Yves Bissouma / Signs for Spurs

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Rozay said:
Maybe we are acting like that because he isn’t?
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Isn’t he? I looked it up but couldn’t find anything further than April, where it said the court case was ongoing.

Either way it doesn’t matter does it? Point still stands that the cloud is still there. For sure every big team would be in for him at that price. You don’t think Spurs just walking in and getting him for £25m unchallenged is a bit iffy?
 
Adamsk7 said:
Isn’t he? I looked it up but couldn’t find anything further than April, where it said the court case was ongoing.

Either way it doesn’t matter does it? Point still stands that the cloud is still there. For sure every big team would be in for him at that price. You don’t think Spurs just walking in and getting him for £25m unchallenged is a bit iffy?
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Everything that is wrong with this modern ‘trial by social media’ society right here. This is a man’s life and reputation here, how the feck ‘doesn’t it matter’ whether he has actually been charged with something or not? This is how the net works, with people jumping to conclusions and nobody really caring about the facts once a story gets out. It matter an absolute lot to not just proceed as if someone is being charged with something whether they are or not.

And ‘the court case’ may well be ongoing but it isn’t a court case against Yves Bissouma.
 
We are certainly lacking efficiency but I’d rather have De Jong than this guy. Providing it actually goes ahead :nervous:
 
We will end up paying £80 for Neves on deadline day.
 
Tavern in the town said:
We signed Ronaldo. We had Giggs in the directors box after he got arrested for beating up women.
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Not sure on the Giggs thing but isn’t the Ronaldo case over? Also we know why he is an exception to that rule - money. The Glazers wouldn’t turn that sort of income down if it was Hitler we were signing. Bissouma is a very different thing. Also we’ve been stung by Greenwood since then
 
Rozay said:
Everything that is wrong with this modern ‘trial by social media’ society right here. This is a man’s life and reputation here, how the feck ‘doesn’t it matter’ whether he has actually been charged with something or not? This is how the net works, with people jumping to conclusions and nobody really caring about the facts once a story gets out. It matter an absolute lot to not just proceed as if someone is being charged with something whether they are or not.

And ‘the court case’ may well be ongoing but it isn’t a court case against Yves Bissouma.
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Generally I'd agree with you, but looking from the point of view of a mamoth football club with ridiculous global outreach that relies HEAVILY on international marketing, the optics just wouldnt look good to risk it on Bissouma considering the greenwood situation (and even the CR7 history, although case closed now). The club would stand to lose far far more if it turns out to be something serious in terms of sponsorships, marketing etc.
 
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So fecking pissed off we never manage to pull out something like that.

We badly need 2 midfielders (playmaker + ball winner), I can understand we will never buy someone like Tchouameni this summer, but we completely missed out Kamara on free, and now Bissouma for 25m.
 
Rozay said:
The only positive is at least Spurs will lose all their sponsors I guess.
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Won't make one iota of difference. They'll probably get more sponsors when they're successful.

Even more depressing is that Brighton beat us to his successor in Caicedo for £5m.
 
Rozay said:
Everything that is wrong with this modern ‘trial by social media’ society right here. This is a man’s life and reputation here, how the feck ‘doesn’t it matter’ whether he has actually been charged with something or not? This is how the net works, with people jumping to conclusions and nobody really caring about the facts.

And ‘the court case’ may well be ongoing but it isn’t a court case against Yves Bissouma.
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Woah I’m not saying that I think he’s guilty of anything, or that he doesn’t deserve to be free of judgement, what I am saying is the way of the world is that Manchester United WILL be thinking about publicity in this instance, fair or not. Especially after Greenwood.
do you not think the club would think in that way?
 
Rilz said:
Generally I'd agree with you, but looking from the point of view of a mamoth football club with ridiculous global outreach that relies HEAVILY on international marketing, the optics just wouldnt look good to risk it on Bissouma considering the greenwood situation (and even the CR7 history, although case closed now). The club would stand to lose far far more if it turns out to be something serious in terms of sponsorships, marketing etc.
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Club will deal with any situation as they arise, but United have lost no sponsors over Greenwood and lost none over Ronaldo (whose case was only dismissed yesterday). If Bissouma was on trial, my stance would be different, but he isn’t, and isn’t even under charge, so he should be allowed to live his life.

