Youssoufa Moukoko

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Moukoko should be close to the top of our list for January. If his agent is already making the noises he is about leaving for free in the summer, you would think there's scope to get this done now. Similar situation to when we signed Louis Saha.

The opportunities for regular game time should be there for him already, and he looks a proper striker unlike Gakpo.
 
CM10 said:
Moukoko should be close to the top of our list for January. If his agent is already making the noises he is about leaving for free in the summer, you would think there's scope to get this done now. Similar situation to when we signed Louis Saha.

The opportunities for regular game time should be there for him already, and he looks a proper striker unlike Gakpo.
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And a higher ceiling than Gapko since he's been breaking records since he was 14.
 
CM10 said:
Moukoko should be close to the top of our list for January. If his agent is already making the noises he is about leaving for free in the summer, you would think there's scope to get this done now. Similar situation to when we signed Louis Saha.

The opportunities for regular game time should be there for him already, and he looks a proper striker unlike Gakpo.
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By all accounts it seems they want to wait till the Summer, it's more lucrative for the player and agent that way.
 
Out of the big clubs or clubs interested, he has the best opportunity to start here. Newcastle just signed Isak, Liverpool Nunez and Chelsea Nkunku. So he would be able to start alongside Rashford and Antony immediately and with Martials injury record the no9 spot is his.
 
therealtboy said:
Out of the big clubs or clubs interested, he has the best opportunity to start here. Newcastle just signed Isak, Liverpool Nunez and Chelsea Nkunku. So he would be able to start alongside Rashford and Antony immediately and with Martials injury record the no9 spot is his.
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Chelsea still want an out and out number #9. They tried for Endrick and will probably turn their attention to him.
 
He would make a really big mistake if he tries to move to a bigger club, or any other club other than Dortmund. The support he gets at Dortmund he wouldn't get at any other club and plus there will be added pressure at the new club, given his reputation. I don't think he's at the level to move to a bigger club and Dortmund will allow him to grow more slowly and fulfill his talent.
 
MyOnlySolskjaer said:
Chelsea still want an out and out number #9. They tried for Endrick and will probably turn their attention to him.
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If it’s between the two of us, I’m sure he’ll be a United player. Nothing better they can offer him. Unless Champions League this season. That’s it. We have a better squad and are more likely to get into the Top 4 for next season. If he talks to Potter and ten Hag, you know ten Hag will easily win him over.
 
hasanejaz88 said:
He would make a really big mistake if he tries to move to a bigger club, or any other club other than Dortmund. The support he gets at Dortmund he wouldn't get at any other club and plus there will be added pressure at the new club, given his reputation. I don't think he's at the level to move to a bigger club and Dortmund will allow him to grow more slowly and fulfill his talent.
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Some players and agents are short sighted, and they can only see the money 5" away from their eyes.
 
We can't keep missing out on exciting young talent that are coming through in this generation. We already missed out on camvinga, enzo fernandez, tcouhemeni, sesko, Gvardiol, Nnuku because we weren't willing to poach them early before they had stand out seasons.
 
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Cant remember a more hyped player at a young age since Adu....Eto callign him new Messi for example, so in a way he has been dissapointin gso far for DOrtmund.

Then you have to remember he is just 18. Its weird he looked big and strong in youth clips that were going round and now he looks tiny in the mans game.

I am not sure what to make of him at the moment as of course couldnt live up to the hype and for 18 he is doing really well...but is he a world beater.

It does seem we are crying out in the game for genuine potential superstar young strikers. There is obviously one in Haaland and should hav ebeen one in Greenwood, but beyong that Moukoko, Alvarez, Cesko, Ramos, Adeyemi....not seen much of most of them tbh, but are they genuine world class strikers in the making?
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I think you've forgotten Mbappe from that list, unless 23 turning 24 is not considered young anymore. Another one to add to the list, although probably more a number 10 than a number 9, is Musiala at Bayern. Although Germany crashed out early, Musiala and Moukoko are going to be a great combination in the future. A bit like Messi and Henry in one team.
 
It is super arrogant, actually dellusional, from a 18 year old to say he doesn't want to be on a bench at a top club. But if he really said something that stupid, well then he is staying at Dortmund.
 
