Is he? I can't say I know much about him but I just had him down as an insecure narcissist.Also, José is a very complex character - but people only see the bad in him, and it's imperative that we understand what makes him act in certain ways. This is someone who was told he didn't have the physique to be a footballer like his father Félix Mourinho. He was a scout, a youth team coach, a coach in god knows what division of Portugal with Estrela da Amadora, a translator, a training coach, an assistant. He worked his way from the very bottom - step by step, after being considered a failure as a footballer, and people like that always have a tendency to be snappy when they taste success because they always think they have something to prove to the naysayers. This is why he is so bitter towards Barcelona (who still consider him to be a mere interpreter for Bobby Robson). This is why he's petulant and arrogant - something that was fueled even more because of his meteoric success.
However, for the first time in his career, Mourinho has faced major failure as a manager - first at Real Madrid and now at Chelsea. There's a train of thought that says he's a broken man, or he's taken a step back and will never be the same; but I honestly believe all these events (and the poor health of Félix Mourinho because of brain surgery) will make him reconsider his stance as a manager, and maybe humble him a bit. Then you talk about United, and we indulge our manager - give him the sort of power he wouldn't have at Madrid or Chelsea under Florentino and Roman - something that was the root of superficial issues at both clubs. Plus, even back in 2004, Mourinho said he wanted to manage United and Liverpool at England. When was the last time he said something disrespectful towards United? Never, right? His biographer said he was distraught after David was appointed as Fergie's replacement. This is the job he's wanted, and the timing couldn't be better - a disgraced manager joining forces with a club that has lost its hallow, so to speak.
Compensatory egomania.Is he? I can't say I know much about him but I just had him down as an insecure narcissist.
One whose god complex helped him to rise to success and has since fuelled his descent... Because I haven't yet seen much of humble Jose but the Jose who lashes out at those around him has been very visible. Which is the traditional response of a narcissist when people aren't lavishing them with the praise they feel they deserve and in some cases have come to expect.
Indeed.Compensatory egomania.
Great playerCompensatory egomania.
Think if he's the choice then he has to be allowed to operate as he wants. Can't see it working, otherwise. We'd just have to hope he's finally learned from his latest Chelsea stint that you don't succeed for long without bringing younger players in to the side.IF it is Morinho as most of us expect, how many on here think the board and Fergie and Chalton's insistence (if they still have a voice) that the Youth set up is still used properly.
Maybe a better poll would be...
1. Keep Van Gaal till the end of the season (then try for Pep, etc)
2. Sack Van Gaal and get Mourinho now
3. Sack Van Gaal, Giggs till end of season (then try for Pep, etc)
Waiting for Pep will ensure we end up stuck with Giggs. Pep is going to City and people need to accept that.Maybe a better poll would be...
1. Keep Van Gaal till the end of the season (then try for Pep, etc)
2. Sack Van Gaal and get Mourinho now
3. Sack Van Gaal, Giggs till end of season (then try for Pep, etc)
So you have just confirmed my thoughts. People are Changing their votes or voting now because they want LVG out.It's not about glory at this point IMO, I changed my vote as I think if we don't make a change now we wont even scrape top 4, fortunately the PL is so scattered this season it's left us with a chance of still making it if we act now.
Was Jose my first choice? Not at all, but the 3 options I wanted have all been taken off the table in the last couple of months, so basically there is no one left and he is PL proven, we need to make the move now before LvG ends our season completely.
have read in so many places Pep is all but signed up with City. But the next few days will tell us what we need to know.
Waiting for Pep will ensure we end up stuck with Giggs. Pep is going to City and people need to accept that.
Who do you want then (assuming that Pep ain't available)?If Guardiola isn't available in the summer I expect that Mourinho will be tried. Don't want him any more than I wanted Moyes or LVG.
I mean sure, he'll probably win a cup or title or both, but after the inevitable 2-3 year fallout, would all the drama be worth having to search for another manager? & most probably having to rebuild again because Jose didn't give youth a chance?
Who do you want then (assuming that Pep ain't available)?
Surely there has to be other options out there...
So you have just confirmed my thoughts. People are Changing their votes or voting now because they want LVG out.
Jose ticks all the boxes why people do not want LVG, plus he would not give youth a chance. So there is no rational reason to want him unless you are a win at all cost type of person.
If we get rid, or LVG walks, we should get someone who meets our basic requirements.
I'm not sure if I like Jose as our manager, sure it will be fun for about 2-3 years but who knows what will happen then? My 1st choice is Guardiola, obviously. But if he's going to City I'm not sure I'd like the idea of Jose at Man Utd. He really hates Guardiola and will probably make a fool of himself, again.
But what about Ronald Koeman as plan B?
I'm not sure if I like Jose as our manager, sure it will be fun for about 2-3 years but who knows what will happen then? My 1st choice is Guardiola, obviously. But if he's going to City I'm not sure I'd like the idea of Jose at Man Utd. He really hates Guardiola and will probably make a fool of himself, again.
But what about Ronald Koeman as plan B?