Athletes unfortunately face sexual allegations from time to time. In every high profile sport. Sponsors don’t all jump ship because of an allegation. And Manchester United themselves have had players in a similar boat, one who is a sponsor’s dream in Ronaldo. We’ve also signed Robin van Persie who was previously arrested on suspicion of rape. We’ve had Jonny Evans accused of rape while with us. It happens in the game. Spurs’ sponsors are not all going to run away now because they sign a player who isn’t even facing criminal proceedings.
 
MUFC OK said:
Won't make one iota of difference. They'll probably get more sponsors when they're successful.

Even more depressing is that Brighton beat us to his successor in Caicedo for £5m.
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I was being sarcastic tbh. All I’ve been reading on here is how our ‘sponsors wouldn’t like it’ if we signed Bissouma.
 
Rozay said:
Club will deal with any situation as they arise, but United have lost no sponsors over Greenwood and lost none over Ronaldo (whose case was only dismissed yesterday). If Bissouma was on trial, my stance would be different, but he isn’t, and isn’t even under charge, so he should be allowed to live his life.

Athletes unfortunately face sexual allegations from time to time. In every high profile sport. Sponsors don’t all jump ship because of an allegation. And Manchester United themselves have had players in a similar boat, one who is a sponsor’s dream in Ronaldo. We’ve also signed Robin van Persie who was previously arrested on suspicion of rape. We’ve had Jonny Evans accused of rape while with us. It happens in the game. Spurs’ sponsors are not all going to run away now because they sign a player who isn’t even facing criminal proceedings.
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Ronaldo aside(he's just a giant and to be honest considering his global outreach most sponsors wouldn't give a damn unless he's outright convicted) the older times were a bit different, sponsors are a lot more sensitive now to issues like this.
 
Anyway allegations aside(which i can't comment on as I'm not informed well enough) he was a player i really liked, shame we won't be getting him, I think he'll be a decent signing for them cocks.
 
El-Manos said:
We are certainly lacking efficiency but I’d rather have De Jong than this guy. Providing it actually goes ahead :nervous:
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For 25mil it should be as well as, not instead of.
 
Hopefully, he turns out to be another Schneiderlin who was very tidy in an overachieving Southampton but failed to make the step up.
 
Red the Bear said:
Ronaldo aside(he's just a giant and to be honest considering his global outreach most sponsors wouldn't give a damn unless he's outright convicted) the older times were a bit different, sponsors are a lot more sensitive now to issues like this.
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I mean, I can’t choose the times that we’ve happened to have players with such allegations, but there is little evidence of this sponsorship thing everyone speaks of I think.

And the difference with Ronaldo and Bissouma is that Ronaldo is a far bigger story to Bissouma too, and would, in theory, impact any associated sponsor far greater. Barely anyone even knows about Bissouma’s ‘case’ at this point, which wouldn’t be the same for Ronaldo. Brighton have lost no sponsors either.

Anyway, as you said, I agree with you on the player. He was, to me, the best signing we could have made this summer for this particular role, and I think he’ll be one of the best, if not the best, central midfielders in the PL next season if he joins Spurs.
 
Assuming Conte gets his new right wing back and another centre back hes got the makings of a very good team there

Could still do with some cover for kane though

Can see Bissouma as more of a Conte player than Hojberg
 
Rozay said:
I mean, I can’t choose the times that we’ve happened to have players with such allegations, but there is little evidence of this sponsorship thing everyone speaks of I think.

And the difference with Ronaldo and Bissouma is that Ronaldo is a far bigger story to Bissouma too, and would, in theory, impact any associated sponsor far greater. Barely anyone even knows about Bissouma’s ‘case’ at this point, which wouldn’t be the same for Ronaldo. Brighton have lost no sponsors either.

Anyway, as you said, I agree with you on the player. He was, to me, the best signing we could have made this summer for this particular role, and I think he’ll be one of the best, if not the best, central midfielders in the PL next season if he joins Spurs.
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Yeah, he seems to have the right attitude, playing under Conte should only improve him further.

Who knows, maybe he'll end up playing for further down the line.
 
RedRonaldo said:
So fecking pissed off we never manage to pull out something like that.

