Your ideal 11 - 2018/19 and outs (being realistic)

Out:
Shaw
Damian
Fellaini
Carrick
Smalling or Jones

In:
Alaba
Meunier
Koke or Saul Niguez
Alderweireld
 
De Gea

Fabinho
Bailly
Smalling
Sandro

Matic (would ideally rotate with N'Zonzi)
Pogba
N'Zonzi (replace with creative midfielder)

Sanchez
Lukaku
Rashford

I'd really like us to sign a creative midfielder to replace Carrick but don't know who. Ideally only one of Matic or N'Zonzi would start matches.
 
MIC_FIN said:
But correct regardless, I mean, why mention stats twice in one sentence, when I didn't mention anything about stats?

He runs at defenders, loses the ball much more than he beats his man, then just stands there with a confused look as if to ask, why did that guy not let me beat him?

What's ridiculous in spotting that on numerous occasions when he's on the pitch?
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I mentioned stats because they are proof that you're greatly exaggerating the negative aspects of his game to the extent that you are completely disregarding his positive contribution to our season. His stats show that he's not at all poor on the ball, and by comparing his stats with others we can see that he's actually a pretty efficient and effective player who scores or assists regularly. If you want to totally disregard statistics in favour of your emotional response to how he has played that's fine. If you value pressing more than cutting edge, I could imagine Martial might not be your type of player. I personally go through a rollercoaster of emotions during a game, but as I look back at the season, the kid's done ok with the chances he's had. He's far from a perfect player, but I don't like that United fans have already turned on him after a little speculation about his future. Painting him as some kind of dud isn't going to mean he won't be missed if he leaves.
 
Outs: Darmian, Fellaini, Shaw (loan), Mata (maybe), Carrick.

Ins: Sandro, Aldeweireld (maybe), Bale or Greizmann, B2B (energic, good on the ball and physical).
 
our: mourinho, pogba, lindelöf, sánchez

in: poch, alderweireld, milinkovic-savic, eriksen
 
Last summer, the signing of Lindelof and the attempted signing of Perisic hinted at Jose wanted to move to a 3 at the back system. In the end he couldn't get the players he needed but I wonder whether he might finish that job this summer? Links to Sessegnon may point towards that, who would be a good wing back.
 
In's:

Sandro(£50m)
Erikson(£100m)
Fred (£40M)
Kovacic (£50m)

total - 240m

Out:

Blind - £10m
Rojo - £15m
Shaw- £25m
Martial- 60m
Darmian - £15m
Carrick - 0
Fellaini - 0
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£125m

Net - £115m


----------------DDG---------------------
---Valencia/TFM Bailey Lindelof A.Sandro--
-----Fred/Matic----Kovacic----Pogba----
-----Erikson-------Lukaku-----Sanchez
 
Sparky Rhiwabon said:
Last summer, the signing of Lindelof and the attempted signing of Perisic hinted at Jose wanted to move to a 3 at the back system. In the end he couldn't get the players he needed but I wonder whether he might finish that job this summer? Links to Sessegnon may point towards that, who would be a good wing back.
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I would like that, i'am a big fan of the system if played correctly and it fits our players better than the 4-3-3 if only for the reason that we don't have any real wingers and it is piss hard to find a good RW that would be a realistic signing for us.

Young and Valencia would also fit better in a 3-5-2 system and Meunier (who I hope we will sign for the right side) also fits that system like a glove

-------------------DDG-------------------------
-----Alderweireld--Bailly--Lïndelof------------
Meunier------------Matic-------------Sessegnon
-------------Sergej--------Pogba--------------
---------------Lukaku---Sanchez--------------
 
KirkDuyt said:
Sell Jose, sack Pogba, buy Pep and hire Salah.

Seriously though, is it a good idea to completely rework the team again? I see people suggesting getting rid of around 10 players and signing another 3/4 big names. Basically starting from scratch again. Maybe it’s time to make the team United hve perform above their level a bit. It’s not like the current players are shit. I know it’s mostly about money inthis day and age, but a team will also get better by playing together and training. There’s room for improvement with what there is now. The current strategy for most top clubs seems to be just throw money at your squad until something sticks. How about developing existing player instead of replacing them after a few bad games.
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Tend to agree. Our main problem is a lot of the player we sign don’t perform to their expected level. I could roll off a list but it’s pretty much 90% of the players we have signed since Fergie retired.

