Xavi

The Carrick or Xavi argument is weird. Carrick and Xavi could easily play together and would actually be pretty amazing together.

Carrick is more comparable to Busquets than to Xavi in the role that he plays for United. Busquets and Xavi play together quite easily.
 
Xavi would suck as holding player for team that plays like United when partnered by Paul Scholes. It shouldn't even be debatable. The defence would end up horrendously exposed. At the rate some of you are disputing this you will soon try to convince us that Scholes and Zidane would make a great 2 man center midfield partnership!

Xavi would not suck as a holding player at all. What can Xavi not do in that position that Carrick can? Intercept? Xavi is quite adept at that. Play simple balls? Xavi is the very best. Position? Xavi isn't actually a slouch. Tackle? Carrick doesn't tackle very often. Control the tempo of a match? Xavi is the best at that. Workrate? Xavi is up at the top of the pile there also.

I cannot fathom how people cannot see how Xavi could play a holding role... He is too good to play in such a role though.

Xavi could quite easily have played with Scholes back in 2008.
 
The Carrick or Xavi argument is weird. Carrick and Xavi could easily play together and would actually be pretty amazing together.

Carrick is more comparable to Busquets than to Xavi in the role that he plays for United. Busquets and Xavi play together quite easily.
The thing is them playing together was never the issue. The person who started the thread was wondering whether people would prefer to see Xavi play alongside Scholes instead of Carrick. That was back in 2007.
 
Who thinks that?

Xavi can play in a deeper role. He has every single quality needed.

For all this bollocks about tackling and defense, with Xavi you'd have 60% of the ball.

He can play in a deeper role but not next to Scholes. Barca's pressing makes him look better defensively than he is (like it does with every player of theirs). He is capable defensively but in terms of a deeper role he'd be suitable to play Scholes' recent role, that of a deep lying playmaker, but next to someone who gives enough protection ala Carrick. Not in place of Carrick alongside Scholes.
 
Who thinks that?

Xavi can play in a deeper role. He has every single quality needed.
He already plays in a deeper role. He just isn't holding player. Nor would he be of any use alongside another out and out playmaker incapable of defending, whilst he has to do the job of protecting his back 4. In a side that doesn't press like Barca yet has one one out and out winger who can't defend, and another who can on he opposing flanks.
 
He already plays in a deeper role. He just isn't holding player. Nor would he be of any us alongside another out and out playmaker, whilst he has to do the job os protecting his back 4. In a side that doesn't press like Barca yet has one one out and out winger who can't defend, and another who can on opposing flanks.

I don't agree for one second. There is not one single attribute missing from Xavi's game that could prevent him from playing in a deeper role than he already does. He has everything needed.
 
I cannot fathom how people cannot see how Xavi could play a holding role... He is too good to play in such a role though.
Xavi started his career as Guaridola's replacement in the very role Busquets currently plays. It also almost cost him his Barca career. The idea that he'd be great as a holding player in team that doesnt press like Barca, most especially alongside Scholes of the last 3-4 years makes no sense at all.

Xavi could quite easily have played with Scholes back in 2008.
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Xavi started his career as Guaridola's replacement in the very role Busquets currently plays. It also almost cost him his Barca career. The idea that he'd be great as a holding player in team that doesnt press like Barca, most especially alongside Scholes of the last 3-4 years makes no sense at all.

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Xavi is ten times the player now than he was when he started playing. People can improve by the way.
 
Xavi is ten times the player now than he was when he started playing. People can improve by the way.
Not the point. He still has all the weaknesses in his game that made him initially fail in the role. Having him anchor a midfield alongside a Scholes would be the same as trying to get a Pirlo to do it. Or Paul Scholes himself for that matter. He simply doesn't have the defensive awareness required for the role. The role of being a protector in chief of a back 4. That is why his career took off the moment he was relieved of duty in that Guardiola role.

It is only in the current Barca set up he could get away with it. Not any where else.
 
Why not? What would stop him? Tell me one single thing that he cannot do in that position?
He doesn't have the defensive awareness required. Xavi is Paul Scholes with superior work rate and interception skills. If you think he can play that role you must also believe Scholes would have made an excellent holding player.
 
Not the point. He still has all the weaknesses in his game that made him initially fail in the role. Having him anchor a midfield alongside a Scholes would be the same as trying to get a Pirlo to do it. He simply doesn't have the defensive awareness required for the role. The role of being a protector in chief of a back 4. That is why his career took off the moment he was relived of duty in that Guardiola.

