Yet again, under Loki's scepter spell, you alone see the truth....What's the point of digging out comments from Ronaldo's ex team mates and coaches? Christ, want me to dig out some quotes from Xavi, Iniesta, Valdes, Guardiola as my ammunition?
Also note that before he managed Madrid Mourinho said that Messi was a better footballer than RonaldoSure he made a similar remark after leaving Madrid too.
And telling us that anyone who thinks they aren't roughly on the same level doesn't know football? It's the other way around to me, I struggle to see how anyone keep a straight face and tell me Cristiano is on the same level, they must blank out Messi's whole creative game for even think about telling people that.
Cal?, you're getting the piss ripped out you and rightfully so. When are you going to address the World cup points? you know where you shat all over Messi's 2014 World Cup whilst bigging up Ronnie's 2006 where he scored a solitary penalty against Iran or whoever it was.
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he wasnt voted as such, low was, and next came ancelotti and simeone
or are you going to tell me that the voters were right about the best player and wrong about the best manager?
Cal, what would Messi have to do to convert you?
win the world cup with feroe islands
While scoring and assisting all the goals himself.
Ronaldo would probably have to drop dead, and then the next 10-15 players die as well before he'd consider Messi as the best player right now.
and saving two penalties because the feroe island goalie was red carded
Now you're talking about 2014 only? Are you seriously debating that Ronaldo was better than Messi in 2014?
i'm not, i'm saying that when it suits you, the ballon d'or voting is accurate, but when it doesnt, mourinho is the best coach in the world
funny you
Who do you think is the best manager in the world? Messi? Looks like he's running Barca nowadays anyway...
low, then ancelotti, then simeone
you?
In my team. I know you would like to take them in a different way Marcos
I think I'll eventually post a response after work.
This thread is cancerous. At this point we should only argue with posters other than Cal who can string a constructive argument and honestly believe that Ronaldo is the better player.
I don't. Depends on the footballer and what he says. I am not a Messi fan, I am a fan of the game and Ronaldo was one of my idols growing up. I loved him more than Messi.. to the point where I have a united top from 08 and a real top with the 7 on it. He is also a United legend, the team I adore.
The style of play I prefer is Ronaldo.. I love players whopperform tricks and have variety to their game rather than a one footed boring dribbler... but even despite all these preferences and possible bias on my part, I can hands down say it is not even a fair competition.
Messi is just a different class, he has a touch of artistry to his game which is unbeatable. He has a finesse that only the likes of Zidane have yet he combines that with great explosive ability. . Hence why he gets so many goals, kind of like Puskas in that sense..
Ideally I'd wish he had more tricks in his locker and he was more entertaining like a young Ronaldo, but he is a footballing god that cannot be denied. On form he is simply something else... he makes Ronaldo look functional.
When I was younger I never thought Ronaldo would be described in that way, he seemed graceful and full of daring and panache.. he looked very hard to stop when he ran with the ball, only Cole at his peak could keep him quiet.. he gave Maldini and co a great game. But peak Ronaldo hasn't blossomed into a beautiful footballer. . He's a killer which is fine but he is competing with a assassin who isn't just more deadly but kills teams with the sheer beauty of hia football, dictating the game as well as winning them
You're broken, man. Get a grip.
Really good post, agree more or less completely, and I consider myself to be a big Ronaldo fan.
You're 4 years too late man.
Ronaldo was better first 5 months of the season, Messi may have had off field issues (tax's etc).
Last 2 months, Messi as looked better, Ronaldo having off field issues (split with his long time partner/red card).
Get the feeling Messi will win the Ballon d'Or 2015 though, amazing form right now.
Last 2 months, Messi as looked better, Ronaldo having off field issues (split with his long time partner/red card).
Get the feeling Messi will win the Ballon d'Or 2015 though, amazing form right now.
No he wasn't. Cristiano was outscoring him for the first 5 months of the season but he wasn't outperforming him. I have literally no idea where the idea came from that's made people only start to notice Messi lately but he's been at this level for the entire season.
