2nd time, though the first time was in that friendly a few months ago, he got taken off at HT and was wank anyway.
Today though, unreal. If you ever can, make it happen!!
Messi v Ronaldo | Contains double your daily salt allowance
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In the latest episode of the United Hour Podcast, Nik (@Rood) and Imran (@Annihilate Now!) are here to discuss three 1-1 draws.
The first got us knocked out of the FA Cup, the next puts us in a good position in our Round of 16 Europa League game, and the latest was an actual decent performance against Arsenal at Old Trafford.
All hopes for the season now rest on the Europa League - does Amorim have the squad to win it?
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2nd time, though the first time was in that friendly a few months ago, he got taken off at HT and was wank anyway.
Today though, unreal. If you ever can, make it happen!!
His talent is just immense i haven't ever seen a player at his level and not sure if i ever will. I say this a lot but i will tell my kids and grand kids (if i ever have them) that i was lucky enough to be able to watch him play on a weekly basis. We probably all take it for granted now but i will definitely miss watching him play when he hangs up his boots.
Definitely. People love to argue, but I'm just happy we can watch guys like Messi and Ronaldo week in week out (even if it is on TV). It certainly wasn't the case when guys like Pele or Maradona were around.
I personally dont rate Ronaldo as highly as others do purely because he's playing in the same era as Messi. If Messi wasn't around he would have probably dominated the Balon d'or how different it could have been for him and he might be regarded as one of the best of all time were it not for Messi.
I got to watch him live back in 2012 when we beat them. He's my favourite all time player but it was bloody terrifying and not a pleasant experience
Would love to go to a Barca game as a neutral.Haha i bet it wasI got to watch him live back in 2012 when we beat them. He's my favourite all time player but it was bloody terrifying and not a pleasant experience
Either that or he's just subconsciously bored with scoring.
There seems to be some inexplicable hatred for the man from certain quarters...At work today I was talking about Messi being extremely good in the first half yesterday, and I get a 'but that's your perspective' thrown my way. I'm not even a die-hard Messi supporter.
What makes people incapable of appreciating a genius at work? Surely they realise they're lucky to be able to see him and Ronaldo week on week?
What makes people incapable of appreciating a genius at work? Surely they realise they're lucky to be able to see him and Ronaldo week on week?
Which team does he support? That might explain it.
I was lucky enough to see him live when Argentina played the Socceroos at the MCG. He didn't score but was on a different level to everyone. Something to tell my kids when I have them.
United.
He's immense. In another league to Ronaldo.
that explains it. United fans have a tendency to be ronaldo fans and hence dislike messi due the former playing for us and the latter and his team toying with us in two finals. I had some of that attitude earlier too. He was booed at old Trafford in a recent international friendly ffs
That may well be correct, but then also applies an acknowledgement that, more than 2.5 years ago, there could have been validity, despite the fact that Iniesta did not score 40 goals per season even 2.5 years ago. This underlines my point about goals not being everything. Then you need to consider the fact that, despite his Iniesta-like brilliance (even the hypothetical '2.5 years ago' Iniesta brilliance), Messi is ALSO not an inferior goal-scorer to Ronaldo. Some people would think Zidane was better than Ronaldo, for instance. I think Iniesta has been a better player than Zidane.
I agree that Iniesta doesn't currently compare to Ronaldo (or Aguero), not because of his lack of goals, more because he is not consistently at his most brilliant. There, the goals is an easy criteria for separation. However, there must be a way to look past goals. It is why we know that Henry was better than Van Nistlerooy, or that Darren Bent or Kevin Phillips are/were not 'great players'. For me, it is literally as easy as it is to identify that Phillips was nota great player as it is to identify that Messi is better than Ronaldo. In terms of pure footballing brilliance, I wouldn't even say Ronaldo was the most pleasurable to watch in the Real team. Because of this, if Isco (who I would put above him in that particular category) suddenly started scoring 45 goals a season, in addition to being Isco that we know, he would be a better footballer than Ronaldo for my money.
Messi win the next Ballon d'Or.
Shots fired with this one guys and this is merely a prediction - Ronaldo won't win another Ballon d'Or.
Two Ballon d'Ors away will be Messi or the start of new winners.
Shots fired with this one guys and this is merely a prediction - Ronaldo won't win another Ballon d'Or.
Two Ballon d'Ors away will be Messi or the start of new winners.
Messi is small, agile and quick. Ronaldo is tall, clinical and powerful.
Messi can change games with his movement and vision. Ronaldo can change games with his goals.
Do you like HP sauce or Ketchup? Because quite simply it's down to that for me. I personally love both of them, though each are better used on certain meals
Messi can change games with his movement and vision. Ronaldo can change games with his goals.
Do you like HP sauce or Ketchup? Because quite simply it's down to that for me. I personally love both of them, though each are better used on certain meals
Definitely!! I have a lovely video of that penalty miss at the end to show them too
But Messi scores just as much as Ronaldo.Messi is small, agile and quick. Ronaldo is tall, clinical and powerful.
Messi can change games with his movement and vision. Ronaldo can change games with his goals.
