He struggles to match the passing ability of other legendary wingers from the past, let alone be mentioned in the company of Messi who is one of the greatest passers ever.
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He struggles to match the passing ability of other legendary wingers from the past, let alone be mentioned in the company of Messi who is one of the greatest passers ever.
Finishing/shooting?How many times do we have to go through the same point, only taking on shots closer to goal will result in a better conversion rate, and that's no indication of better finishing at all.
Dribbling? Agreed
More tricks? Just another way of repeating the previous point?
Better balance? Yet another?
Better passing? That has more to do with Barca's tiki taka compared to Madrid's direct style.
Better play-maker? Probably, but Ronaldo doesn't get a free reign to do whatever he likes that Messi does at Barca.
Works harder? No, no definitely not.
Tackles more? Again, you'd have to ask the managers about that, I somehow doubt that Ancelotti asks Ronaldo to track back and tackle and he's just too lazy to do it.
Better in big games? Doesn't Ronaldo hold to current record for scoring in consecutive El Clasicos?
Messi takes plenty of shots from distance and you haven't presented anything that shows Ronaldo is better at shooting.
If you think better balance and better dribbling are the same point then Christ! Balance can be used to shield the ball, ride a tackle, trap a pass etc.
You are jut trolling about the passing and play-making. At least I hope you are otherwise you really are clueless about football.
He tackles more and covers more ground during a game. What do you have to back up your opinion?
Ronaldo holding a Clasico scoring record does not mean he's better in big games.
Most people would say you use strength to shield the ball or ride tackle.
One would suspect Ancelotti would have told him to tackle more if he wanted Ronaldo to tackle more, it's not like Ronaldo has a reputation of not getting on with managers who don't let him play however he pleases like Messi does.
Which are these big games that Messi has performed in? The WC final?
El Clasicos are basically Madrid's biggest games every season, and Ronaldo delivers most the time.Of course you did, you said Ronaldo would have surpassed Maradona if he won World Cup with Portugal. You've still not addressed why Messi's 2014 WC doesn't surpass Ronaldo's WC 2006 where he was nothing special and got only one goal, from the spot.
Most people would say you use strength to shield the ball or ride tackle.
One would suspect Ancelotti would have told him to tackle more if he wanted Ronaldo to tackle more, it's not like Ronaldo has a reputation of not getting on with managers who don't let him play however he pleases like Messi does.
Which are these big games that Messi has performed in? The WC final?
You're adorable in a homeless kinda way. So Ronaldo doesn't tackle because he's not asked to by Ancelloti? Please provide some evidence of this.As to Messi and big games wow. A few Champions league finals , 20+ goals in El Clasicos along with every scoring and assist record in La liga. Ask Arsenal fans if Messi shows up in the big games
Please provide evidence of Ancelotti telling him to tackle and he just refuses to do it.
As to Messi and big games wow. A few Champions league finals , 20+ goals in El Clasicos along with every scoring and assist record in La liga. Ask Arsenal fans if Messi shows up in the big games
Those are done in BIG games? wow... If you're just going to talk about any random CL game, need I remind you who holds the all time CL scoring record in a season?
So you're saying Ronaldo could pass as well as Messi if he wanted to? That's interesting. Puts that wonderful Hazard comment, who could score as many as Ronaldo if he wanted to, in a totally new perspective.
You do know that there's no point, right Sarni? This is someone, who only a few posts above yours, says that Messi being a better passer "has more to do with Barca's tiki-taka style"
FFS. I mean, come on.It's fecking statements like those that make those posters have zero credibility.
You do know that there's no point, right Sarni? This is someone, who only a few posts above yours, says that Messi being a better passer "has more to do with Barca's tiki-taka style"
It's fecking statements like those that make those posters have zero credibility.
But it's weird. He laughs at Messi for not scoring for Argentina in the knockouts and then hails Ronaldo's brilliant 2006 World Cup where he only scored a single goal, and that was a converted penalty. Portugal's 2006 campaign sort of resembled Argentina 2014 (good group stage, squeezing past teams in the knockouts before inevitably losing) although Ronaldo's contribution was much, much smaller than Messi's.
He can't respond to the points so he constantly deviates and shifts focus. See how he brought up the Clasico to show what a great big game player Ronaldo is, only to completely ignore the part of the post that mentioned Messi's incredible record in El Clasicos.
