I’m sure you mean well, but you’re preaching to a Taoist, mate. No one took my money for being conscious of my thoughts and focus. My point is not to promote “The Secret” but to connect the act of prayer with positive intentions. I used the term “law of attraction” because I thought it would be recognizeable.
Yet another mass shooting and at a church, again
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On the mental illness point; if the primary reason that's used is mental illness - why aren't there more women who are mass murderers?
A lack of big and fragile egos?
Note that in Norway, we have a bit less than a third of the guns per capita of the US, while the gun homicide rate is 1/90th.
When it comes to people wiping out their own families, I've read that it's been linked to the (usually) depressed man not being able to stand the idea that some other man might come along and do a better job of taking care of his family.
As for shooting like the most recent one, might have to do with men being inherently more prone to violence. Men are also less likely to seek help mental illnesses, so that's probably a contributing factor.
Hold on a second. There's about ten countries not listed there with similar, or worse (much worse in some cases), homicide rates per 100,000 than what the U.S. has. Brazil, Honduras, El Salvador, Nicaragua, Colombia, South Africa, Costa Rica, Guatemala, Panama, Jamaica, Serbia, Montenegro, Philippines, Uruguay, Venezuela etc. And there's x3 or x4 more guns per 100,000 in the U.S. than all of those countries, too. (Worth considering that guns are banned in Brazil too yet they continue to have an obscene amount of gun-related deaths every year.)
All homicides by gun are abhorrent and even one is too many, but let's have some context to that above tweet.
Too busy in the kitchen?
Going by the list, the context seems to be developed or western countries, with a couple of fairly developed Eastern European ones thrown in. Should be pointed out in the graphic, but it's not too hard to deduce simply by looking at it.
Interesting question. I wonder if it's related to whatever drives men to tend towards more violent forms of suicide too.
It is a very interesting question. There's been very few female serial killers throughout history and the ones (in British culture) which are infamous had domineering male partners (Hindley, West etc) so probably don't even fit the profile of a female serial killer in a way.
Women certainly have the capacity for fragile egos though, maybe it comes from societal pressure for men not to be perceived as weak?
Interesting, but still i'm struggling to think of the last woman who committed a mass murder like this? Whether through a shooting, or even a serial killer, without any men involved at all.
I take your points and I agree primarily, but can that be reason enough to account for all cases of mass killings?
Surely if it boils down to mental illness, there must at least have been 1 woman who's done the same?
I haven't heard about this, are suicidal men more prone to be more violent? In most societies/cultures?
I meant men tend to choose more violent forms of suicide (shooting, hanging, etc.) than women. It's part of why the rate of suicide is higher amongst men as those more violent methods tend to fail less often. That's the case in studies I've seen from western countries anyway.
In the context of your point in relation to the apparently more violent outward impulses of men with mental health issues, I think it's interesting that those violent impulses seem to remain even when directed at themselves.
These men have to show the world how unhappy/angry they are. It's immature.
I was going to reply, but you saved me the job. Well said, and yes, it is obviously only listing the so called elite, developed first world countries. Brazil has an awful murder rate, but it is undeniable that there is nowhere on earth that suffers mass shootings like in the USA. Some Middle Eastern and African/Asian countries suffer far more terrorist attacks and bombings, some on a daily basis but that's not the same thing either. The fact is the USA has a serious problem with guns, mental health issues, and mass shootings resulting from one or both of those problems. These poor people who died in church of all places are being disrespected in death, as have all victims of these awful tragedies, by the reluctance or opposition of anything meaningful being done to try to prevent any more happening.
I don't hold out much hope of this passing, but I suppose we can hope and pray.
Americans seem more prone to violence compared to other developed nations whether they have gun control themselves or not.
Part Wild West mentality from when it was formed, through to civil wars and cowboys and so on, part forever at war mentality (has there ever been a period where the US hasn't been involved in a war since it was formed? Genuine question) and the biggest part, massive insecurities both as a nation (projecting themselves all over the globe, military spending, historically from when it was formed both by fleeing religious persecution and by being such a comparatively young country and culture) and as individuals (clinging onto the constitution like gospel, constant referral to country as best, one nation under god types, general obnoxiousness of stereotypical types). Add in rampant and destructive capitalism allowing rich individuals and corporations/organisations to have a huge sway over their governments at local, state and national level and it's a horrible mix.
Surely then, because of this, there should be gun control. I always point this out when someone mentions Norway or Switzerland (oh but they have guns and they're alright so mah rights! 'murica!). Don't let violent people have violent means to kill lots of people or at least limit it as much as possible.