It is only in the current Barca set up he could get away with it. Not any where else.

What are these weaknesses?

Is it simply a defensive awareness? What would you regard to be the main attributes needed for defensive awareness? And what has Xavi not got to his game in relation to that?

Xavi has improved exponentially as a player. When I am talking about Xavi, I am talking about his current ability, not his ability 7-10 years ago. He is a player that has developed and has got better with age, and still seems to be reaching his peak despite his relatively old age.

I can see absolutely no reason why Xavi could not play a deep role. It's not 2000 anymore or whatever year Xavi was playing in that position. This Xavi has everything needed in my opinion. If he was a better tackler, he'd be phenomenal.
 
He doesn't have the defensive awareness required. Xavi is Paul Scholes with superior work rate and interception skills. If you think he can play that role you must also believe Scholes would have made an excellent holding player.

No, Scholes wouldn't have been that good in that role.

Xavi has more defensive skills than Scholes ever had. His ability to close players down, intercept and workrate for a deep lying central midfielder would be far better. One could argue either way about the passing. Scholes' long balls are possibly better.

Xavi wouldn't have been as good as Scholes playing behind the front man. Xavi has more qualities to play deeper.
 
Is it simply a defensive awareness? .
Simply? A holding player is useless without it. Xavi just like Scholes has never had it. They can defend. But they lack the ability to defend a back 4.

Xavi has improved exponentially as a player. When I am talking about Xavi, I am talking about his current ability, not his ability 7-10 years ago.
So am I. He still has the very same weakness that made him not succeed in the Guardiola role.

I can see absolutely no reason why Xavi could not play a deep role. It's not 2000 anymore or whatever year Xavi was playing in that position. This Xavi has everything needed in my opinion. If he was a better tackler, he'd be phenomenal.
He'd be freaking raped alongside a Scholes.
 
He can play in a deeper role but not next to Scholes. Barca's pressing makes him look better defensively than he is (like it does with every player of theirs). He is capable defensively but in terms of a deeper role he'd be suitable to play Scholes' recent role, that of a deep lying playmaker, but next to someone who gives enough protection ala Carrick. Not in place of Carrick alongside Scholes.

Agreed, just because he has certain attributes associated with a holding player, it does not mean he could perform that particular role as effectively as Carrick.

Xavi has defensive capabilities but is not a naturally defensive player. His best attributes are better suited to a more advanced playmaker role.
 
I have to agree with The Chief. Xavi AND Scholes in a two man midfield would not be ideal.

Xavi, Scholes and Carrick in a three man midfield. Now that could've worked. :drool:
 
Simply? A holding player is useless without it. Xavi just like Scholes has never had it. They can defend. But they lack the ability to defend a back 4.

So am I. He still has the very same weakness that made him not succeed in the Guardiola role.

He'd be freaking raped alongside a Scholes.

How do you know he hasn't got defensive awareness? He doesn't play in that role. There is nothing to suggest that aspect hasn't improved in his game, as has every other aspect of his game over the years.

Also, as I already asked, what is defensive awareness? What attributes of defensive awareness does Xavi lack? He doesn't lack one single thing to play in that role, not one.

Today's Xavi would not be raped against Scholes.
 
They can't play together. Oh Yes they can. What? he's an AM who sits deep not a DM who plays on the front foot. Box to box? No he has a two box allergy, he has to chose which one, he picks ours if he's plying with Anderson and thiers if it's Gibson. Yes but only against a 3-5-2. If they are wearing white of course it's pretty much the opposite.

Why was there never this nonsense when we signed Keane, when we had Ince and Robson already? Because it's nonsense, even moreso now with the squad.
 
How do you know he hasn't got defensive awareness? He doesn't play in that role.
He plays alongside Xabi Alonso or Busquets for Spain in a 2 man holding partnership and he still always leaves all the direct protecting of the back 4 to them. The only thing he helps them do is double team in similar fashion to what Scholes has done with all his partners at United. The same way Pirlo did for Italy alongside Gatusso.

The Barca system of play has clearly fooled you into thinking he is better defensively than he actually is.


Furthermore, if you have to even ask what defensive awareness of an anchor man is, you have no business discussing this topic further.
 