Yeah, sometimes you'd swear he's a WUM, but after reading all his CR posts, it's very clear that he's just an extremely obssessed fan who's unable to see any reason/logic. And that "passing" statement about Messi just about sums it up.
/thread. Can't be explained any better than this imo.
Please provide evidence of Ancelotti telling him to tackle and he just refuses to do it.
Those are done in BIG games? wow... If you're just going to talk about any random CL game, need I remind you who holds the all time CL scoring record in a season?
Who's the actual CL top scorer at 2 years younger, and the clasico all time scorer? Who scored in 2 CL finals? (goals that werent penalties too?)
Who scored a hat-trick against Madrid age 19 while Ronaldo struggled to make any major impact against Liverpool?
Your whole defence rests on the fact Ronaldo scored goals against a Barca defence that was usually made up of a central midfielder and Gerard Pique, sad thing is loads of strikers scored against that defence because they really weren't very good.
Btw two can play at you game Cal?. For example, I think Messi could score more headers than anyone in the world, but Pep, Vilanova, Martino, Sabella and Enrique simply ask him not to.
Cal? is hilarious. You can tell it angers him that no one thinks Cristiano Ronaldo is as good as he does. The way he digs himself into holes with his own arguments is outstanding.
Don't bother with him.
It's the gift that keeps giving.
This thread.
This is your opinion and many experts will disagree.
I prefer Ronaldo. Would pick him if I were to play one but I don't have a problem with those who prefer Messi. The only thing that that proves to me someone has no understanding of football is when they say one of them is miles (or a class) above the other. They are both on par.
I wouldn't say 'one' is many and I wouldn't call Cal? an expert.
I wouldn't classify them as experts if they did. It is a straight forward case.
Finishing/shooting?
Dribbling? Agreed
More tricks? Just another way of repeating the previous point?
Better balance? Yet another?
Better passing? That has more to do with Barca's tiki taka compared to Madrid's direct style.
Better play-maker? Probably, but Ronaldo doesn't get a free reign to do whatever he likes that Messi does at Barca.
Works harder? No, no definitely not.
Tackles more? Again, you'd have to ask the managers about that, I somehow doubt that Ancelotti asks Ronaldo to track back and tackle and he's just too lazy to do it.
Better in big games? Doesn't Ronaldo hold to current record for scoring in consecutive El Clasicos?
the feck is this shit ?I'd say they are only on par in the sense that with the kind of productivity they both have, it becomes almost irrelevant if one of them is also running the game with playmaking whilst the other is stood up the pitch waiting for someone to pass the ball just right - Their goals will have won the game for the team in either case 9 games out of 10.
But, if you examine those margins, and there are games where it will make a difference, Messi is clearly the better player. An equal, if not slightly superior, goalscorer, and able to influence the game far more than Ronaldo. Ronaldo is not only more reliant on service than Messi, he is also much less capable of offering service to his teammates.
But, if you examine those margins, and there are games where it will make a difference, Messi is clearly the better player. An equal, if not slightly superior, goalscorer, and able to influence the game far more than Ronaldo. Ronaldo is not only more reliant on service than Messi, he is also much less capable of offering service to his teammates.
I'd like to think former professional footballers have more credibility than you or I
The two seasons Messi hasn't been playing with what probably was the best midfield of our generation (Xavi and Iniesta) he hasn't been as productive so this point doesn't really hold.
Garry Neville and Rio Ferdinand to name a few
Who's the actual CL top scorer at 2 years younger, and the clasico all time scorer? Who scored in 2 CL finals? (goals that werent penalties too?)
Who scored a hat-trick against Madrid age 19 while Ronaldo struggled to make any major impact against Liverpool?
Your whole defence rests on the fact Ronaldo scored goals against a Barca defence that was usually made up of a central midfielder and Gerard Pique, sad thing is loads of strikers scored against that defence because they really weren't very good.
Btw two can play at you game Cal?. For example, I think Messi could score more headers than anyone in the world, but Pep, Vilanova, Martino, Sabella and Enrique simply ask him not to.
Let's ignore the fact that Messi has played many more El Clasico games. 2 CL finals, Ronaldo has the opener against Chelsea and that last one against Bayern. Let's just ignore penalties because Messi isn't very good at them?