Part Wild West mentality from when it was formed, through to civil wars and cowboys and so on, part forever at war mentality (has there ever been a period where the US hasn't been involved in a war since it was formed? Genuine question) and the biggest part, massive insecurities both as a nation (projecting themselves all over the globe, military spending, historically from when it was formed both by fleeing religious persecution and by being such a comparatively young country and culture) and as individuals (clinging onto the constitution like gospel, constant referral to country as best, one nation under god types, general obnoxiousness of stereotypical types). Add in rampant and destructive capitalism allowing rich individuals and corporations/organisations to have a huge sway over their governments at local, state and national level and it's a horrible mix.
Surely then, because of this, there should be gun control. I always point this out when someone mentions Norway or Switzerland (oh but they have guns and they're alright so mah rights! 'murica!). Don't let violent people have violent means to kill lots of people or at least limit it as much as possible.
I watched True Detective S1 a while ago, and was convinced until very recently that the show was a scathing commentary on clichéd male 'heroism' as routinely presented by movies and TV; hell, was I wrong...the appalling, faithless meathead miraculously solved the case and 'got the girl' (his wife, in this case) while his brooding loner buddy was, apparently, a specialist in everything martial and technical. A veritable fantasy of crass male aspiration. Sigh...all that was missing in the epilogue was the 'boys' blowing smoke off the end of their phallic weaponry while muttering crap like "Sure is a tough job, pardner, but somebody's gotta do it."
And the tired rubbish above is a major part of America's gun problem, IMO: the U.S. has a culture problem - it's too easy to blame American men for violent behaviour when, 'truth is, they are force-fed a celebration of consequence-free violence from infancy.
And the tired rubbish above is a major part of America's gun problem, IMO: the U.S. has a culture problem - it's too easy to blame American men for violent behaviour when, 'truth is, they are force-fed a celebration of consequence-free violence from infancy.
Nope. There's never been a generation of Americans (going all the way back to the first English colonists in the 1600s) that hasn't fought a war.
It's promoted from a very young age as well through sports.
I'll be the first to admit that in my position group (linebackers) and in the sport I'm the head coach in (wrestling) I actively encourage aggression and violence in those kids.
Brilliantly said. I will say though that education can nullify that as seen by some of the posters on this site @Raoul @Carolina Red @SaintTresano spring to mind.
Yep. When I went into my first general "American Military History" course in college I was expecting it to begin with the American Revolution.
Nope! Our professor started us out in something like 1610.
Edit: pulled my notes up on my college hard drive. We started with the First Anglo-Powhatan War in 1610
learned well from our European for-fathers.
Learned well and improved.
Improved not the right word.
I was being sarcastic. Actually never learned would be more apt.
Leave aside the mass shootings, Chicago alone might beat all those countries combined. Sad, sad times.
For awhile the city I live in actually was outpacing Chicago in murders per 100,000
Little Rock, Arkansas was once the murder capital of the US.
Men are much more likely to commit violent crime than women, some of it from societal conditioning, but a sizable portion of it is genetic make up. For a large portion of human history the capability to spring into sudden violence has been essential for survival in males.
Hell, modern hunter/gatherer societies are extremely violent towards competing tribes/groups, simply because it's necessary for their survival.
I'm not saying gunning down people in a church has something to do with survival, but i firmly believe that through various factors, men have a capability of extreme violence that most women does not have
Saying that there should be more guns allowed to prevent mass shootings or minimize the damage of mass shootings, is a bit like saying that there should be more pedophiles in the film industry in order to prevent child abuse in Hollywood. The whole mindset is completely crackers.
So men are inherently more prone to violent crime, due primarily to their primal survival instincts? Interesting.
There's usually always a primal reasoning behind a large part of our social behaviour and mannerisms, so it definitely makes sense.
No matter how advanced we've become as a society, we are still animals
Unintentionally, I'm sure, but much of this 'deeper motivations' talk still sounds like the excusal of terrible behaviour.
this has some interesting theories - i wonder if anyone has compared suicide rates for Women in traditionally male occupations such as Army / police / firefighter roles
These are roles with significantly higher levels of mental health issues, higher suicide rates etc - if women are more resilient in these roles that would surely point to a biological difference over and above social conditioning.
So it's has scientificly proved then; gun ownership should be made illegal in the United States for men (and women).
Small rock complex
There's a gangland shooting on I'd say a fortnightly basis. For the small population it would rank it fairly high. Wasn't expecting fourth though either