You literally have no idea where this idea came from? Maybe this will help remind you:-
Jan-May - 5 Months
Aug-Dec - 5 Months (this season)
If you feel Messi's been at this level all season and he won the best player award World Cup, then how the hell did Ronaldo win the Ballon d'Or?
Must mean Ronaldo ceiling is higher surely if Messi's been in such great form or Bob's talking out of his arse.
You literally have no idea where this idea came from? Maybe this will help remind you:-
Jan-May - 5 Months
Aug-Dec - 5 Months (this season)
If you feel Messi's been at this level all season and he won the best player award World Cup, then how the hell did Ronaldo win the Ballon d'Or?
Must mean Ronaldo ceiling is higher surely if Messi's been in such great form or Bob's talking out of his arse.
Because Cristiano won the Champions League and most people just focus on goals?
Not getting into the Ballon d'Or debate again, but Cristiano Ronaldo winning it doesn't mean he had a better start to 14/15. He didn't.
You literally have no idea where this idea came from? Maybe this will help remind you:-
Jan-May - 5 Months
Aug-Dec - 5 Months (this season)
If you feel Messi's been at this level all season and he won the best player award World Cup, then how the hell did Ronaldo win the Ballon d'Or?
Must mean Ronaldo ceiling is higher surely if Messi's been in such great form or Bob's talking out of his arse.
The Ballon D'Or, whatever they claim, is largely based on the form of the previous season to be honest. Much of their respective 2014/2015 form won't have been taken into consideration.
Well, he didn't do it, did he?
United were one game away from becoming the first ever club to retain the CL and kill the Barca 2009 super year, but we didn't.
Try telling that to all the Messi fans who insist Ronaldo only won it because Fifa changed the deadline to after the WC qualifying playoffs in 2013.
He really had. Someone might argue that even Neymar outperformed Messi on the first coulpe of months or so of this season.
On the last 2-3 months though, it hasn't been even comparable. Messi has gone back to his best and is playing on different level to anyone. Ronaldo's form has also decreased.
Well, he didn't do it, did he?
United were one game away from becoming the first ever club to retain the CL and kill the Barca 2009 super year, but we didn't.
what if he had scored a hat trick and they lost 4-3?
While Ronaldo lifted the 'out in the group stage' trophy.
He has still failed to address the World Cup point. We'll probably neer see the response to be fair, there just isn't one.
Why do you continually feel the need to divert everything to somehow being the fault of Lionel Messi, or barring that, his fans?
Seriously, I made a statement regarding the Ballon D'Or (it generally is based on the season before most of the time), and somehow it's spun in a bad way against...Messi's fans, for something that didn't really relate to the post before.
It strikes me as being extremely petty. Hardly any of the discussion involving you seems to be about which player is actually superior, but more the fans of each, who has had the best WC of the two, how Ronaldo's national team being inferior makes him better at international level, and a load of other picky things. It's weird.
Bullshit. I don't really care if you think Cristiano or Neymar have had a better season than Messi. I disagree, but I'd leave you to it.
Saying his level has went up recently is just terribly uninformed though. He's been playing at this level for the entire season, bar 1 or 2 matches at the time they played Real Madrid.
Maybe you think he's went up a level because of the hype that's started again, or because his team mates are performing better so Barcelona are winning more, I dunno. He's been at an amazingly high level all season though.
I thought the same too.Funny thing is that Ronaldo's passes aren't even that good (by any standards), let alone comparable with Messi's who is one of the best when it comes to it.
Saying that, his comment that Ronaldo doesn't track because Ancelotti doesn't ask him to track (and challenging others to find evidence that Ancelotti has asked him to track but Ronaldo refuses) puts the argument 'prove that God doesn't exist' to shame.
Anyway, Ronaldo is a better keeper than Neuer, but Ancelotti plays him as attacker. If Ancelotti would play Ronaldo as a keeper (find me evidence that Ronaldo would have refused) he would easily outperform Neuer.
