relationship work with a modern audience, to whom the idea of a dude banging his Aunt is really weird. I don't think it works.
 
SquishyMcSquish said:
I don't think the Starks are the kind of family who would have rolled with incest.

Also, they're trying to make the relationship work with a modern audience, to whom the idea of a dude banging his Aunt is really weird. I don't think it works.
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There's no way both make it to the end anyway.

Speculation...
Gendry and Arya to be King and Queen. Robert Baratheon said it in episode 1 "I've got a son, you've got a daughter, let's join our houses".
 
duffer said:
There's no way both make it to the end anyway.

Speculation...
Gendry and Arya to be King and Queen. Robert Baratheon said it in episode 1 "I've got a son, you've got a daughter, let's join our houses".
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I agree, and have thought it for a long time. Pork pie as page boy.
 
SquishyMcSquish said:
Also, is it me or are all the female leads basically the same now?

They're all icy, emotionless generic female 'badasses' who roll their eyes at how silly men are.

Alright, that's always been Cersei and to an extent Daenerys (because Emilia Clarke can't act) but Sansa and particularly Arya used to have personalities, now they're just reduced to nothingness.

Yara still had a personality but I don't think we'll see much of her any longer.
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But Sansa is the smartest person Arya has ever met.

At this point you wouldn't be surprised if the last episode was just the women all having an icy staring contest.

I miss Roz, her minge was a cheerful character and provided great exposition.
 
Redlambs said:
I dunno, add a song to it and it's not far off :lol:

"Jon rides his dragon, he's burning up a quarter mile..."
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*shrugs* think people are hating for no real reason. Its reminding me of all the people tearing Star Wars to pieces, as seen by @SquishyMcSquish who seems to have an issue with strong female characters. They're all about to face a massive battle against the undead (most of who will probably die) and we're expecting them to be all cheery and bubbly.

I get depressed reading this thread frankly. Think I might just put it on ignore and discuss it elsewhere away from those who just come in here to tear it apart. It's starting to become a matchday thread. :(
 
Speculation...

Maggy the Frog predicted Cersei will have three kids and all of them will die, which has happened. She also said Cersei will be killed by her "little brother" -- we're meant to think Tyrion but I wonder if it's Euron. He is keen to put a baby in her belly.

I can't help but think Sam is a goner. It's almost the way Bran is foreshadowing something is going to happen (well he can bloody see into the future).
 
InLevyITrust said:
I don’t think that’s fair, book readers have invested a lot of time in this. And a lot of shit time *feast for crows* was a slog. People put time in and have been served a shit sandwich at the very end.
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Book readers can feck off as far I'm concerned. They are in general so arrogant it's ridiculous. This is a TV show after all, it was never gonna keep up with the books forever
 
I don’t think people would tear into it as much if it had been as shit as it is now from the start.
 
RedSky said:
*shrugs* think people are hating for no real reason. Its reminding me of all the people tearing Star Wars to pieces, as seen by @SquishyMcSquish who seems to have an issue with strong female characters. They're all about to face a massive battle against the undead (most of who will probably die) and we're expecting them to be all cheery and bubbly.

I get depressed reading this thread frankly. Think I might just put it on ignore and discuss it elsewhere away from those who just come in here to tear it apart. It's starting to become a matchday thread. :(
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To be fair it works both ways.

But yeah, I think I'm going to dip until the season is done too. There's not much point talking about it on here.
 
Guy Incognito said:
Maggy the Frog predicted Cersei will have three kids and all of them will die, which has happened. She also said Cersei will be killed by her "little brother" -- we're meant to think Tyrion but I wonder if it's Euron. He is keen to put a baby in her belly.

I can't help but think Sam is a goner. It's almost the way Bran is foreshadowing something is going to happen (well he can bloody see into the future.
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Euron/little brother ?
 
Arya being the smartest person in the world is just following her natural arch: from lost girl, to Shaolin master, to greatest swordsman, to smartest person ever. It's called character development. Or do you only read books?
 
Guy Incognito said:
Maggy the Frog predicted Cersei will have three kids and all of them will die, which has happened. She also said Cersei will be killed by her "little brother" -- we're meant to think Tyrion but I wonder if it's Euron. He is keen to put a baby in her belly.

I can't help but think Sam is a goner. It's almost the way Bran is foreshadowing something is going to happen (well he can bloody see into the future).
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Interesting, but how does Euron tie in with "little brother"? I don't think it will be Tyrion. I'm not even convinced she's going to die and for me if it's anyone it will be Jaime, I can't recall if he's the younger twin though.
 
RedSky said:
*shrugs* think people are hating for no real reason. Its reminding me of all the people tearing Star Wars to pieces, as seen by @SquishyMcSquish who seems to have an issue with strong female characters. They're all about to face a massive battle against the undead (most of who will probably die) and we're expecting them to be all cheery and bubbly.

I get depressed reading this thread frankly. Think I might just put it on ignore and discuss it elsewhere away from those who just come in here to tear it apart. It's starting to become a matchday thread. :(
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:lol: Oh feck off.

I have no issue with strong female characters, I have an issue with boring characters who have zero personality, and I have an even bigger issue with it when the female characters have become carbon copies of each other.