I think there has been a real lack of scouting and working out what do we need. Too many short term fixes or this galaticos nonsense has cost us dearly.
 
Half these squads are unrealistic and the other half aren't much better than our current XI, if at all.
 
Out:
  • Darmian 20
  • Blind 10
  • Shaw 20
  • Fellaini Free
  • Carrick Free
  • *Smalling 20M
  • *Martial 60M
  • *Income: 130M
Loan:
  • Tuanzebe
  • Fosu-Mensah
In:
  • Alex Telles 40M
  • Djibril Sidibe 50M
  • Geoffrey Kondogbia/Fred 50M
  • Joel Pereira (Free)
  • *Mahrez 50M
  • *Expenditure: 190M

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De Gea
Sidibe Bailly Rojo Alex Telles
Kondogbia Matic
Pogba
Mahrez Lukaku Sanchez​

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Romero/3rd Gk
Valencia Jones/Smalling Lindelof Young
Herrera McTominay
Lingard Mata Pereira/*Martial
Rashford​
 
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I think we could be fairly active, maybe being forced to move for one or two players and loaning them back to their respective teams.

I think we could expect:
LB: Sandro
CM: Fred
CB: Alderweireld
RW: Maybe a Malcom or Kulivert

However, I think we could sign Sessegnon and loan him back to Fulham for a season. Neves I don’t see leaving wolves yet, but if he does, perhaps we would be forced to sign him and loan him back too, but I imagine we’ll get one midfielder this summer and the second next.

Out:
Martial - unfortunately
Blind
Darmian
Shaw
Fellaini
Maybe Smalling/Jones if we actually sign a CB.

I think the only uncertainty is over the CB position, we could probably get away with not strengthening again there and instead strengthening the RB position, but I suspect TFM could be given a try first.
 
De Gea

Valencia Bailly Smalling Sandro

Fred Matic Pogba

Bale Lukaku Sanchez

This is what I'm expecting and I'm not happy about it:eek:​
 
In: LB - Tierney
CB - Alderweireld
CM - Fred, Dembele
RB - ...? Meunier, odriozola?

Out: Darmian, Shaw, Blind, maybe fellaini

Ideal 11:
De gea
Meunier Bailly Alderweireld Tierney
Matic
Fred Pogba
Sanchez Martial
Lukaku

If martial is sold we need a replacement: dybala, Douglas Costa, Willian
 
Outs:
Carrick
Blind
Darmian
Shaw
Fellaini
Jones/Smalling



Ins:
Sandro
Alderweireld
Jorginho
Fred
Bring back TFM from loan (no need for new RB)
And if Martial leaves we need someone to replace him ie Griezmann, Dybala, Willian etc


DDG
TFM Bailly Alderweireld Sandro
Jorginho
Fred Pogba
Sanchez Lukaku Martial
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In:
LB : A.Sandro
CB : Alderweireld
CM : Fred
CM : Savic
RM : Malcom

Out:
GK: Romero
LB: Shaw
RB : Darmian
CB: Rojo
CB: Jones
CM: Blind
CM : Fellaini
CM : Carrick
AM: Mata

Jose says we aren’t looking for attacking players but we’re desperate on the right side both at right back and right wing, hopefully we sign a winger along with TFM pushing Valencia out of the starting 11.

Mata out could be viewed as edgy but Jose seems to prefer Lingard and Alexis through the middle and he’s useless on the right, I can see him going this summer.
 
I think the first question to ask is:

Can we build a strong enough team to beat City for the league?

If the answer is no, then why change anything? Seriously.. (as depressing as that is). Pragmatically, we're going to finish 2nd in the league and the CL is always a bit of a lottery anyway.

Therefore, the only real option seems to be to stick or twist and if we twist then we're likely having to play Moneyball tactics:

- Alderweild is available cheap
- Greizman is available 'cheap'
- Umtiti is available 'cheap'
- Bale might be available cheap

Who else?

- Jonny Evans at £3m is cheap
- Tiernney would maybe be cheapish as we could put the pressure on Celtic

---------------Lukaku
--Sanchez---Greizman---Bale
-----------Pogba-----Matic
Young----Umtiti-----Bailey--Valencia
---------------De Gea


Injuries aside, could that team compete with City for the league? Maybe.
 
I think it's time to retire the Kovacic dream unless Zidane gets fired. He's starting tonight.

