This doesn’t feel like a United signing, Gakpo feels far more likely. Hope I’m wrong though.
Youssoufa Moukoko
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Der Spiegel is full of shit and German Wikipedia seems to need better moderators.
"In the first ten years of his life, Moukoko grew up with his grandparents in Cameroon's capital Yaoundé in a predominantly Muslim neighbourhood. His father, who has lived in Hamburg as a German citizen since the 1990s, brought his son to Germany in the summer of 2014."
Nobody adopted him, his father brought him to Germany. End of story.
If you mean because we will get beaten by other teams, I agree 100%.
Weird take? Der Spiegel is a respected source for investigative journalism.
And you're seriously quoting a sentence from Wikipedia like it's the final authority? "End of story"?
If his English page was as well maintained as the German one you'd be reading the same there.
His own (adoptive?) father is the source for the Spiegel claims. But you shouted "end of story", because you read the wikipedia page and know better, so I guess that doesn't matter.
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Can you read?Weird take? Der Spiegel is a respected source for investigative journalism.
And you're seriously quoting a sentence from Wikipedia like it's the final authority? "End of story"?
If his English page was as well maintained as the German one you'd be reading the same there.
His own (adoptive?) father is the source for the Spiegel claims. But you shouted "end of story", because you read the wikipedia page and know better, so I guess that doesn't matter.
Der Spiegel only reported that Bunte (a celebrity gossip fecking bullshit magazine) got some bullshit document from Whatsapp. And then the main part: "the publication and dissemination of this document prohibited by the Frankfurt Regional Court." <-- this is what German Wikipedia actually says. Nowhere does it say that Der Spiegel or anybody else found anything credible.
A court reviewed the "documents" and decided it was bullshit. Got it?
But keep on going, reveal your thinly-veiled gullibility
I read the actual article. The journalist, who claims to have been in contact with Joseph Moukoko is Martin Heidemanns, who was in charge of Bild's [scum paper, but still] investigative division and whose previous investigative work eventually brought down Christian Wulff, this is not some desperate gossip columnist.
Der Spiegel also found someone, who is supposedly Moukoko's aunt, who went on the record stating that he was indeed adopted and that actual parents still live in Cameroon - though she denies age fraud.
Heidemanns apparently also claimed that J. Moukoko told him that he was in financial trouble and that his house was to be foreclosed. And then, after he had given the affidavit (about him being the biological father of Youssoufa) that apparently prompted the court to block the dissemination of the birth certificate, which J. Moukoko himself had sent Heidemanns, they checked with the court to find out that the foreclosure had been cancelled.
So yes, I think on balance it's more likely that some 60+ year old decorated investigative journalist didn't fabricate a story and whatsapp logs that could easily be disproved with a simple DNA test. I also think it's more likely that a big investigative medium like Der Spiegel know their job and care enough about their reputation, that they don't just amplify lazy fiction. Moukoko's absolutely absurd youth records is another indicator that makes this sound more plausible.
Is this definite proof? No. But it's more than enough to cast credible doubt over Moukoko's age and certainly without the need to call this racist conspiracy theories.
Court said it's all bullshit (at least the age part). Everybody has a crazy aunt in their extended family, come on now. Are you seriously paying any attention to that?
Crazy aunt? It's his own fecking father, who apparently went around telling a journalist that the lad is adopted and who sent the birth certificate in question to the journalist.
And at least the way Der Spiegel described it the court didn't make the ruling that the whole story was bullshit, otherwise the reporting journalist would probably be in some deep trouble, the very least professionally, and I'm pretty sure Der Spiegel wouldn't have run the story afterwards either.
His parents are not his real parents, bought him off his real parents in a shady deal to bring him abroad
What is racist about it?
Is it really racist though? You hear about it being a big issue at youth levels, but I don’t know if there is any substance to it.
Dortmund’s own U23 coach, when he was completely dominating the highest U17 level in Germany— at the age of “12”!
"With Youssoufa, I can imagine that his age has only been guessed. Maybe in reality he is one or two years older. But certainly he is not 17. For him that is very difficult. There is nothing to blame him for, the boy is not cheating or anything."
He dominated the best 16 y/o’s in Germany — literary broke records — when he was listed as a 12 y/o. Dortmund’s U23 coach guessed that he was 13-14 y/o at that point.
