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Yves Bissouma / Signs for Spurs
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Bissouma is better than both at actually applying pressure in a co-ordinated press where the function of the midfielder is to help the forward and wide receiver apply the wide pressing trap which targets the oppo wide receiver. We have not successfully implement a pressing game with any substance like a Liverpool, Bayern, Leipzig or even smaller teams like Gladbach or Brighton have done over a long period of time.
Fred is better than McTominay IMO but in tandem together they're not good enough for the level we aspire to be at. McTominay was bang average coming through the youth teams over the years and it's no surprise to me that he's well well on his way to being the mediocre midfielder he always threatened to be.
I can't see us winning the league with both as a pair, because the pairing smacks of telling the opposition that we're ready to concede the midfield which the very best teams will take advantage of. So this time next year we'll be talking about if the midfield has been upgraded.
I've always said that I prefer a midfielder to be bought who has the craft and guile to take us to the next level, aswell as having the mobility and positional game to take us up a level both from a deeper role, aswell as going forward. But if we aren't signing that player in this window then someone like Bissouma is good because instead of signing two midfielders next season we can concentrate on just the one midfielder next year who is of the play-making variety.
Basically impossible. No one really plays like that bar Mac City. It would require us to retain and circulate possession with the same quality as them. Pep-ball. We have neither the players nor coach for that. It would be fallacy to even try.
Look at quality of ball circulation from the City midfield and wide players. The only one taking risks is KDB, justified by his obscene offensive output.
Let's say Bruno is our KDB of sorts. Allowed to try things and lose the ball. But what about the rest in our hypothetical new team...
Pogba and Bissouma cannot do what Gundogan and Rodri do respectively. The latter two keep ball immaculately, they have a higher number of passes and higher percentages. Between them they average 168 passes per 90, with 91% success rate. Pogba + Bissouma are at 110 passes with 85% success rate.
Also, their wide players are midfielders (not inside forwards) with very high passing stats. Sancho purchase is a step in the right direction in that regard, because we played with two wide forwards in Greenwood and Rashford who have very high directness but low passing stats. Yet with Pogba in the middle it does mean at least one striker on the wing. They have Grealish, Foden, Mahrez and B.Silva playing out wide, all excellent at keeping ball.
Our team would not retain possession too well, it would get countered and it would not survive the press from a team that retains better.
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All the Fred defenders have vanished, like little roaches under light. Scatter my little critters, we’ll see you again when he puts in his occasional great performance
This is just too obvious a signing for us. We're determined to prove to the world that Fred is the next Kante.
We need to do something with Donny, it is criminal that the kid can't get a game.
We need to do something with Donny, it is criminal that the kid can't get a game.
Why would I bet on something am certain about. Namely you being a myth merchant about Pogba?
Money where your big mouth is? Pogba has never had a long run of form in a 2 and never played in a 2 in his Juve successes or in France's, that is a fact, and Ole won't play him there for the bulk of this season i am certain of that, if he has 25 games starting in a midfield 2 you can choose my tagline, if not then I'll choose yours?
I never bet over foregone conclusions
I've heard these claims a thousand times. Soon you will trot out how 'pirlo did the running for him"....
You can do as you please.
For me, It's very simple. Once Varane and Maguire prove a settled partnership the double defensive pivot Ole and his staff have favoured will be permanently abandoned. Because it was STRICTLY instituted to better protect the extremely flawed pairing of Lindeloff and Maguire. Never because of alleged deficiencies in our midfielders.
Once Maguire and Varane prove a solid pair. (Probably by around December) ONLY one defensive minded player will be selected to operate in front of them 9/10 times.
I'll be here to say I told you so.
I have no idea who that is but we aren't going to do much this season without buying that CM who is better at passing and moving.
The problem is you are very slow to understand. You are ALREADY wrong. I don't need to bet to prove it. So these histrionics of yours won't change that.
I've been saying that for sometime mate. Camavinga or Caqueret are two potentially young acquisitions who could come in and be that player.
But like I said in another thread just now, if we sign no one else, then I hope Ole gives Hannibal Mejbri a chance.
Couldn't agree more. I don't know how good the other 2 you mentioned at passing but I know Mejbri is good. I guess that's all I can hope for this season.
Just when things were looking up with Sancho. Sigh
No, facts show I'm right, it's there in the team sheets for Juve and France, you are just full of shit and know I'm going to get to pick your tagline because Pogba won't come close to starting 25 games in a midfield 2 this season, so you're bottling it, that's cool, I won't tag you in when I'm proved right because that's kids shit, this is done because you're just hot air.
Should have bought him with Donny money last summer
Its not even that though for me. McFred both lack in terms of awareness and positioning unless all they do is literally sit in from of the centre bakcs and screen. Bissouma has the positional sense and awareness. I dont think either should be starting let alone in tandem as you say. I liek McTominay as a squad option though, though I agree he is average. But Fred on the other hand rightly or wrongly is a player we spent £50m on, even though he is worth nowhere near that fee, I still think his financial value far otuweighs his value to our squad if we are to progress.