My first choice, assuming we can sign 4 players instead of 3 what with the surprise big Martial fee I think is coming:

---------------Lukaku-------------
--Sanchez---------------------Pulisic-
-----------Pogba---Koke--------------
---------------Matic-------------------
Sandro-Alderweireld-Bailly-Valencia
---------------De Gea---------------

I'm not American but I just think Pulisic's quality at 19 is fairly outrageous and his dribbling aggression is something we don't have. Obviously someone like Griezmann would outplay him next year, but I think Pulisic would be a rare wide attacker Mourinho actually likes for however long he's around, and then he should be a star if he develops at a normal rate considering where he is now.

Koke likely can't be bought but I'm surprised how few CMs there are I love as options.

Presumably Spurs will try like hell to send Aldereweireld abroad for a decent fee and maybe someone like PSG or Barcelona or Madrid will jump in but if not he's presumably going domestic and at least we won't be taking Dier or Eriksen then.

And we'd need an RB in the summer of 2019.
 
sunama said:
In the last 3 decades, have we ever had 11 out and 5 in?
This is not realistic.

And the idea that we should sell Rojo and Blind, while keeping Shaw?
Rojo and Blind have each put in more good performances than Shaw, over the last few years.
And let's not forget that Shaw is either injured, unfit to play, fat or all 3? On what basis would anybody in the right mind want to keep Shaw? He is into the final year of his contract this Summer and we need to off-load him. If lucky, we might get £10M, though more likely it will be closer to the £5M. The guy just doesn't seem keen on being a pro footballer.
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I meant realistic as in possible signings, not number of signings. Of course we wont sign more than four and probably release a similar number. I did also mention I think we should make wholesale charges like Guardiola isnt scared to, dont think it will happen though no.

As for keeping Shaw over Rojo and Blind.....both are awful left backs and very average centre backs, both talent and performance wise. Rojo got raved about as it was a surprise he was decent at centre back when he had been so awful for us before as a full back. Shaw did actually put in good performances for us on the lead up to his big injury and is far more talented than the others. I would like to see him make it here as the ability is there. Whether the attitude or injuries/fitness is up to scratch is another thing altogether, maybe he has had enough chances. Personally I think a centre back is just as much of a priority if not more. We dont seem to have a single centre back who seems to have been able to stay fit and consistantly perform to a good level this year, how many years must we say that about some of our centre backs? I do think Bailly is a real rough diamond....but would any of our other centre backs get anywhere near the first eleven of the top sides in the major leagues? No partnership is available anywhere near a Pallister/Bruce, Stam/Johnsen, Rio/Vidic

PS more like closer to £5m?? it isnt 2001 you know, even how we criminally sell players we offload cheap, I know Shaw hasnt performed well for us, but......anybody in there right mind want to keep Shaw....£5m, I am guessing you are definately not an accountant
 
P-Nut0712 said:
Do you see Mourinho heading into next season with the same CBs though? Given how much he's complained about the speed the ball has been coming out from the defence I can see him wanting to change it up.
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I for one certainly hope not. We sure have numbers central defender wise, but do we have any genuine quality (Bailly potentially). With the like of Tuanzabe and Mensah comign through I would be more than happy to offload two or three of our average at best centre backs to sign a quality one, something we should have done last year. Lindelof looks decent on the ball but Im still not convinced he is anything other than an average centre back, think we failed in the market in that regard last year and it needs to be rectified.
 
I dont foresee too many 'ins', Alderweireld, a FB, and a midfielder(Kovacic?). Maybe one or two youth promotions, Mou will do a clear out of players who are not happy with the amount of game time they are getting and wish to move. And players that simply are not in his plans, and Carrick will retire.
 
abdo99 said:
Outs:
Carrick
Blind
Darmian
Shaw
Fellaini
Jones/Smalling



Ins:
Sandro
Alderweireld
Jorginho
Fred
Bring back TFM from loan (no need for new RB)
And if Martial leaves we need someone to replace him ie Griezmann, Dybala, Willian etc


DDG
TFM Bailly Alderweireld Sandro
Jorginho
Fred Pogba
Sanchez Lukaku Martial
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Do you mean dropping Matic? Or as competition for him/an option to play two defensive minded midfielders against top opposition? I don't think it is realistic that Mourinho would drop/replace Matic for at least a couple more years. I haven't see Jorginho play so I can't really have an opinion on the matter. I think that line-up would be great though, provided Alexis can perform on the right.
 