No, that was when someone questioned Ronaldo's impact in "big games", I'd say scoring the number of goals we has in El Clasicos kind of proves whoever made that point a bit of an idiot.
Except for the fact that Ronaldo has proved he's more than capable of tackling during his United days and early Madrid days, yet under Mourinho and Ancelotti he's all but stopped tackling, do you think it's more likely they asked him not to, or he somehow lost the ability to tackle?
Messi has never ever done anything to suggest he's capable of scoring headers regularly.
Good old English media. I remember in 2009 when they were desperately trying to claim that Rooney was up there with Messi and Cristiano.
They finally saw reason and stopped doing that only to decide before the Champions League final that Cristiano was better because he could score with his head. That backfired...
But yeah, no pundit worth their salt thinks that Cristiano is on par with Messi.
He's scored as many this season as he did at the same stage in his record breaking goalscoring season. But okay, must need Xavi/Iniesta to perform.
Sums up the Messi fans, some how they and they alone can see the truth, it's almost like those people put under the spell by Loki's septor in Avengers.
I highly rate Neville as a pundit "good old English media" or not. I still rate Ronaldo the better player but ever so slightly. If you think Messi is a "class" above Ronaldo you're either just over-rated Messi or under-rating Ronaldo's ability.
Neville has gone to the dogs, started off well but he's back on the cliché train now. Everything is about pace, power and passion, and he'll refuse to criticise all things English.
I don't think I'm underrating or overrating either. Cristiano Ronaldo is a brilliant player, he's just not as good as Messi. He's as productive statistically but his ability isn't really that close, even the Real Madrid fans on here admit that.
Forget pundits, what about the best manager in the world?
"He is the best. The best in the world, yes. Probably the best ever. I saw Maradona a couple of times. I never saw Pele. But Cristiano is amazing. This man is the best... Cristiano is a goals machine. He is an incredible player. He is like Zidane, there will never be another Ronaldo." - Jose Mourinho
Both good, don't really care who's better (Messi). Would love Ronnie to come back to United for a few years. Only gripe with him are his temper tantrums when someone doesn't pass to him, and his god awful free-kicks.
in a few words, ex players, ex coaches or manchester united fans
if i tell you that Batistuta, Mascherano and Martino think messi is the best would you think
"wait! they must be right! they know more than i do?"
You seem to have made an error and quoted Mourinho instead.
Pep says Messi is the best in the history, mate.
Mourinho has called people like Zlatan and Lampard the best in the world. Forgive me for ignoring his view.
In what way is Cristiano like Zidane? I don't get it. Let's ignore the who's better question for now, but that is one odd comparison. They are completely different players.
I was googling to see if Mourinho had called Lampard the world's best or if my mind played tricks on my and stumbled on a quote where Lampard said Mourinho compared hin with Zidane. Must be his go-to comparison when he's talking out of his arse.
What's the point of digging out comments from Ronaldo's ex team mates and coaches? Christ, want me to dig out some quotes from Xavi, Iniesta, Valdes, Guardiola as my ammunition?
Also note that before he managed Madrid Mourinho said that Messi was a better footballer than Ronaldo Sure he made a similar remark after leaving Madrid too.
And telling us that anyone who thinks they aren't roughly on the same level doesn't know football? It's the other way around to me, I struggle to see how anyone keep a straight face and tell me Cristiano is on the same level, they must blank out Messi's whole creative game for even think about telling people that.
Cal?, you're getting the piss ripped out you and rightfully so. When are you going to address the World cup points? you know where you shat all over Messi's 2014 World Cup whilst bigging up Ronnie's 2006 where he scored a solitary penalty against Iran or whoever it was.
Also note that before he managed Madrid Mourinho said that Messi was a better footballer than Ronaldo
Sure he made a similar remark after leaving Madrid too. And telling us that anyone who thinks they aren't roughly on the same level doesn't know football? It's the other way around to me, I struggle to see how anyone keep a straight face and tell me Cristiano is on the same level, they must blank out Messi's whole creative game for even think about telling people that.
Cal?, you're getting the piss ripped out you and rightfully so. When are you going to address the World cup points? you know where you shat all over Messi's 2014 World Cup whilst bigging up Ronnie's 2006 where he scored a solitary penalty against Iran or whoever it was.
Sir Alex has retired, Mourinho is now the best manager in the world.
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