It is possible that this is so, but unlikely. Have heard people saying so (that Madrid broke him etc) since he came at Chelsea, but then he walked the league last season.
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In the latest episode of the United Hour Podcast, Nik (@Rood) and Jamie (@Vault Dweller) are here to talk about United's dreadful home defeat at the hands of Big Ange's Tottenham Hotspur. Should this have been the end of Ten Hag? How long does he actually have left? And does Nik finally want ETH out?!
Ah feck it after today I don't give a shit anymore. I'd take Satan himself as our new manager if that means getting rid of LvG.
He's history's greatest monster.
Red Devils duh
It's ridiculous to state my opinion? Jesus
I don't find them similar at all by the way
Can't be, sure Chelsea don't have any history.
Shit .... more united fans want Jose than don't.
Takes a swig of glenfiddich and shakes head in despair.
Takes a swig of glenfiddich and shakes head in despair.
Speaks volumes about Jose that despite his record, despite how desperate we are to replace LVG, and how desperate most are that it's not with Giggs, that he only has a 50% approval rating here.
The fantasy of Pep coming in the summer probably influences that maybe, which is quite sad really cause he's going to city.
The fantasy of Pep coming in the summer probably influences that maybe, which is quite sad really cause he's going to city.
I'd imagine it's partly being influenced by the fact that LVG continues to get worse. Some people who were still on the fence about LVG may firmly want him out now, and see Mourinho as a reasonable option.
Am I the only one who would have him as 1st option, meaning even over Pep?
And a fantasy it surely is. I can't see Pep coming here. Mourinho, on the other hand, would relish the job and I think he'd adapt to our way of doing things. As I've said before, a pissed off and fired-up Mourinho with a point to prove would be great for the club.
No. I'm with you.
I'm starting to lean that way, in terms of Premier League the only one more adept is Fergie.
Honestly I think he just wanted out of Chelsea, him going back there was never going to be a long term thing and when they didn't get all the players he wanted in the summer he couldn't be bothered. I reckon he was trying to get the sack.
Think this is being swayed by the fact they want LVG out.
Just think all those entertaining games we will see (cough) and how the likes of Adnan, McNair, Lingard, Varela & Co get chances. I am sure we will hear a lot of at least he wins. Oh dear, real glory hunters.
Mourinho has achieved short term success with a number of clubs. This can be his chance to build a legacy and deliver long term success, which could explain his long standing interest in the United job. He knows that we are one of the very few elite clubs in the world who can offer him that opportunity. This fresh goal for Mourinho could be a great call for us. He's always had great respect for SAF, it wouldn't be a complete surprise if he wanted to emulate him and build a dynasty.
Feckin' hell, that's exactly the kind of character we need here, get that man a contract....
Would certainly take Mourinho now rather than Pep in summer, but if it was which one of them now, would have chosen Pep.
So if you voted yes your a glory hunter right? Whys that, because you've already decided everybody's reasoning for voting yes without actually asking them? Theres nothing like a really good sweeping generalisation to get your point across.
You're honestly comparing Mou and SAF's behavior as comparable?
Well if anything I guess we'll know by Tuesday. If Van Gaal isn't gone by then we'll know Mourinho isn't an option for the board.
I didn't say that. I said the argument for him coming is based on he wins, not his playing style and bringing in youth. So if you are only interested in the glory I think that would define you as a glory hunter. However, I think people who have now voted are basically doing it as they want LVG out.
Bah. If José had a face like a bag of spanners, his fans wouldn't want to shag him be him him to be our boss.
So there.
So there.
Lets not pretend Fergie wasn't a massive cnut at times. But he was our cnut and we all loved him.
To be fair, talking with rival fans you might think that they were talking about Satan himself when they were talking for Fergie.
We have been rival fans to Mourinho when he has been in England.
Fergie - Mourinho analogy (in terms of personality) has been for a decade now, and that isn't a coincidence. Fergie had his share of nonsense interviews, moaning, criticizing referees, falling out with players etc.
