not sure what that is. but no respect is due something that is inherently absurd
Yet another mass shooting and at a church, again
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not sure what that is. but no respect is due something that is inherently absurd
If having it explained to you that you are wrong is 'nasty' then yea, OK.
I'll criticize prayer.
You have over 2000 years of fecking history to learn its bullshit that won;t stop anything. Its 2017, stop pandering to mythos.
From the 1st crusade with perter the hermit (who killed entire towns and then ate them) to 60 million dead in world war 2 and the 15,000 Americans killed every year by guns, prayer has done feck all for anyone. Ever.
Your god either doesn't exist or is a sadomasochistic bastard who could stop innocents being slaughtered but sits and watches. Either way, its not someone to turn to when you need help. And certainly won't stop the gun violence in America.
Trump even overturned Obama's very minor attempt to curb the deaths, and all that did was mean people with mental illness had some restrictions on what guns they could buy.
And why does all this happen? Money. Straight up bribery from the NRA. Trump calls himself a christian, doesn't burst into flames. You god gives no shit about you.
You have over 2000 years of fecking history to learn its bullshit that won;t stop anything. Its 2017, stop pandering to mythos.
From the 1st crusade with perter the hermit (who killed entire towns and then ate them) to 60 million dead in world war 2 and the 15,000 Americans killed every year by guns, prayer has done feck all for anyone. Ever.
Your god either doesn't exist or is a sadomasochistic bastard who could stop innocents being slaughtered but sits and watches. Either way, its not someone to turn to when you need help. And certainly won't stop the gun violence in America.
Trump even overturned Obama's very minor attempt to curb the deaths, and all that did was mean people with mental illness had some restrictions on what guns they could buy.
And why does all this happen? Money. Straight up bribery from the NRA. Trump calls himself a christian, doesn't burst into flames. You god gives no shit about you.
Or maybe you can jump down off that horse and actually read what's being said to you properly.
It's not about prayer for most of us, it's who's calling for them and at what cost.
Do you honestly not see a difference between "People are dead because of inaction, but don't just pray, fix it", and "People are dead but hurr durr god don't real!"
The Cafe Triple Jump:
First step: Acknowledgement of tragedy
Second step: Perfunctory expression of sorrow
Big Leap: Outrage, Blame, Vilification, Trump, GOP .......
do you honestly not see a difference between hurr durr whatever and my posts? hes asking for us to respect prayer. theres no good reason to do so. its counterproductive in these debates.
When the only response to these kinds of things, 307 mass shootings this year alone, is prayer, because that is all the nation does, pray, then its time to talk about the fact its the same as doing nothing. Because it is.
If you didn't keep missing the point people wouldn't need to keep saying it.
People get emotionally charged after events like this, especially when there is obvious solutions but those in power chose to ignore them.
If you decide to pray then go for it, just ignore those who say otherwise
It's really not doing nothing, but if the legislators were sincere they would also use their power to make changes to the law.
I'm think we should try interpretive dance next.
@SparkedIntoLife This has never been about criticising prayer, it is critiquing those in power limiting their intervention to prayer. Lawmakers have the power to cross divisions and actually bring about positive change, yet all they repeatedly do is offer thoughts and prayers, all the while receiving contributions from agencies vested in delaying this change as much as possible.
I mean for crying out loud over 600 children under 11yrs old injured or killed...HOW CAN THIS BE ACCEPTABLE?
I mean for crying out loud over 600 children under 11yrs old injured or killed...HOW CAN THIS BE ACCEPTABLE?
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A lot of the electorate are sick & tired of hearing the same crap from elected officials after each & every mass shooting event. They're put into power to pass laws and govern the country, not to offer prayers. We have clergy for the prayers and politicians for laws. Frustrated.
You don't think the GOP have any role to play in these continuing incidents?
It reveals a disturbing mindset if the response to a mass shooting is not "let's discuss ways to avoid a repeat" (which I have acknowledged will take a lot more than prayer alone, and it's disgusting to see whose who could fix it, but don't, hide behind prayer), but rather "let's prophecise about atheism"
Quite fair for people to discuss the external reasons in American culture which allow incidents like this to occur.
Exactly.
The problem with prayer being taken seriously is that is allows people to think if they pray they are actually making a difference, and then nothing else needs to happen.
This.
I was in church this morning.
A 'disturbing mindset' , lovely.
You take prayer seriously, you allow people to say 'thoughts and prayers' as if it were something meaningful. You want to pray, knock yourself out. But when all that anyone does is pray, don't be shocked about the next mass shooting.
Take your beef to the relevant thread.
It's one of Job's comforters.
That's really not what we think at all, unless we're a nun or brother living in a cloistered order who devote their whole lives to praying for others. For ordinary people of faith, good works and prayer go hand-in-hand.
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Poor little girl.
Rip. Ban guns.
That's really all I have to say, feck the rest.
That's really all I have to say, feck the rest.
The remarks about prayer were not disparaging. (A few are, but they've come in response to your misunderstanding and double down)
Take your hand off it. You're wrong.
The issue of gun control has been discussed to death on the Cafe. In the wake of a horror like this, people might at least let the blood dry on the bodies before using the tragedy as a soapbox on which to air the same old arguments.
You could also wait a bit before trotting out your usual complaints about how liberal the Caf is.
Not really. I don't see a call for positive action here, or anything productive:
Law and order... as time goes by, we are having less of both. Just in the last month or so: the deadliest mass shooting in U.S. history, a terror attack in the nation's largest city, a mass shooting in Texas, former campaign officials indicted, etc.
What on earth is going on?!
What on earth is going on?!
Ok, it's too soon to discuss this one. Can we discuss the Vegas killer? Sandy Hook?
He clearly said it's too early to politicise an event like this. It was his first post in the thread.
Those damn same old arguments.
If the problems weren't the same over and over and over again then maybe the arguments would be different but as it is it's the same shit all over again and nothing will be done.
When is the right time to start talking? Tomorrow lunchtime? Maybe just before tea?
If the problems weren't the same over and over and over again then maybe the arguments would be different but as it is it's the same shit all over again and nothing will be done.
When is the right time to start talking? Tomorrow lunchtime? Maybe just before tea?
No, gotta wait until the US went at least a year without a mass shooting. Anything else would be disrespectful and lack empathy.
If it's a Muslim then instantly, if it's a white guy then I think the correct response is not about gun control but mental health care and we can talk about it for about 5 minutes after the weather and before the adverts.
It doesn't matter what they look like or which god they pray to. The common denominator is their weapons. America needs to swallow its pride and get over this outdated notion that they have a right to bear arms.