How do you know he hasn't got defensive awareness? He doesn't play in that role. There is nothing to suggest that aspect hasn't improved in his game, as has every other aspect of his game over the years.

Also, as I already asked, what is defensive awareness? What attributes of defensive awareness does Xavi lack? He doesn't lack one single thing to play in that role, not one.

Today's Xavi would not be raped against Scholes.

What are we talking about here?
 
He plays alongside Xabi Alonso or Busquets for Spain in a 2 man holding partnership and he still always leaves all the direct protecting of the back 4 to them. The only thing he helps them do is double team in similar fashion to what Scholes has done with all his partners at United.

Why would you waste a talent like Xavi's and play him in that role? He is too good to anchor a midfield. It does not mean he can't play there. Just because he doesn't or he wasn't able to in 2000, doesn't mean he couldn't now, which is the point.

Furthermore, if you have to even ask what defensive awareness of an anchor man is, you have no business discussing this topic.

I already explained some of the main attributes for that role, so don't think that I'm going to accept such a condescending comment. If you can't answer the same question I keep asking, then you've no business answering every single other facet of my posts whilst ignoring the same thing over and over again.
 
Why would you waste a talent like Xavi's and play him in that role? He is too good to anchor a midfield.
That isn't the point at all

It does not mean he can't play there. Just because he doesn't or he wasn't able to in 2000, doesn't mean he couldn't now, which is the point.
He can't play it because he doesn't have the defensive awareness required and he has never had it. There is no other reason why.

I already explained some of the main attributes for that role, so don't think that I'm going to accept such a condescending comment. If you can't answer the same question I keep asking, then you've no business answering every single other facet of my posts whilst ignoring the same thing over and over again.
Frankly there shouldn't be anything to answer. Anyone discussing holding players must already know that defensive awareness is the most important facet of an anchor man's play. Just remember Makelele in his pomp or watch a De jong play.

Defensive awareness is what makes such a player an expert at killing the oppositions flow of play, whenever his team loses the ball. As a result they tend to win it back more than anyone in their team. It is the one thing that makes the player an expert at killing danger before it reaches his back 4. Allowing them to always be in the right place, at the perfect time to either make a crucial tackle, block, interception or foul to stop a move developing into a certain goal and to quench counter attacks. It is not an attribute anyone should be explaining to a person so cock sure that Xavi would make a great holding player.

Besides, how many times have you seen a Xavi do that for Barcelona or Spain what a Makelele did since you started watching him play?

You are basically trying to convince that if Xavi was playing for example, playing for a Real Madrid instead of a Diarra or Xabi Alonso, he would do a far superior job protecting the back 4 against a side like Barca. You certainly can't see how ridiculous the idea is.
 
1x World Cup
1x European Championship
6x Spanish league titles
3x Champions League titles
1x Spanish Cup
5x Spanish Super Cups
2x European Super Cups
1x World Club Cup
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1x World Cup
1x European Championship
6x Spanish league titles
3x Champions League titles
1x Spanish Cup
5x Spanish Super Cups
2x European Super Cups
1x World Club Cup
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Add another club world cup to that list. They will win that one too this year.
 
Incredible haul of medals there. Trying to think of players with similar collections, Zidane is all that comes to mind at the moment.
 
Those medals mean nothing unless he can perform against Stoke on a winter night at the Britannia :p.

Incredible achievement and he will probably win a few more CLs and La Liga's. Xavi is as important to Barcelona as Messi is, a great player.
 
World Cup and an European Cup with Wales? Incredible!
Maybe not internationally, but at club level he has more in all the English equivalents, and only 1 less European Cup. If we're talking variety of medals as opposed to volume of medals, the France '98-2000 team would be up there.
 
Maybe not internationally, but at club level he has more in all the English equivalents, and only 1 less European Cup. If we're talking variety of medals as opposed to volume of medals, the France '98-2000 team would be up there.

That France team was the first to come to my mind.
 
1x World Cup
1x European Championship
6x Spanish league titles
3x Champions League titles
1x Spanish Cup
5x Spanish Super Cups
2x European Super Cups
1x World Club Cup
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Pedro and Iniesta's medal tally would be mind boggling given that he'll probably have three-four more years more than Xavi playing in that Barca side.
 
He just broke a EC record in number of successful passes and so did Spain. Xavi attempted 136 passes and completed 127. Spain completed 788 of 860 passes.

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