Gaming Xbox Series X|S

Which of these do you prefer

  • Microsoft Game Pass

  • Xbox Game Pass


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Vampire Survivors is absolutely fecking wicked. Thought it looked odd but gave it a spin via cloud gaming and I was immediately hooked.
 
Seems a weird decision to increase the price. Anecdotes i keep hearing is that the PS price puts people off and is being blamed for the likes of Returnal not selling particularly well. Seems that all but the most established ip's are falling below sales expectations at that price. Most 3rd parties seems to have dropped to a lower price.
No idea how accurate any of that is.
Personally just reinforces my thought that, now more than ever, console gaming is overpriced shit compared to pc gaming.
 
Seems a weird decision to increase the price. Anecdotes i keep hearing is that the PS price puts people off and is being blamed for the likes of Returnal not selling particularly well. Seems that all but the most established ip's are falling below sales expectations at that price. Most 3rd parties seems to have dropped to a lower price.
No idea how accurate any of that is.
Personally just reinforces my thought that, now more than ever, console gaming is overpriced shit compared to pc gaming.

Always has been. Nothing new.

The GP will go up soon enough too, they can't subsidise forever. Then it will get really interesting how it moves forward going into the next gen.
 
Vampire Survivors is absolutely fecking wicked. Thought it looked odd but gave it a spin via cloud gaming and I was immediately hooked.

It wears off fairly quickly to be honest, but it is a fun little game for sure. Haven't looked on GP to see what they have in the way of similar, but on Steam there's lots of games like this for a couple of quid each.
 
Always has been. Nothing new.

The GP will go up soon enough too, they can't subsidise forever. Then it will get really interesting how it moves forward going into the next gen.
I think there was a debate back in the PS2 era. It was actually cheaper, there was a library of games that didn't get released on pc, being able to trade in games kept costs down. But yeah its painfully obvious they're a shit alternative that has nothing going for them now.
 
I think there was a debate back in the PS2 era. It was actually cheaper, there was a library of games that didn't get released on pc, being able to trade in games kept costs down. But yeah its painfully obvious they're a shit alternative that has nothing going for them now.

No, it wasn't. The games still cost more, and you could trade in PC games then too and they were still a lot cheaper even before Steam became a thing (which was about half way through that gen lifecycle IIRC). Also since the PS2 was an oddity (much like the PS3), it made it the worst of the big three consoles due to development (despite being theoretically well above the others) and an equivalent power PC wasn't far off the cost.

Anyway none of that matters really. The fact is this price increase is expected, but not something to fight over as you'd have to be incredibly braindead as a fangirl not to think what one company does, the others will do. That's how it always has and always will be. Like microtransactions, loot crates, yearly reskins, and shite launches, the people will pay so these things will happen.
 
They're complaining about $70, while we over here are getting €80. Was inevitable I guess. Who buys triple A titles at launch price anyway?
 
They're complaining about $70, while we over here are getting €80. Was inevitable I guess. Who buys triple A titles at launch price anyway?
All U.S prices are pre-VAT so it works out about the same. And Ragnorak was €75 for me, I think.

But yeah, very, very few big titles are worth the money anymore. It's probably just MS trying to get more people on Gamepass. Why spend that much for a game when you can get it for a tenner a month?
 
All U.S prices are pre-VAT so it works out about the same. And Ragnorak was €75 for me, I think.

But yeah, very, very few big titles are worth the money anymore. It's probably just MS trying to get more people on Gamepass. Why spend that much for a game when you can get it for a tenner a month?

And when they meet the new sign up threshold...
 
They're complaining about $70, while we over here are getting €80. Was inevitable I guess. Who buys triple A titles at launch price anyway?

I regularly buy games at launch.

People seem to think games operate in their own vacuum. It's actually miraculous they stayed around £40/50 for so long. As production costs rise of course that is eventually passed onto the consumer. Also unless you buy digitally the game is usually about £10 less that the RRP.
 