Erik the Red said:
I think you've forgotten Mbappe from that list, unless 23 turning 24 is not considered young anymore. Another one to add to the list, although probably more a number 10 than a number 9, is Musiala at Bayern. Although Germany crashed out early, Musiala and Moukoko are going to be a great combination in the future. A bit like Messi and Henry in one team.
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Mbappe has been playing out wide ever since leaving Monaco so dotn think we can class him as a striker really, a Musiala does look good yes but is certainly not a striker.

It is surprising how few proper number 9 strikers the last decade has produced, bar Haalana and Kane they are virtually all way over 30 and dying out.

Bound to be missing someone but who else has there been really Schick? I mean Nunez fee to Liverpool, wasnt onvincedby him at Benfica and not yet at Liverpool either an dhe cost a fortune....and JOnathon David has got loads of hype but yet to be impressed in any game I have seen him and it must be double figures now.

I think Omishen is good but again maybe with such a barren number is maybe getting more credit.

The only one currently I think looks on his way to possibly being a star striker outside of Haaland is Vlahovic, wouldcertainly way prefer if possible we were spending £80m odd for him than £50m on the seemingly favoured Gapko
 
NewGlory said:
It is super arrogant, actually dellusional, from a 18 year old to say he doesn't want to be on a bench at a top club. But if he really said something that stupid, well then he is staying at Dortmund.
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It is stupid to leave Dortmund to sit on the bench at a top club. It is better for his development to stay there.
 
ThierryHenry14 said:
It is stupid to leave Dortmund to sit on the bench at a top club. It is better for his development to stay there.
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Yep. I'd expect that he is posturing to get a nice pay rise from Dortmund and a reasonable release clause thrown in there too. Starting games regularly for a strong Bundesliga side is pretty much perfect for his development and he (or at least his advisors) would be idiotic to throw that away for the lure of the bright lights elsewhere at this point.

That being said, if he is willing to walk I hope that EtH is in his ear.
 
NewGlory said:
It is super arrogant, actually dellusional, from a 18 year old to say he doesn't want to be on a bench at a top club. But if he really said something that stupid, well then he is staying at Dortmund.
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I think it is actually very intelligent to realise that at aged 18 he shouldn't be going to a club where he won't be playing regular football. He should get a decent wage at a place like Dortmund, and he knows he will be first choice striker. He is only going to leave and go to a "bigger club" if he knows that their intention is to play him regularly as their first choice number 9. That may be possible at United, if ETH decides to give up on Martial, but he's not going somewhere where he knows that he will be behind a Haaland, Kane, Osimhen, etc. He would probably also be suspicious about going to Liverpool, as they have spent big on Nunez, and Chelsea are in a bit of a state of flux at then moment. Even going to sit behind Benzema or Lewandowski for a season is a big risk, as he wouldn't play much for a year, and there is always the chance that those clubs will go back into the transfer market for a big name striker. That sort of move could be career suicide. He at least wants the chance to prove himself for a season as first choice number 9, or he will stay at Dortmund.
 
ThierryHenry14 said:
It is stupid to leave Dortmund to sit on the bench at a top club. It is better for his development to stay there.
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Agree with that 100% which is probably why this is a made up news
 
Erik the Red said:
I think it is actually very intelligent to realise that at aged 18 he shouldn't be going to a club where he won't be playing regular football. He should get a decent wage at a place like Dortmund, and he knows he will be first choice striker. He is only going to leave and go to a "bigger club" if he knows that their intention is to play him regularly as their first choice number 9. That may be possible at United, if ETH decides to give up on Martial, but he's not going somewhere where he knows that he will be behind a Haaland, Kane, Osimhen, etc. He would probably also be suspicious about going to Liverpool, as they have spent big on Nunez, and Chelsea are in a bit of a state of flux at then moment. Even going to sit behind Benzema or Lewandowski for a season is a big risk, as he wouldn't play much for a year, and there is always the chance that those clubs will go back into the transfer market for a big name striker. That sort of move could be career suicide. He at least wants the chance to prove himself for a season as first choice number 9, or he will stay at Dortmund.
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Right, so this is no news because the best team he can be starting at is Dortmund and any club better would never buy him to be a starter...
 
ThierryHenry14 said:
It is stupid to leave Dortmund to sit on the bench at a top club. It is better for his development to stay there.
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How much will he start for Dortmund? Has the fact that he can walk next summer resulted in him getting more time than he otherwise would? They do have both Haller and Modeste at striker. If he lose form, he might not start many games at all for some time. Haller is set to return Dortmund now in December, but who knows what shape he is in after getting Chemo.