OfficialUnitedDogWalker said:
Do you mean dropping Matic? Or as competition for him/an option to play two defensive minded midfielders against top opposition? I don't think it is realistic that Mourinho would drop/replace Matic for at least a couple more years. I haven't see Jorginho play so I can't really have an opinion on the matter. I think that line-up would be great though, provided Alexis can perform on the right.
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I'd actually drop Matic yes and replace him with Jorginho or another deep lying play maker if I was manager. Mourinho probably won't see it that way but Jorginho is the real deal. If you haven't seen him play then you should watch some clips of Napoli this season. Every attacking move flows through him. His distribution and passing is top notch. Players can't get touch tight to him because he has the ability to make those one touch passes and play himself out of pressure. Matic although he's strong defensively holds on to the ball too long and dawdles too much. I want someone more dynamic and capable of distributing the ball more effectively. But for sure we can get another season or two from Matic and strengthen elsewhere. He's far from being our biggest problem. And if Sanchez can't perform on the right I'd bring in a Mahrez/Malcolm/Bailey ie a RW and switch him back to the left but then you drop Martial which is a problem. If it was down to me I'd play Sanchez upfront, Martial on the left and bring in a RW to play a fluid interchanging front 3 like Liverpool (Mane, Salah, Firmino) or Napoli (Callejon, Mertens, Insigne) but again that's never going to happen because Lukaku is untouchable.
 
Out:

Darmian - Not sure what he offers anymore, rarely plays and when he does he's pretty average. Considering he's highly rated in Italy, it's worth selling him while we can and getting some decent money for him.
Blind - 5th choice CB, not considered for CM and 3rd/4th choice LB? A decent player and someone who can fill in anywhere but we have a lot of versatile players so he's not really needed and he's someone who can fetch a decent price in this market.
Mata- Been here since Moyes, and he's never massively impressed under any manager. Used to manage good output under LvG but even that has went down under Mourinho and I feel there are much better options out there.

In

Alex Sandro: Seems Juventus are more likely to let him leave this summer. Be alot of competition for him I'd imagine but he would transform our left hand side. Young has done a decent job but this guy is a few tiers above him.
Jorginho: Someone I rate highly. Concerns over whether he could adapt to the pace of the PL and a new system but alongside two of Pogba/Matic/Herrera I think he would do really well and be a good replacement for Carrick.
Riyad Mahrez: Mourinho has stated he won't buy another attacker but someone like Mahrez would complete our attack, clearly we haven't got a specialist RM. Mata hasn't done enough there, I'm not sure what position Sanchez was bought for but he's not a RM, Lingard is decent enough there but much better centrally, Rashford and Martial are different players on the left. Mahrez is accustomed to the PL and has CL experience, he has been one of the best players in the league over the last few years and I feel he is ready for the next step up.
 
abdo99 said:
I'd actually drop Matic yes and replace him with Jorginho or another deep lying play maker if I was manager. Mourinho probably won't see it that way but Jorginho is the real deal. If you haven't seen him play then you should watch some clips of Napoli this season. Every attacking move flows through him. His distribution and passing is top notch. Players can't get touch tight to him because he has the ability to make those one touch passes and play himself out of pressure. Matic although he's strong defensively holds on to the ball too long and dawdles too much. I want someone more dynamic and capable of distributing the ball more effectively. But for sure we can get another season or two from Matic and strengthen elsewhere. He's far from being our biggest problem. And if Sanchez can't perform on the right I'd bring in a Mahrez/Malcolm/Bailey ie a RW and switch him back to the left but then you drop Martial which is a problem. If it was down to me I'd play Sanchez upfront, Martial on the left and bring in a RW to play a fluid interchanging front 3 like Liverpool (Mane, Salah, Firmino) or Napoli (Callejon, Mertens, Insigne) but again that's never going to happen because Lukaku is untouchable.
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He sounds just what we need! There were links with him, but they seem to have cooled recently. What is he like defensively? Better than Matic? Do you think they would they work together in a 3 with Pogba? Or would that be too defensive?

I also love the idea of a fluid front 3 with Sanchez, Martial and a RW, though we both know that will not be happening anytime soon.
 