I literally mentioned in the same post that I think Yara is great and genuinely has a personality, and she's a strong female character. I loved Arya a couple of seasons ago when she remained a strong female character but still had a personality and was an interesting person to watch on screen. She was going through some horrible shit back then too, but she still had character.

Just because you think people are hating for no reason doesn't mean you're right. The writing has gone seriously downhill and that's super clear. The show still has some enjoyable moments but for the main part is very disappointing now and has experienced a sharp drop in quality, so yes most people are going to talk about that in the discussion thread.
 
kouroux said:
Euron/little brother ?
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Art Vandelay said:
Interesting, but how does Euron tie in with "little brother"? I don't think it will be Tyrion. I'm not even convinced she's going to die and for me if it's anyone it will be Jaime, I can't recall if he's the younger twin though.
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Yeah, the prophecy said a "little brother" and it didn't specify who exactly. Euron is the younger brother of Balon.

There were hints last season that Cersei was pregnant but if yesterday's episode is any indication (drinking wine), it's that she must've lost it and she's plotting. Maybe she's happy to carry Euron's child but will attach it to Jaime.
 
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I'm deeply offended by the lack of spoiler tags on recent pages. The 24h spoiler embargo hasn't been lifted yet.
 
RedSky said:
It was always heading that way from Season 1 with the introduction of Dragons and Undead. Whats changed is that the Undead/Dragon storylines are now the main focus.
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Peter Dinklage said in his recent interview that he wasn't interested in doing "a fantasy show" when they offered him a role in GoT because they're usually "heavy on the dragon and light on the characters", so when he read the script he was pleasantly surprised when this show was the other way around. I wonder how he would feel knowing then that the show would just become another fantasy show.

That's the problem: if this was a generic fantasy show from day one then there would be very little to complain about. Expectations would be different - the thematic lines would have been drawn from the very beginning and you would know where you and the show stood. When the show started if was simple: "it's got fantasy stuff but not too much, and seems much more realistic compared to medieval life". Ok, cool.

The books are a little different. "It's got a lot of realism, but it also has magic crystals that are like telephones. Ok, still cool. Harry Potter, LotR, a Tory promise. All works of fiction but from the get go it makes you accept that what is in front of you is the reality you are being brought into.

GoT set itself up as a completely different style of show when it began. I get that shows evolve but evolution usually maintains some of the previous versions swings. In this case, the intrigue, deception and poetry seems to have all been forgotten. The previous seasons didn't have enough money to show you the battles so instead of Rob ambushing Jaime and showing it, it relied on smooth transitions between scenes and building up emotional expectations. Now that the budget allows them to show all of the big shiny stuff they have taken the easy way out.

This season looks like it's building up towards the great war against the WW and Cersei being the focal points of the show, which I can guarantee both of my remaining balls is completely missing the point of the books and what will be the key aspects of them. Much like The Walking Dead, which began with the message that "the real enemy isn't the one that seems obvious when it's staring you right in the face" but slowly started to forget it's own message in order to make way for flashier set pieces.
 
Guy Incognito said:
Yeah, the prophecy said a "little brother" and it didn't specify who exactly. Euron is the younger brother of Balon.

There were hints last season that Cersei was pregnant but if yesterday's episode is any indication (drinking wine), it's that she must've lost it and she's plotting. Maybe she's happy to carry Euron's child but will attach it to Jaime.
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I misunderstood you completely :lol:
 
Samid said:
I'm deeply offended by the lack of spoiler tags on recent pages. The 24h spoiler embargo hasn't been lifted yet.
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I really don't get it. If you're coming in to the game of thrones thread after you know an episode has aired, what exactly are you thinking?

I hadn't seen the episode till tonight, so didn't go near the thread because obviously it'll be full of spoilers. I don't get why people can't just avoid the thread when an episode has come out.
 
kouroux said:
Book readers can feck off as far I'm concerned. They are in general so arrogant it's ridiculous. This is a TV show after all, it was never gonna keep up with the books forever
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Yeah it would have became a TV Show without he books..... it’s the same way I hate tourists.
 
SquishyMcSquish said:
I really don't get it. If you're coming in to the game of thrones thread after you know an episode has aired, what exactly are you thinking?

I hadn't seen the episode till tonight, so didn't go near the thread because obviously it'll be full of spoilers. I don't get why people can't just avoid the thread when an episode has come out.
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Same for me. It is basic common sense or just sheer stupidity to check the thread without watching the episode
 
Walrus said:
I’m inclined to agree with the comments that the show has declined. Since the book material ran out it has gradually become more and more hollywood, sadly.

Used to love the political intrigue, the backstabbing and scheming etc. Now it’s much more about big fantasy set piece battles which, whilst enjoyable, aren’t what [early] GoT was about.

I’ll cart on watching it much like anyone else, since there are only a few episodes left and I want to see how it ends. But if this was season 1 and I had just started watching it, I certainly wouldn’t pay the Now TV subscription for it.
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Much prefer now it they’ve ditched all the convoluted bollox with a zillion characters whose names I will never remember and loads of different storylines rambling all over the shop. Last season was great and expect this one to be even better now it’s been stripped down and simplified.

The only thing that could ruin it would be getting rid of the whole regularly killing popular characters thing. That was a bit different and kept you on your toes. If it turns out they’re all comic book invulnerable it will be a lot less interesting.
 
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