Messi v Ronaldo | Contains double your daily salt allowance

[Fergus' son]

It's pretty clear what he meant. Yesterday was a perfect illustration of how much more involved Messi is over 90 minutes than Cristiano. It doesn't matter if the latter played yesterday, unless you've never seen him play before.

Also, isn't every game an illustration of how much more involved Messi is over the 90 minutes? I think it's established that Messi has more overall involvement in a game, that alone doesn't make him a better footballer.

Is the poster going to post in here every time he sees Messi play? I wouldn't put it past him.

 

[Fergus' son]

I thought the point of this thread was to avoid clogging up the Messi/Cristiano Ronaldo threads with comparisons?

Unless you mean you wouldn't have brought Cristiano up at all after a Messi performance. Fair enough if so.

Yep, second point.

 

[Snake Plissken]

Also, isn't every game an illustration if how much more involved Messi is over the 90 minutes? I think it's established that Messi has more overall involvement in a game, that alone doesn't make him a better footballer.

Is the poster going to post in here every time he sees Messi play? I wouldn't put it past him.

Well i don't know we've got another poster who's on stand by to bump the Ronaldo thread every time he gets a goal or farts.

 

[Fergus' son]

Well i don't know we've got another poster who's on stand by to bump the Ronaldo thread every time he gets a goal or farts.

And he gets his fair share of stick, probably more than his fair share.

 

[Bob Loblaw]

Also, isn't every game an illustration of how much more involved Messi is over the 90 minutes? I think it's established that Messi has more overall involvement in a game, that alone doesn't make him a better footballer.

Is the poster going to post in here every time he sees Messi play? I wouldn't put it past him.

Probably, with a few exceptions. I disagree about it not making him a better footballer though, how can someone who can match Cristiano's output while being more involved in all areas of the game not be better?

Bumping this thread wouldn't be my first thought after every match either but better in here than in their individual threads.

 

[Speak]

Also, isn't every game an illustration of how much more involved Messi is over the 90 minutes? I think it's established that Messi has more overall involvement in a game, that alone doesn't make him a better footballer.

Is the poster going to post in here every time he sees Messi play? I wouldn't put it past him.

To be fair, I think the point was that despite no goal or assist he was still the best player on the pitch. Something Ronaldo just couldn't replicate.
It wasn't just that he got more involved, as usual.

As for getting involved not making him a better footballer: No that alone wouldn't make him better. but the fact he also scores the same number of goals on top of it probably does.

 

[Skorenzy]

Some people on here will probably try and argue that, genuinely.

It is weird that he so chronically shit at penalties, though. 15 missed in his career, now?

Messi has indeed missed 15 penalties in his career (for club and country); Cristiano has missed 10... It even goes 15-12 if you count shoot-outs. But because he's taken more that doesn't hurt his ratio as much as Messi's.

Messi, scored 55 out of 70 (excl. 2/2 from shoot-outs) = 78.6%
Cristiano, scored 74 out of 84 (excl. 4/6 from shoot-outs) = 88.1%

Cristiano's simply better at them, though I'd like to note that for being a superior penalty taker he's missed crucial big game ones more frequently than Messi (two in a CL semi-final, one in a CL final v one in a CL semi-final; though to be fair two of those were in the aforementioned shoot-outs).

 

[Fergus' son]

I agree with both of you, he is the better player due to matching his output but also being a lot more involved in the overall game.


However, just being more involved in the overall game than someone doesn't necessarily make them a better player, was my point.


@Speak @Bob Loblaw

 

[Pink Moon]

If I saw a great Messi performance, I would put something in the Messi thread, not Messi vs Ronaldo, unless of course it was an El Classico or Argentina vs Portugal (which would be far closer to a 'perfect example').


The fact that it was posted in here, by that particular poster, just confirmed what I thought, that quite a number of people in here are obsessed with this 'debate'.

Even if your point would be that it was the kind of performance that Ronaldo just isn't capable of? Why would you say that in a thread exclusively about Messi?

For all the "people are obsessed" nonsense, they're nowhere near as annoying as those who pretend to be outraged by this debate.