It wears off fairly quickly to be honest, but it is a fun little game for sure. Haven't looked on GP to see what they have in the way of similar, but on Steam there's lots of games like this for a couple of quid each.
I was thinking about building a PC for this reason but apparently the new consoles are better bang for your buck in terms of hardware.
 
I was thinking about building a PC for this reason but apparently the new consoles are better bang for your buck in terms of hardware.
Hardware yes, games no outside of the game pass trick
 
I regularly buy games at launch.

People seem to think games operate in their own vacuum. It's actually miraculous they stayed around £40/50 for so long. As production costs rise of course that is eventually passed onto the consumer. Also unless you buy digitally the game is usually about £10 less that the RRP.

Moneybags over here
 
I was thinking about building a PC for this reason but apparently the new consoles are better bang for your buck in terms of hardware.
I dont think they're directly comparable like that. Theres no value in console gaming, they're not a budget option anyway.
 
I regularly buy games at launch.

People seem to think games operate in their own vacuum. It's actually miraculous they stayed around £40/50 for so long. As production costs rise of course that is eventually passed onto the consumer. Also unless you buy digitally the game is usually about £10 less that the RRP.
Regularly? I just can't do it, it's pointless. I've got such an insane backlog that splashing out for a full priced game at launch is a ridiculous waste of money. I mean, maybe at some point during the next year I can finally consider grabbing Elden Ring, that's how hopeless it is. I genuinely don't understand where other people find the time, and I spend a lot of time playing video games.
 
Moneybags over here

I don't see the issue, honestly. It's my main past time.

People wouldn't bat and eyelid at spending that on a night out. Games offer more value for money than that and you can always trade it when you finish.
 
I regularly buy games at launch.

People seem to think games operate in their own vacuum. It's actually miraculous they stayed around £40/50 for so long. As production costs rise of course that is eventually passed onto the consumer. Also unless you buy digitally the game is usually about £10 less that the RRP.
I'd have no problem buying games at launch for that price if they're actually a finished product like Elden Ring and Ragnorak. The problem is so many are basically released in an unfinished state and we're their testers for the next six months while they fix the bugs. Why would I pay for that? it's why pre-ordering is so dumb these days.

I made the mistake of pre-ordering Cyberpunk and playing it at launch, waste of money. Now if you buy it you get a much better game for half the fecking price.
 
What else would he spend that money on? He's got no life afterall..
 
Regularly? I just can't do it, it's pointless. I've got such an insane backlog that splashing out for a full priced game at launch is a ridiculous waste of money. I mean, maybe at some point during the next year I can finally consider grabbing Elden Ring, that's how hopeless it is. I genuinely don't understand where other people find the time, and I spend a lot of time playing video games.

I've bought most third party games I'm interested in at launch.

I am privileged that I do get most first party Sony titles for free, but if I didn't I wouldn't mind dropping the money on them.

I rarely go out drinking or anything so I like to enjoy whatever free time I have. Also helps my fiance is a big gamer so we both get value out of them.
 
I'd have no problem buying games at launch for that price if they're actually a finished product like Elden Ring and Ragnorak. The problem is so many are basically released in an unfinished state and we're their testers for the next six months while they fix the bugs. Why would I pay for that? it's why pre-ordering is so dumb these days.

I made the mistake of pre-ordering Cyberpunk and playing it at launch, waste of money. Now if you buy it you get a much better game for half the fecking price.

Generally speaking you can tell which games are likely to justify the cost at launch if you're a big gamer.

Obviously there's outliers like CP2077, but I knew Elden Ring would be worth every penny; similarly I knew Calisto Protocol wouldn't.
 
I dont think they're directly comparable like that. Theres no value in console gaming, they're not a budget option anyway.

Does it really get much cheaper than Xbox with a Game Pass? I have Series X which was a bit more expensive than Series S but would probably be perfectly fine with the latter which would set me back €250 plus €40 a year for Game Pass while using the conversion trick. Is PC gaming much cheaper than this?
 