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He wasn't as bad. Mourinho would've been in charge had it not been for his antics.
Most non-United fans thought Sir Alex was a 'cnut' too.
I don't like him but I voted yes; right now I think we can do with winning something. Building for the future is all very well but we need to keep our hands in (on the trophies). I think Mourhino can do that.
I don't pretend SAF wasn't lads. I think we'd all agree on that. And I can definitely see similarities in their leadership style - the siege mentality, the fallout with some players, refs are against us etc. But trying to say they were cut from the essentially the same cloth (which I'm not accusing u two of btw), is doing a disservice to SAF IMO.
Mou has shown, in the extreme, that there's almost no line he won't cross. Has SAF ever fecking poked anyone on the sidelines in the eye, let alone get into shoving matches?
No, but he came close to assaulting Mancini:
In fact, he was definitely trying to do that if there weren't many people to stop them from fighting.
Not comparable, of course, but lets not pretend that Mourinho does that every day.
Mancini (& city) did get under the old mans skin for sure
That's how many examples of SAF we can pick out over the course of his 30 odd year managerial career. If we did the same with mourinho? The hiding in the laundry basket, the Anders Frisk incident....there are countless other incidents.
But at the end if the day it's all opinions mate and were in a sport where it's becoming ever difficult to try and choose the "moral high ground". So I'll have no issue with Mou becoming our manager, but in my opinion, I wouldn't want him to, for he reasons stated - also with a couple of footballing reasons.
It isn't the only one though. Especially when it comes to referees, he was probably the most disrespectful when it comes to it.Mancini (& city) did get under the old mans skin for sure
That's how many examples of SAF we can pick out over the course of his 30 odd year managerial career. If we did the same with mourinho? The hiding in the laundry basket, the Anders Frisk incident....there are countless other incidents.
But at the end if the day it's all opinions mate and were in a sport where it's becoming ever difficult to try and choose the "moral high ground". So I'll have no issue with Mou becoming our manager, but in my opinion, I wouldn't want him to, for he reasons stated - also with a couple of footballing reasons.
I'm keeping my vote as 'no' since I don't want Jose to be Manchester United manager (and yes I realise that isn't really the question), but I'm at the stage where I think it might actually be the best thing for us - a change is needed (though I wouldn't expect an immediate turnaround), we've missed Klopp and Ancelotti and very likely also Pep, with other good options also appearing unavailable either now or in the summer, so we're basically left with Jose as our best option.
Maybe after the Chelsea game, this will become reality.
Maybe after the Chelsea game, this will become reality.
He's rants at referees have never resulted in any of them receiving death threats & retiring though? Or at least, as far as I'm aware.
Either way, I think we're just going in circles but I respect your opinion and those others who'd be keen for Jose to sign. He's one of thee, if not thee, best around. You guys see it as bringing success back to United. And we desperately need it.
My opinion is still too swayed by Mou's past - he's left most clubs after 3-4 seasons after falling out with people, the almost total lack of faith in youth, his tactics are extremely pragmatic/defensive (his Madrid basically butchered Barca in el Clasico, he parks the bus when it's needed to win - no problem) etc. But his team's did play exciting football a lot of the time though and that is often overlooked.
Like I said, his pragmatism could even be a massive positive in most people's eyes. So I guess let's agree to disagree and see how this one pans out as most "pro and con" points would have been discussed to death in his thread.
Fwiw, we need to start getting these appointments spot on or else we'll just fall further and further behind. A motivated and pumped up mourinho might just be as close to a sure thing as you'll get in today's market.
I don't know, but Jose looks like a man who had a nervous breakdown. How on earth is he going to react in the pressure cooker of a United needing results immediately? We don't seem to have any good options at this point I don't think...
http://thepeoplesperson.com/2015/12...van-gaal-manchester-united-next-week-134138/?
Marca seem to think Jose will be our manager next week.
Marca seem to think Jose will be our manager next week.
This isn't an argument to make you reconsider your stance, or maybe change you mind mate, because everyone is entitled to their opinion - and that's fair enough.