 

[Cantona'sCollar]

Messi has indeed missed 15 penalties in his career (for club and country); Cristiano has missed 10... It even goes 15-12 if you count shoot-outs. But because he's taken more that doesn't hurt his ratio as much as Messi's.

Messi, scored 55 out of 70 (excl. 2/2 from shoot-outs) = 78.6%
Cristiano, scored 74 out of 84 (excl. 4/6 from shoot-outs) = 88.1%

Cristiano's simply better at them, though I'd like to note that for being a superior penalty taker he's missed crucial big game ones more frequently than Messi (two in a CL semi-final, one in a CL final v one in a CL semi-final; though to be fair two of those were in the aforementioned shoot-outs).

Wow, I am amazed that Ronaldo has missed 10. It's still a great record for someone who has taken 84 penalties, but that genuinely surprised me. He has actually missed some very big ones, to be fair. Shoot-out or not, he has missed some high-profile penalties over the years. I still remember when he missed one for us vs West Ham at Upton Park in 07/08, I believe it was. We lost that day by 2 goals to 1, I think. The other ones that stick out include the miss vs Bayern in 11/12, the miss vs Barca for us in 07/08 (at Camp Nou, after 2 minutes or so) & the one in the final vs Chelsea. The former and latter were just terrible penalties anyway, they did not even require great saves.

 

[LawCharltonBest]

Ronaldo is better

 

[Snake Plissken]

Even if your point would be that it was the kind of performance that Ronaldo just isn't capable of? Why would you say that in a thread exclusively about Messi?

For all the "people are obsessed" nonsense, they're nowhere near as annoying as those who pretend to be outraged by this debate.

I still don't get his point to be honest. It's a thread about Messi vs Ronaldo, someone said Messi's all round performance is what elevates him to a different level from Ronaldo. Where's the harm in this, and why would it not relevant to this thread?

 

[amolbhatia50k]

If I saw a great Messi performance, I would put something in the Messi thread, not Messi vs Ronaldo, unless of course it was an El Classico or Argentina vs Portugal (which would be far closer to a 'perfect example').


The fact that it was posted in here, by that particular poster, just confirmed what I thought, that quite a number of people in here are obsessed with this 'debate'.

Meh, you basically cocked up with your inability to read a sentence properly.

 

[amolbhatia50k]

Also, isn't every game an illustration of how much more involved Messi is over the 90 minutes? I think it's established that Messi has more overall involvement in a game, that alone doesn't make him a better footballer.

Is the poster going to post in here every time he sees Messi play? I wouldn't put it past him.

Sounds like a waste of time. Shit point.

The fanboi tagging is funny. I've now been called both a Ronaldo and Messi fanboi over the last few years

 

[amolbhatia50k]

I think it's established that Messi has more overall involvement in a game, that alone doesn't make him a better footballer.

That is what makes him the better footballer given he matches Ronaldo is the other bits. Hence the focus has to be on that if you want to compare them. That's the main thing that separates them.

 

[Marcosdeto]

If I saw a great Messi performance, I would put something in the Messi thread, not Messi vs Ronaldo, unless of course it was an El Classico or Argentina vs Portugal (which would be far closer to a 'perfect example').


The fact that it was posted in here, by that particular poster, just confirmed what I thought, that quite a number of people in here are obsessed with this 'debate'.

this! lets debate the debate, and in the process lets call the debaters "obsessed"

 

[Fergus' son]

All the usual suspects! You guys should form a boy band.

 

[amolbhatia50k]

And you should join an asylum. Can't you write anything that has any relevance?

 

[amolbhatia50k]

this! lets debate the debate, and in the process lets call the debaters "obsessed"

Stop posting. I think you're obsessed with the internet. And keyboards.

 

[Cheesy]

All the usual suspects! You guys should form a boy band.

Would their band look like this, per chance?

Spoiler

 

[Marcosdeto]

All the usual suspects! You guys should form a boy band.

yes, we are the usual suspects, while you are an innocent passer by that got caught in the fire

 

[Sammyjunn]

So having a better overall performance does not make you better? What then?