Even if Moukoko looks really impressive in those highlights, he is — not — setting the world on fire when you watch him for the full 90. Which of course is not strange. The striker position can be a real grave yard shift. A 17/18 y/o in the Bundesliga. But I am far from sold on that he actually has a position cemented from them. Simply because he isn’t that good when playing, Modeste has from what I’ve seen been much better than him. Which isn’t strange — of course. One is 18 and the other in his prime, and Modeste is a really good striker for sure.

I would be — thrilled — if we got Moukoko for free or a cheap transfer fee. But with that said, I definitely don’t think it’s a given that he won’t become another Michy Batshuayi type. He still got ways to go before he really can establish himself as a consistently dangerous effective striker in top European football. Sure man of the necessary raw abilities are there — like with Batshuayi — but that alone is not a guarantee. And in terms of raw ability, I don’t see him being on the same level as say a Rafael Leao or Mudryk or someone like that. You can’t just give him a ball and expect him to blow past people and make something happen.
 
I don't think he's big and tall enough to be a striker in the PL especially for us(if he even an option)
 
I’m sure he’s been scouted a lot by us so that’s a plus. He looks quality for his age but not as talented as Rooney or Ronadlo. We should try and develop him as Martials understudy for the next few years if he's an ambitious guy and can handle the pressure. For free it’s definitely worth the risk as we have nothing to lose. it’s just so much better than getting declining older guys who don’t really care in on a short term fix. If he doesn’t settle we will still make big money on him.
 
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I don't think he's big and tall enough to be a striker in the PL especially for us(if he even an option)
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Same height as Ivan Toney, who seems to be totally fine in EPL. Sergio Agüero was even shorter than them and is one of the all-time top scorer strikers of EPL. A little older example - Andy Cole was the same height as Youssoufa Moukoko. Can keep going on...

This whole b.s. that strikers need to be tall and big is even less true than when they said Licha would never make it as an EPL center back. We all know how that one ended.
 
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Escobar said:
Age, parents, some certificates
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Him not having a good relationship with his parents is hardly “lots of controversy”. There hasn’t been any substantial issues by anyone reliable about his age, either. Seems like a strange post
 
NewGlory said:
No need to amplify the racist conspiracy theories.
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It's a bit more than conspiracy theories at this point, from his German Wikipedia page:

Der Spiegel revealed in November 2022 that Joseph Moukoko traveled to Cameroon as a talent scout and adopted Youssoufa there to make it easier to bring him to Germany. Youssoufa's aunt reported that his parents and relatives were very happy about this, "because we knew he (Youssoufa) would take care of all of us." In September 2022, a copy of a birth certificate issued in Yaoundé on July 17, 2000 in the name of Youssoufa Mohamadou was sent to the current Bunte journalist Martin Heidemanns via WhatsApp by Joseph Moukoko. Subsequently, on November 15, 2022, Youssoufa Moukoko had the publication and dissemination of this document prohibited by the Frankfurt Regional Court.

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https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Youssoufa_Moukoko

It's a weird situation, on one hand he seems to be demanding a large salary, on the other hand the above has been reported in the middle of their negotiations and being 18 or 22 would have significant effect on his value.
 
do.ob said:
It's a bit more than conspiracy theories at this point, from his German Wikipedia page:

Der Spiegel revealed in November 2022 that Joseph Moukoko traveled to Cameroon as a talent scout and adopted Youssoufa there to make it easier to bring him to Germany. Youssoufa's aunt reported that his parents and relatives were very happy about this, "because we knew he (Youssoufa) would take care of all of us." In September 2022, a copy of a birth certificate issued in Yaoundé on July 17, 2000 in the name of Youssoufa Mohamadou was sent to the current Bunte journalist Martin Heidemanns via WhatsApp by Joseph Moukoko. Subsequently, on November 15, 2022, Youssoufa Moukoko had the publication and dissemination of this document prohibited by the Frankfurt Regional Court.

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https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Youssoufa_Moukoko

It's a weird situation, on one hand he seems to be demanding a large salary, on the other hand the above has been reported in the middle of their negotiations and being 18 or 22 would have significant effect on his value.
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That would go along way in explaining how he was dominating and breaking records in the under 14's. A 18 year old man walking through and bullying a bunch of 13 year kids on the pitch
 
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