I'm not sure if I like Jose as our manager, sure it will be fun for about 2-3 years but who knows what will happen then? My 1st choice is Guardiola, obviously. But if he's going to City I'm not sure I'd like the idea of Jose at Man Utd. He really hates Guardiola and will probably make a fool of himself, again.
But what about Ronald Koeman as plan B?
Right now the idea of fun and 'maybe a league title' that people seem to attribute in an underwhelming way towards the possible reign Jose would have here, sounds like bliss.Well it can't be any worse then the two and a half years that have followed SAF can it?
Believe what makes you happy .But this side areUtter bollocks. This current squad was near the top a few weeks ago. He would sort us right out.
4. Keep Van Gaal till the end of season and hand over reigns to his successor Ryan GiggsMaybe a better poll would be...
1. Keep Van Gaal till the end of the season (then try for Pep, etc)
2. Sack Van Gaal and get Mourinho now
3. Sack Van Gaal, Giggs till end of season (then try for Pep, etc)
Think this is being swayed by the fact they want LVG out.
Just think all those entertaining games we will see (cough) and how the likes of Adnan, McNair, Lingard, Varela & Co get chances. I am sure we will hear a lot of at least he wins. Oh dear, real glory hunters.
His track record of success has something to do with that.Trying to work out how a manager gets sacked and within days finds himself sitting pretty choosing between two of the biggest clubs in the world for his next job.
Course, just weird the way the world turns.His track record of success has something to do with that.
One of the best posts I've read on hereThis isn't an argument to make you reconsider your stance, or maybe change you mind mate, because everyone is entitled to their opinion - and that's fair enough.
But wrt the part quoted above, he fell out with the players/ upper management at Real Madrid and Chelsea - clubs that have a history of players running the show in collusion with the presidents who have their own favorites, and keeping managers on a short leash - with a list of insta-sacked managers that includes Champions League winners Juup Heyneckes and Carlo Ancelotti; La Liga winner Fabio Capello, two times Champions League/ La Liga winner Vicente del Bosque, and Manuel Pellegrini. Since the ousting of Del Bosque in 2003 (for reaching the semi-finals of the Champions League, and winning La Liga - how very dare he!) - Real Madrid have appointed 12 managers in 12 seasons - and José lasted the longest. At Chelsea, they appointed 7 different managers in 6 years between Mourinho I and Mourinho II. So we must consider the modus operandi of the cubs he's managed. At Porto, he had to leave because the players were going to get poached, and they were not at the elite level of European football. At Internazionale, the call of Real Madrid was too enticing to resist (no one can resist Madrid because of their history and accomplishments, plus he would have the chance to overtake Pep in the league - which he did in his second season).
Also, José is a very complex character - but people only see the bad in him, and it's imperative that we understand what makes him act in certain ways. This is someone who was told he didn't have the physique to be a footballer like his father Félix Mourinho. He was a scout, a youth team coach, a coach in god knows what division of Portugal with Estrela da Amadora, a translator, a training coach, an assistant. He worked his way from the very bottom - step by step, after being considered a failure as a footballer, and people like that always have a tendency to be snappy when they taste success because they always think they have something to prove to the naysayers. This is why he is so bitter towards Barcelona (who still consider him to be a mere interpreter for Bobby Robson). This is why he's petulant and arrogant - something that was fueled even more because of his meteoric success.
However, for the first time in his career, Mourinho has faced major failure as a manager - first at Real Madrid and now at Chelsea. There's a train of thought that says he's a broken man, or he's taken a step back and will never be the same; but I honestly believe all these events (and the poor health of Félix Mourinho because of brain surgery) will make him reconsider his stance as a manager, and maybe humble him a bit. Then you talk about United, and we indulge our manager - give him the sort of power he wouldn't have at Madrid or Chelsea under Florentino and Roman - something that was the root of superficial issues at both clubs. Plus, even back in 2004, Mourinho said he wanted to manage United and Liverpool at England. When was the last time he said something disrespectful towards United? Never, right? His biographer said he was distraught after David was appointed as Fergie's replacement. This is the job he's wanted, and the timing couldn't be better - a disgraced manager joining forces with a club that has lost its hallow, so to speak.
Also, wrt the pragmaticism part too - in all his seasons as a full time manager, José has never finished outside of the league's top 2 in terms of scoring apart from the 2013/ 2014 season at Chelsea - where they finished 3rd. That's a hell of a record for someone who's been stereotyped as a defensive coach primarily because of his big game tactics where being cautious can be the difference between winning and losing - because margins are wafer thin. Even Fergie's United played some dreary football for the first half decade of his tenure, our first League winning team under him was extremely functional; and again in Europe after THAT defeat to Real Madrid. So it's not like United has always played champagne football, even under Fergie. If we get Mourinho the attacking pieces he needs, he can build a beautiful counter-attack like he did with Madrid (who averaged 108 league goals per year under him, and set a new record for goals in a Liga season).
His career overall is a bit misunderstood IMO, and he's just a very easy character to hate (in the genuine sense of the term - not pop lingo) because of his pompous nature - which can color objective arguments (not saying you weren't objective in the assessment mind, far from it - and again it's just a matter of opinion, which is perfectly fine).
Jose talking about United/LVG etc when he first arrived:
Looks dignified here