Do you like HP sauce or Ketchup? Because quite simply it's down to that for me. I personally love both of them, though each are better used on certain meals
If not better.
Messi attempts more dribbles than any other player, but what is the percentage at which they come off? I bet it isn't significantly better than other players.
And Messi is better now. Better form. Not debatable. It was a proper contest about a year ago.
And Messi is better now. Better form. Not debatable. It was a proper contest about a year ago.
I'm a big Ronaldo fan, but it's easy to see that he doesn't have the same influence on Real that Messi has on Barca.
If Ronaldo played in the same way in the 06/07 and 07/08 season, with the same output as he does now for Real, then I think we can say he's on the same/similar level as Messi. But Ronaldo has compromised that part of his game (the dribbling, the unpredictability, etc) to improve his output (goals and assists).
If Ronaldo played in the same way in the 06/07 and 07/08 season, with the same output as he does now for Real, then I think we can say he's on the same/similar level as Messi. But Ronaldo has compromised that part of his game (the dribbling, the unpredictability, etc) to improve his output (goals and assists).
Even if barca loses in the quarters and comes 2nd in the league?
How often do you see Messi lose the ball, ask yourself that. Seems like a loose statement to me.
He probably completes more dribbles than any other player. People don't think he is an amazing dribbler because he loses the balls often, you know?
It wasn't a proper contest a year ago either, Ronaldo had a few injuries last year and the same for Messi. I reckon when they come to review this rivalry in the future, the period between 2010 and 2013 will be seen as the optimum point to judge them. If you want fully focus on numbers in that period;
Name - Games Played - Assists - Goals
Messi - 165 - 68 - 186
Ronaldo - 164 - 40 - 168
Messi just about edges it. And that's the thing for me, Ronaldo only comes in to the equation when you talk about. Yet, Messi beats him at that twoo.
Messi is better than Ronaldo. I know Ronaldo scores a lot of goals [so does Messi] but in terms of natural talent, artistry and raw ability, Messi is among the best players ever to grace a football pitch, it's a prviledge to watch him, a joy. He's among the best of all time.
I don't watch every match. It is a very valid question, and puts things in context.
He was booed at old Trafford in a recent international friendly ffs
I'm (obviously) a United fan. I was born and have lived my entire life in Manchester and I can count on one hand the amount of people who believe that Ronaldo is a superior player to Messi. Being a United fan is no longer a valid excuse for believing that Ronaldo is a better player after (apparently) watching them both play.
Dribble completion percentage (from WhoScored)
Messi: 58.3%
Ronaldo: 50.6%
Hazard: 69.8%
Ribery: 56.3%
Robben: 61.9%
Stats are fun! I'm all giddy now. Is this how @Skorenzy feels on the regular?
Edit: Iniesta has 74.2%
Messi: 58.3%
Ronaldo: 50.6%
Hazard: 69.8%
Ribery: 56.3%
Robben: 61.9%
Stats are fun! I'm all giddy now. Is this how @Skorenzy feels on the regular?
Edit: Iniesta has 74.2%
Someone like Skorenzy can probably give you proper stats on what you're looking for, but I googled and all I could find was a Messi v Cristiano comparison: Messi completed 123 dribbles by 21 Jan 2015 with a 54% completion rate while Cristiano completed 42 dribbles by the same date with a 50% completion rate.
Well that was a waste of my time
Some people on here will probably try and argue that, genuinely.It is weird that he so chronically shit at penalties, though. 15 missed in his career, now?
You'll find plenty here.
Today is a perfect example? Even though Ronaldo didn't even play?
My god, you guys are fecking obsessed!
That open goal miss was hilarious, he was very good overall but that was an absolute disaster.
Yes, it was. Your second sentence has as much as zero relevance.
I saw Iniesta play yesterday, told me everything I need to know about Mario Goetze.
I saw Iniesta play yesterday, told me everything I need to know about Mario Goetze.
It's pretty clear what he meant. Yesterday was a perfect illustration of how much more involved Messi is over 90 minutes than Cristiano. It doesn't matter if the latter played yesterday, unless you've never seen him play before.
I think you have a little trouble reading. It told you what you needed to know about Messi not Ronaldo, in case you needed finding out. If Gotze isn't great at passing and Iniesta puts on a passing masterclass then it is a pretty good reference point to showcase why Iniesta is better than Gotze.
Ronaldo is a fantastic goal threat. Messi is a genius even apart from goals. That was showcased by his brilliant overal performance (without scoring) last night. Geddit?
Ronaldo is a fantastic goal threat. Messi is a genius even apart from goals. That was showcased by his brilliant overal performance (without scoring) last night. Geddit?
If I saw a great Messi performance, I would put something in the Messi thread, not Messi vs Ronaldo, unless of course it was an El Classico or Argentina vs Portugal (which would be far closer to a 'perfect example').
The fact that it was posted in here, by that particular poster, just confirmed what I thought, that quite a number of people in here are obsessed with this 'debate'.
I thought the point of this thread was to avoid clogging up the Messi/Cristiano Ronaldo threads with comparisons?
Unless you mean you wouldn't have brought Cristiano up at all after a Messi performance. Fair enough if so.
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