I sitll think we need both the types of players you mention as Matic is the only players for me can do the defensie role but he is too old and slows the play down too much now and none of the other options have me convinced for the other role, never massivley rated VDB and Pogba for me cant play there consistently well enough to do the defensive part that is sitll needed. Should be two new signigns, Bissouma is definately a good option for one of them
Yes surprised nobody seems to mention Caqueret....or Kamara either. Both are very good players that would be very cheap too, as would Camavinga of course. Liek you say if we arent signing one, would have to assume its either a financial thing with lack of sales (which is madness when Kamara for example would barely break double figures) or Ole is planning to give more games to Hannibal or VDB, neither of which I actually see happening this season.....of course the unthinkable but most likely outcome is he is actually happy with McFred and Matic as the main three or looking to move Pogba back there when Rashford returns......which could well get him the sack this season as we wont win anything
Bissouma and Tchouameni are two good options for the DM role IMO.
But if we're to only sign one midfielder this summer, then like I've said before, I'd rather that midfielder be someone who has the capability to provide a high level of craft and guile which we badly need in midfield. And if we were to add that player to the current squad, our team would at the very least look extremely strong on paper.
put on a masterclass performance yesterday....this is a guy we should be buying for our midfield or we should already have in our midfield
What do Brighton fans make of him? Any idea ? Does he genuinely have the potential to start for a top side? From the clips he looks better on the ball than our Mcfred but it's hard to tell using such a short sample. For me, first and foremost, we need someone who is a gifted passer, who can recycle possession really well, who can spread play and switch to the opposite flank.
He's more of a combative player Amol, who can get forward and contribute. But he's best utilised next to a midfielder who has a expansive game and will provide the craft and guile. And if we're to sign one midfielder in this window, then I personally hope it's the midfielder who will provide the technical elegance, aswell as a, off the ball game which would really help us close down the space quickly. Bissouma isn't that player but would be superb next to one IMO.
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How much would he roughly cost?
Who are the craft type players you have in your potential list?
I would definitely sign him, rumours are 30m or just over.
Much rather him than Matic or Fred starting in front of our back 4.
No point signing someone unless they are going to start or they may have potential, we've got too many of them as it is.
Much rather him than Matic or Fred starting in front of our back 4.
No point signing someone unless they are going to start or they may have potential, we've got too many of them as it is.
Locatelli, Camavinga, Caqueret, Neuhaus, Brozovic, Modric, etc
Obviously there's a number of the above who are not available to us, but there's definitely 2 or 3 players in that list who we could realistically sign.
Why would Brighton sell him? They've got £50m sat in the bank for Ben White, he's as important a player as their squad has and he doesn't seem like the sort of player who'll throw a strop like Harry Kane is doing. He's been in the league for years and I couldn't pick his face out of a line-up.
His contract expires in 2023.
I am not sure Camavinga's passing is good enough to be in that list
Completely agree. If this fellow gives us genuine quality then great, but he seems to be more of a Fred/Mctominay replacement or alternative. Right now we someone to give us the brains and technique in midfield.
Why’s this thread so popular not seeing any links to United at all.
People are desperate for us to get a CM.
He's a potential upgrade on McTominay, Fred and would provide a upgrade defensively. But we need a metronome IMO who can manipulate the ball in confined spaces which would take be a bigger upgrade.
Same as all the other CM threads.
Apparently Bissouma has been at Brighton since 2018 -
Has the hype been growing there since he has been there(for example Ben white) - or has it suddenly come up after a single great season?
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Has the hype been growing there since he has been there(for example Ben white) - or has it suddenly come up after a single great season?
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His manipulation of the ball in confined spaces is potentially excellent and that makes him very dangerous against teams who are set in their defensive structure, which makes him a very good player against the press. Because there's a saying in Holland, that a successful 1v1 destroys any tactical plan. And eventhough Camavinga will likely never reach a Pirlo level when it comes to passing, his passing in a team that wants to implement a high pressure game style could be even more effective due to his other qualities.
Just a player that many think would be useful in our team. Good squad player with similar attributes to what we have, and could do with.
People want a press resistent DM that can pass well but also break up play - that's Bissouma.
He's the type of player that'll get snatched up by Leicester and then everybody will rave about him and wonder why we didn't take a gamble on him.
He's better than White so I would say he'd go for more. Can't see Brighton being remotely interested in selling their best player for less than £55+ mill.
Tbh with you mate, I only started watching him last season. But from the little I've read on him, he was born in Ivory Coast and raised in Mali which meant there was always a chance he was gonna go under the radar coming directly from Africa. He eventually ended up at Lille in France as a teenager before Brighton signed him two years later.
This isn’t the Lewis Dunk thread….
He is already better than most our midfield. Fred and McTominay and Matic... Basically all our midfielders now Pogba plays on the left.
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