Who gives a feck about the start? If Usain Bolts in 3rd place after 10 meters, nobody cares. It's all about the end result and in the end Ronaldo was victorious as the picture posted shows because he was the better player, not just the better goalscorer, the better player than Messi majority 2014.
Don't like that? The history books won't care what Bob Loblaw thinks, the decision was unanimous.
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Eh...cool, but you've essentially completely ignored the entire point I'm making, which is fine I guess...but I'll explain it again.
The Ballon D'Or is pretty much completely based on the season that has gone before, or at least is predominantly influenced by it. In that case, what Messi/Ronaldo have done in 2014/2015 doesn't really have all that much of a bearing upon who gets the award. Therefore, citing the award to counter Bob's argument that Messi has been better this season doesn't really work at all. That's what I was trying to say.
Plus, Bob is allowed to have his opinion. I mean, yeah, if he was arguing that Rickie Lambert was unjustly cheated out of it, you can call bullshit on it, but him arguing he thinks the player who came 2nd in the award has been better than the 1st (even ignoring the above argument that this season only minimally influences it), is hardly an outrageous argument at all. People are allowed to have differing opinions to what the awards say, and simply showing him a picture of said player receiving his award isn't a particularly compelling debating tactic.
Because generally speaking (this is not directed at you personally), Messi fans will come up with the most ludicrous excuses for their man not winning the Balon D'Or, yet when a similar point is made against Messi, they refuse to listen.Why do you continually feel the need to divert everything to somehow being the fault of Lionel Messi, or barring that, his fans?
Seriously, I made a statement regarding the Ballon D'Or (it generally is based on the season before most of the time), and somehow it's spun in a bad way against...Messi's fans, for something that didn't really relate to the post before.
It strikes me as being extremely petty. Hardly any of the discussion involving you seems to be about which player is actually superior, but more the fans of each, who has had the best WC of the two, how Ronaldo's national team being inferior makes him better at international level, and a load of other picky things. It's weird.
For years, I've been talking about the whole Barca teams playing to Messi's strength and making him look amazing, they refuse to accept that perhaps having the likes of Xavi and Iniesta on form helped to make Messi look amazing.
Yet these past 2 years, when Ronaldo outperforms Messi, it's because Real Madrid spent trillions on players to help Ronaldo look amazing and he deserves no credit.
I wasn't even arguing that Messi deserved the Ballon d'Or ahead of Cristiano Ronaldo so I don't have a clue what he was on about.
Messi's goalscoring record has significantly improved since November. At the beginning of the season for example he had like 3 goals in 7 games. At the beginning of November he had only 9 goals. At one time of the season, Ronaldo had both more goals and mroe assists than him. Now Messi is leading on both those stats.
His performances (not including goals and assists) have been around the same level for the entire season. But goals matter, and since November Messi has been scoring a lot of them. I think that until then Neymar - let alone Ronaldo - was playing better than him, and at times looked to me that Nemar was carrying Barca.
Because generally speaking (this is not directed at you personally), Messi fans will come up with the most ludicrous excuses for their man not winning the Balon D'Or, yet when a similar point is made against Messi, they refuse to listen.
For years, I've been talking about the whole Barca teams playing to Messi's strength and making him look amazing, they refuse to accept that perhaps having the likes of Xavi and Iniesta on form helped to make Messi look amazing.
Yet these past 2 years, when Ronaldo outperforms Messi, it's because Real Madrid spent trillions on players to help Ronaldo look amazing.
Well of course having top players surrounding him will help (it's hardly going to hinder him having the world's best midfielders at that time!), but that doesn't detract from the fact that if you watch Messi, it's clear to see how magnificent he is with a ball at his feet; how good his control, dribbling, scoring is, for example. And the counter-argument that he doesn't perform at international level doesn't really work anymore because his international record has massively improved in recent years too.
And with Ronaldo, while Real have gotten even better now, it's hardly as if he was playing with shite players before, was it? Since he's gone there and up until last season, he's played with guys like Ozil, Di Maria, Alonso, Benzema and numerous other top players. Messi generally had better players around him, yeah, but that doesn't not make him a better player, does it?
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