We badly need 2 midfielders (playmaker + ball winner), I can understand we will never buy someone like Tchouameni this summer, but we completely missed out Kamara on free, and now Bissouma for 25m.
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Kessie as well.
 
He's a good player, and it's an interesting price they got him for. But I've never had him down as the type for us. I think we're pretty set for box to box types that get around the pitch. I'm pretty sure the manager wants someone that builds play consistently, and maybe a defensive presence.
 
Rozay said:
De Jong and Bissouma would be the most perfect partnership for us. Better than Sangare who has the same engine as Fellaini. Him and FDJ for £90m would be a phenomenal upgrade.
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Yeah they'd be pretty great together.
 
We were never signing him with Greenwood on our books. Terrible PR. I think most teams would have been wary. Spurs are willing to take the risk. This seems to have progressed really fast. I didn't see any reports linking him to them.
 
I'm not one for calling out the club for "missed" transfer targets usually but this one seemed a fecking no brainer at £25m and you'd have to wonder how the hell they couldn't at least try to get him.
 
Seven Seas Sardines said:
We're letting all the best DMs go to our rivals while Joel Glazer says we can only focus on De Jong... Really hope the fanbase comes together and starts stopping pre-season matches from being played, if we'll ever have a chance again as a club we need mass protests to get Ratcliffe in.
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You what?
 
We have a ball winner in Fred.
Who was payed double that.

And on top of that, there is still that sexual harrasment question mark on top of his head.

That being said, he's a really good player and we could have been in for him.
 
Idxomer said:
Hopefully, he turns out to be another Schneiderlin who was very tidy in an overachieving Southampton but failed to make the step up.
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Whilst I’m not sure - so many Brighton players seem to be doing well that maybe it’s questionable to rate the players more than the manager?

Wonder if that might ever turn to be the case.
 
Can't help to be not bothered about this due to the off field stuff. Whatever the case is - if it's over or not, I feel like we've had too many of them over the years that it's probably wise to avoid it. The second he signs for United, a whole new light would be shined and we'd start to build a reputation for it in the media, rightly or wrongly. And that does matter.

Football wise, excellent signing for Spurs and perfect for Conte.
 
If we hadn't had things with Greenwood then I could see us having gone for him, but on the back of that climate there was just no way. Which is a shame because he is a good player and the lad should not have anything hanging over him per se, but the media would have had a field day with it, and my guess is that if he was with friends accused of it the club sees it as a risk, whether Bissouma was involved or not.
 
Seven Seas Sardines said:
We're letting all the best DMs go to our rivals while Joel Glazer says we can only focus on De Jong... Really hope the fanbase comes together and starts stopping pre-season matches from being played, if we'll ever have a chance again as a club we need mass protests to get Ratcliffe in.
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Bissouma isn't a DM?

No comment on the rest :lol:
 
I rate this player extremely highly - just wondering why no other top 6 club or European club have pursued him especially at that price ? I noticed even in January he was mostly being linked with Aston Villa. Other than the sexual assault case (which I’m more than sure Spurs would have knowledge over) is there anything else that could be putting these clubs off?
 
People are seriously questioning why we weren't in for him coming off the no.11 situation??

Fair play to Spurs for what's likely going to turn out a fine signing for them but he was never going to United in this climate...
 
Redcy said:
If we hadn't had things with Greenwood then I could see us having gone for him, but on the back of that climate there was just no way. Which is a shame because he is a good player and the lad should not have anything hanging over him per se, but the media would have had a field day with it, and my guess is that if he was with friends accused of it the club sees it as a risk, whether Bissouma was involved or not.
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The media haven’t mentioned it at all for 8 months, even when it was at arrest and bail stage. I cannot see them ‘having a field day’ with anything if we signed him, now that it is at a far less serious stage. They don’t even speak about Greenwood. People think that it would be acceptable for the media to just start dragging a man who hasn’t be charged with anything. It wouldn’t happen, there would be little to no mention of it at all, because the national news isn’t a blog site. They would face charges themselves if they decided to ‘have a field day’ based on unproven allegations. We’re not even allowed to discuss Greenwood’s case on fecking Redcafe. There would be no media storm at all.
 
Would have been a great signing for us but I guess he has never played for ajax
 
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