But wrt the part quoted above, he fell out with the players/ upper management at Real Madrid and Chelsea - clubs that have a history of players running the show in collusion with the presidents who have their own favorites, and keeping managers on a short leash - with a list of insta-sacked managers that includes Champions League winners Juup Heyneckes and Carlo Ancelotti; La Liga winner Fabio Capello, two times Champions League/ La Liga winner Vicente del Bosque, and Manuel Pellegrini. Since the ousting of Del Bosque in 2003 (for reaching the semi-finals of the Champions League, and winning La Liga - how very dare he!) - Real Madrid have appointed 12 managers in 12 seasons - and José lasted the longest. At Chelsea, they appointed 7 different managers in 6 years between Mourinho I and Mourinho II. So we must consider the modus operandi of the cubs he's managed. At Porto, he had to leave because the players were going to get poached, and they were not at the elite level of European football. At Internazionale, the call of Real Madrid was too enticing to resist (no one can resist Madrid because of their history and accomplishments, plus he would have the chance to overtake Pep in the league - which he did in his second season).
Also, José is a very complex character - but people only see the bad in him, and it's imperative that we understand what makes him act in certain ways. This is someone who was told he didn't have the physique to be a footballer like his father Félix Mourinho. He was a scout, a youth team coach, a coach in god knows what division of Portugal with Estrela da Amadora, a translator, a training coach, an assistant. He worked his way from the very bottom - step by step, after being considered a failure as a footballer, and people like that always have a tendency to be snappy when they taste success because they always think they have something to prove to the naysayers. This is why he is so bitter towards Barcelona (who still consider him to be a mere interpreter for Bobby Robson). This is why he's petulant and arrogant - something that was fueled even more because of his meteoric success.
However, for the first time in his career, Mourinho has faced major failure as a manager - first at Real Madrid and now at Chelsea. There's a train of thought that says he's a broken man, or he's taken a step back and will never be the same; but I honestly believe all these events (and the poor health of Félix Mourinho because of brain surgery) will make him reconsider his stance as a manager, and maybe humble him a bit. Then you talk about United, and we indulge our manager - give him the sort of power he wouldn't have at Madrid or Chelsea under Florentino and Roman - something that was the root of superficial issues at both clubs. Plus, even back in 2004, Mourinho said he wanted to manage United and Liverpool at England. When was the last time he said something disrespectful towards United? Never, right? His biographer said he was distraught after David was appointed as Fergie's replacement. This is the job he's wanted, and the timing couldn't be better - a disgraced manager joining forces with a club that has lost its hallow, so to speak.
Also, wrt the pragmaticism part too - in all his seasons as a full time manager, José has never finished outside of the league's top 2 in terms of scoring apart from the 2013/ 2014 season at Chelsea - where they finished 3rd. That's a hell of a record for someone who's been stereotyped as a defensive coach primarily because of his big game tactics where being cautious can be the difference between winning and losing - because margins are wafer thin. Even Fergie's United played some dreary football for the first half decade of his tenure, our first League winning team under him was extremely functional; and again in Europe after THAT defeat to Real Madrid. So it's not like United has always played champagne football, even under Fergie. If we get Mourinho the attacking pieces he needs, he can build a beautiful counter-attack like he did with Madrid (who averaged 108 league goals per year under him, and set a new record for goals in a Liga season).
His career overall is a bit misunderstood IMO, and he's just a very easy character to hate (in the genuine sense of the term - not pop lingo) because of his pompous nature - which can color objective arguments (not saying you weren't objective in the assessment mind, far from it - and again it's just a matter of opinion, which is perfectly fine).
good post Invictus.
It's not about glory at this point IMO, I changed my vote as I think if we don't make a change now we wont even scrape top 4, fortunately the PL is so scattered this season it's left us with a chance of still making it if we act now.
Was Jose my first choice? Not at all, but the 3 options I wanted have all been taken off the table in the last couple of months, so basically there is no one left and he is PL proven, we need to make the move now before LvG ends our season completely.