I'd have no problem buying games at launch for that price if they're actually a finished product like Elden Ring and Ragnorak. The problem is so many are basically released in an unfinished state and we're their testers for the next six months while they fix the bugs. Why would I pay for that? it's why pre-ordering is so dumb these days.

I made the mistake of pre-ordering Cyberpunk and playing it at launch, waste of money. Now if you buy it you get a much better game for half the fecking price.
I'm not sure Elden Ring actually deserves the tag of being a finished product at launch, considering the various performance issues across all platforms, most notably stutter and frame pacing.
 
Does it really get much cheaper than Xbox with a Game Pass? I have Series X which was a bit more expensive than Series S but would probably be perfectly fine with the latter which would set me back €250 plus €40 a year for Game Pass while using the conversion trick. Is PC gaming much cheaper than this?
Its not going to cost much to build a pc with series s performance to be fair. Gamepass is pretty good value, but you dont need a console for it.
 
I'm not sure Elden Ring actually deserves the tag of being a finished product at launch, considering the various performance issues across all platforms, most notably stutter and frame pacing.
Fair. It worked perfectly for me on PC but a friend of mine had that awful stuttering and had to give up.
 
Fair. It worked perfectly for me on PC but a friend of mine had that awful stuttering and had to give up.

That's always the risk with PC games. Even the most well optimized games could potentially run like shit on a PC.

I don't recall any issues with performance on consoles.
 
That's always the risk with PC games. Even the most well optimized games could potentially run like shit on a PC.

I don't recall any issues with performance on consoles.
There were definitely issues with the ps5 version to the point where people were installing the ps4 version instead.
 
There were definitely issues with the ps5 version to the point where people were installing the ps4 version instead.

I had PS5 version at launch and don't recall any issues. Either way it's such a minor thing and IMO no reason to baulk at paying for it.
 
Its not going to cost much to build a pc with series s performance to be fair. Gamepass is pretty good value, but you dont need a console for it.

Yeah reckon it would still be more than €250. They are selling them at a loss and I imagine Microsoft would have found a way to manufacture them cheaper if any random dude could build a PC of similar performance cheaper.

I haven’t owned a PC or a laptop in nearly 10 years so I don’t really know what they cost but that sounds very, very cheap.
 
I wont pay £70 for a game. Any game that costs that much I'll wait for a sale and play something else of GP.
 
Yeah reckon it would still be more than €250. They are selling them at a loss and I imagine Microsoft would have found a way to manufacture them cheaper if any random dude could build a PC of similar performance cheaper.

I haven’t owned a PC or a laptop in nearly 10 years so I don’t really know what they cost but that sounds very, very cheap.
I doubt you could buy a pc with series s specs unless you bought it second hand. You wont get a pc for 250 but you wont be paying for online access or 70+ for games and whatever you do get is going to have much better performance than a series s.
I dont think series s is competing with pc to be honest, its competing with streaming which costs nothing.
 
There were definitely issues with the ps5 version to the point where people were installing the ps4 version instead.

They weren't "issues" as I recall, it was just that the framerate jumped around whereas the ps4 version runs (on ps5) at a flawless 60fps. You get better visuals on the ps5 version (increased vegetation and such), but lower performance.

I played on the ps4 version as I preferred the stable framerate - its not like Elden Ring or any other FS games are standard bearers in the graphics department anyways.
 
I doubt you could buy a pc with series s specs unless you bought it second hand. You wont get a pc for 250 but you wont be paying for online access or 70+ for games and whatever you do get is going to have much better performance than a series s.
I dont think series s is competing with pc to be honest, its competing with streaming which costs nothing.

And Microsoft are investing a lot in streaming so they do recognize that.

I think Series S is basically the sweet spot for a casual gamer that spends less than 10 hours a week on gaming. It's very cheap, has access to Game Pass so you will have virtually no costs after you buy the system and subscribe, for all the talk about holding this generation back it's also by far the easier access to this generation for a lot of people.