 

[Skorenzy]

Interesting graphic, showing that both have their preferred spot (consistent with their footedness).

 

[kouroux]

So having a better overall performance does not make you better? What then?

Apparently pens are just enough. Messi is a simply better footballer than Ronaldo, what makes one close to the other is the goalscoring (which is the most important thing in football to be fair). I don't think there has been a single individual performance without goals or assists from Ronaldo that I have enjoyed to watch, unlike Messi.

 

[Snake Plissken]

Goal tallies at the end of November and now in March. Who really thought that difference would be clawed back? I sure as hell didn't.

November 2014
Messi 7 goals - Ronaldo 20 goals

March 2015
Messi 30 goals - Ronaldo 30 goals

 

[Bob Loblaw]

Goal tallies at the end of November and now in March. Who really thought that difference would be clawed back? I sure as hell didn't.

November 2014
Messi 7 goals - Ronaldo 20 goals

March 2015
Messi 30 goals - Ronaldo 30 goals

Doesn't even look like it's going to be a contest for who's had the better season. Cristiano only really had the goals in his favour, but now Messi has caught up there is surely no argument.

 

[Marcosdeto]

Doesn't even look like it's going to be a contest for who's had the better season. Cristiano only really had the goals in his favour, but now Messi has caught up there is surely no argument.

ask cal, somehow, he will explain that ronaldo scoring 30 goals proves that he is a lot better than messi scoring 30 goals

something to do with messi playing for argentina and ronaldo for portugal and that messi never scored against QPR

 

[Pink Moon]

There's no comparisons between these two. It's an insult to Messi's ability to claim Ronaldo is better than him. An absolute insult.

 

[Brown Toothpick]

Add to that his assists tally and you're just having a laugh...

 

[Roman Bellic]

"Ronaldo is better than Messi"
"Why"
"Because he has more goals"
"But Messi's overall performances are better"
"doesn't matter, Ronaldo has more goals"

Welp, there goes that argument out the window, the only thing you can say right now is that he lost to possibly the greatest team assembled in the last 20 years by a lone goal in extra time in the World Cup final.....which is by no means a knock on his legacy

 

[izec]

Shits all over Ronaldo. Now that they have the same amount of goals, it should be clear.

 

[Skorenzy]

"Ronaldo is better than Messi"
"Why"
"Because he has more goals"
"But Messi's overall performances are better"
"doesn't matter, Ronaldo has more goals"

Welp, there goes that argument out the window, the only thing you can say right now is that he lost to the greatest team assembled in the last 20 years by a lone goal in extra time in the World Cup final

Eh?

 

[Roman Bellic]

Eh?

That German Team can go toe to toe with any other national team in the last 20 years in my opinion

 

[Bob Loblaw]

Yeah, that line about Germany baffled me too. Agree with the overall point though.

 

[Brown Toothpick]

"the only thing you can say right now is that he lost to possibly the greatest team assembled in the last 2 years by a lone goal in extra time in the World Cup final.....which is by no means a knock on his legacy

Fixed.

 

[prarek]

Ronaldo is a great great player. Its unfair to compare him to Messi. Messi is not human.

 

[Skorenzy]

That German Team can go toe to toe with any other national team in the last 20 years in my opinion

Well, they were clearly among the favourites for several consecutive international tournaments (starting with 2010 WC probably), but surely Spain 08-12 and France 98-00 are held in much higher regard by most people? To be fair, their cycle is still ongoing so can't really say how they will be viewed in the future, but at this point in time I don't think it holds true.

 

[Roman Bellic]

Well, they were clearly among the favourites for several consecutive international tournaments (starting with 2010 WC probably), but surely Spain 08-12 and France 98-00 are held in much higher regard by most people? To be fair, their cycle is still ongoing so can't really say how they will be viewed in the future, but at this point in time I don't think it holds true.

It is all about personal preference, i personally think the 2002 Brazillian team is better, but i know a lot of people who disagree with me

 

[Snake Plissken]

 

[Snake Plissken]

Look at the axe