At the same time, he has never played against others his “listed” age. He played with the youth national teams 4 years above his own age.
Ultimately, I don’t think it really matters. People develop at different pace. A Bellingham can be really developed when he is 15, while someone else get to that stage when they are 20. If you look at say a Jude Bellingham, you shouldn’t put him next to like a later blooming 19 y/o and go ‘well we expect this kid to become X percent better, if Bellingham does the same he will become the next Ballon dOr winner’. An early developed player will not have the same growth potential physically as an underdeveloped player.
Long story short, with someone like Moukoko you can’t expect him to be like “30% faster” or whatever when he is done growing in 2 years, he surely done growing in 2020. It doesn’t matter if someone is 16 or 20, you need to establish if their is physical growth potential or not. Which scouts does. They look at parents height, siblings.
"With Youssoufa, I can imagine that his age has only been guessed. Maybe in reality he is one or two years older. But certainly he is not 17. For him that is very difficult. There is nothing to blame him for, the boy is not cheating or anything."
He dominated the best 16 y/o’s in Germany — literary broke records — when he was listed as a 12 y/o. Dortmund’s U23 coach guessed that he was 13-14 y/o at that point.
At the same time, he has never played against others his “listed” age. He played with the youth national teams 4 years above his own age.
Ultimately, I don’t think it really matters. People develop at different pace. A Bellingham can be really developed when he is 15, while someone else get to that stage when they are 20. If you look at say a Jude Bellingham, you shouldn’t put him next to like a later blooming 19 y/o and go ‘well we expect this kid to become X percent better, if Bellingham does the same he will become the next Ballon dOr winner’. An early developed player will not have the same growth potential physically as an underdeveloped player.
Long story short, with someone like Moukoko you can’t expect him to be like “30% faster” or whatever when he is done growing in 2 years, he surely done growing in 2020. It doesn’t matter if someone is 16 or 20, you need to establish if their is physical growth potential or not. Which scouts does. They look at parents height, siblings.
There are medical ways to test the lad's real age anyway.
Pretty sure they have also been proven to be highly inaccurate as well.
Read that as medieval ways first
The truth will come out with the right amount of torture.Read that as medieval ways first
Sink or swim
There have been consistent rumors in the local Catalan and Spanish media of Barça being interested in signing him on a free next summer when his contract expires. He is a well-known Barça and Messi fanboy.
That aside, how would the local Bundesliga and in particularly Dortmund fans rate his talent and potential? Does he have what it takes to start for the likes of Barça from next season on or would that be too soon?
It is quite crazy to think that he just turned 18 years. It feels like he has been around forever given the hype.
That aside, how would the local Bundesliga and in particularly Dortmund fans rate his talent and potential? Does he have what it takes to start for the likes of Barça from next season on or would that be too soon?
It is quite crazy to think that he just turned 18 years. It feels like he has been around forever given the hype.
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Does he? I know there was that controversy with that lad that played for Lazio a few years ago who actually looked like a middle aged man, but Moukoko looks his age if you look at his face.
This is moukoko at 16 years old, he looks at least 25 ffs
, no he doesn't.
Found this of him when he was 17, I am not good at judging age but he looks a bit older...
*joke*
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You throw him into the water with some weight. If he floats on water, he is a fraud. Easy.Read that as medieval ways first
Yeah, he looks between 40-45. (older than Ronaldo)Found this of him when he was 17, I am not good at judging age but he looks a bit older...
*joke*
You could more or less watch him grow until he was 16 or so. I also have the impression he added a lot of muscle mass since his break through. If he's older than official, it's a year or so at max.
He looks like 55.
It would be stupid by both sides to not get this done when they are „only“ €1m apart.
He should definitely stay at Dortmun.
Regarding his age: i remember a story that he was dating ac16yo as a 12 or 13yo. Think about if you could have achieved that at 12 or 13…
Is this where you cut him in half and count his rings?
I have a feeling we'll go for this lad, pretty sure Chelsea are signing that Fofana from Molde, who is a similar profile and we do need a CF.
If it's not a loan exclude us in this window
He can speak to any club about a free transfer in the summer, from the 1st of January.
Can we afford to wait for striker
Six month loan for Depay, sign this guy on a free in July
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