Out
Darmian
Mata
Blind
Fellaini

Ins
Alderweireld
Sandro
Fred
Meunier


DDG
Bailly Alderwireld Lindelof
Matic
Meunier Fred Pogba Sandro
Lukaku Sanchez
 
If we sign a RW, what would you prefer?

a) Young talent: Pulisic, Malcom, Bailey, etc
b) RW with Premier League experience: Mahrez, William
c) Second striker: Griezmann or Dybala
 
Out:
Blind 15m
Darmian 15m
Carrick
Jones/Smalling 25m
Shaw 25m
Martial 60m

Ins:
Alderwiereld 40m
Sandro 60m
Milinkovic Savic 60m
Bale 60m
Meunier 40m (?)
 
GK: DDG, Romero
RB: Valencia, Henrichs, TFM
CB: Smalling, Bailly, Koulibaly, Jones, Tuanzebe
LB: Sandro , Young, Mitchell

DM: Neves, Matic
B2B: Herrera, Mctominay, TFM
AMC: Pogba, Fornals, Periera

AMR: Guedes (30m)/Wolf(30m), Lingard
AML: Sanchez, Martial

STK: Lukaku, Rashford


In

Henrichs (31m - minimum fee)
Koulibaly (45m)
Sandro (30m + Darmian)
Neves (20m)
Fornals 15m - minimum fee
Guedes/Wolf (20m-30m)

Out

Rojo - 12m
Blind - 12m
Darmian - swap
Fellaini - free
Carrick - retired
Mata - 20m
 
Ins :

Fabinho
Jorginho
Alderweireld
Mahrez

Outs :

Darmian
Blind
Valencia
Young
Jones
Fellaini
Mata


Team :

-------------DDG
Fabinho-Bailly-Alderweireld-Shaw
-------------Matic
------Jorginho-----Pogba
--Mahrez----------Sanchez
------------Lukaku

-------------Romero
TFM--Smalling---Lindelof-Rojo
----------McTominay
--------Herrera---Pereira
--Lingard----------Martial
-----------Rashford
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A lot of people are picking a midfield of:
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Fred - Matic - Pogba.
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It's too narrow, lopsided and defensive imo.
 
OfficialUnitedDogWalker said:
He sounds just what we need! There were links with him, but they seem to have cooled recently. What is he like defensively? Better than Matic? Do you think they would they work together in a 3 with Pogba? Or would that be too defensive?

I also love the idea of a fluid front 3 with Sanchez, Martial and a RW, though we both know that will not be happening anytime soon.
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Personally dont get the hype about him or the other midfielder of theres we are always getting linked with, think both are no better than what we already have from that I have seen. Why would we replace Matic with him? I wasnt sure about Matic as a signing, but he is one of very few players we have this season who have performed consistently. The Napoli players I do rate are Hamsik who is getting on, Insigne who is so under rated, cant believe no big clubs have come in for him...another left winger though so not for us now. The one player I would be happy signing of Napoli would be Khoubilay
 
In's:

Sandro(£50m)
Fred (£40M)
Jorginho (£50M)
Alderwiereld (40m)
Umtiti (£50m)
Mahrez (£50m)
Sidibe (£50M)

Total £330m


Out:

Blind - £10m
Rojo - £15m
Pogba - £60m
Martial- £50m
Smalling - £20m
Darmian - £10m
Lingard - £10m
Valencia - £5m
Carrick - 0
Fellaini - 0
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£180m

Nett spend: £150m

Bring back TFM and Pereira

It may not be realistic but that gets shut of the vast majority of the dead wood and inconsistent players.
 
All 3 United said:
In's:

Sandro(£50m)
Fred (£40M)
Jorginho (£50M)
Alderwiereld (40m)
Umtiti (£50m)
Mahrez (£50m)
Sidibe (£50M)

Total £330m


Out:

Blind - £10m
Rojo - £15m
Pogba - £60m
Martial- £50m
Smalling - £20m
Darmian - £10m
Lingard - £10m
Valencia - £5m
Carrick - 0
Fellaini - 0
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£180m

Nett spend: £150m

Bring back TFM and Pereira

It may not be realistic but that gets shut of the vast majority of the dead wood and inconsistent players.
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The fact you have Smalling, Pogba, Martial on 'out' and at just 20m, 60m and 50m respectively, makes this list a deadwood and gives us a reason why you shouldn't be taken seriously.
 
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