good on the coaches to resign, the manager hasn't
WWC23 | England v Spain - Spain win the World Cup - and Rubiales gets sacked
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That's because Vilda is the same cnut as Rubiales and they're friends.
Pathetic by Vilda not to resign as well.
Out of interest what do you think anout the latest developments, in the context of your comments about culture?
Rubiales stood by Vilda last year when 15 players wrote letters to the federation asking them to address the working conditions around him. The response was just to exclude the players unless they apologised. Only 3 of the 15 were selected for the world cup in the end.
They are both nasty cvnts backing each other up.
They are both nasty cvnts backing each other up.
I've not kept up to date; in terms of culture (country level) and any posibilities there is something there, i've not seen or read anything that changes my mind that it's an unanswered question. Other posters can jump up and down all they want, cite this group or that, it's a representative of a group, not the group (e.g. there have been no votes in groups on the issue i'm aware of). It'll remain unanswered, probably, until we hear from him.
As for the rest (corporate level); It's a mess, that is football, b*m slapping, kissing others, hugging etc is throughout the adult game and not aligned to many western models of corportate behaviour/laws. Even one of the spanish team, i believe, grabbed and wiggles one of her private parts to a camera. Until football, as a whole, changes, it's in danger of a two tier systen, a system of separation. When really, it stems from the governing body not coming down on unnecessary contact in both the mens and womens game equally.
Given this is going legal, i'm not going to get involved with commenting on he said/she said and attributing blame or not attributing blame.
Fair play to them.
Xavi and De La Fuente also had more proactive statements in support of Hermoso.
The thing, though, -as made evident now with some of the coaching staff vacating alongside the whole squad and several players more- is that "the kiss" is just a symptomatic, peripheral event. All those people, players and assistant coaches alike who have first hand experience with the daily life of the team, stood up despite the federation blacklisting 15 players last year for complaining about the coach and his methods (there's an obvious continuity between those two events).
We can bend hypotheticals all day about "the kiss" to somehow imagine the ones where it's an awkward but innocent mistake. But that the players and some of the staff themselves are very obviously at the end of their patience speaks volumes on how godawful the environment with Vilda and Rubiales must have been for a while.
Add on top of that the other unsavoury behaviours he's alleged to be had and his whole demeanor in this and it's not really not hard to imagine he's an horrific boss at the very least.
Even without accepting any blame or culpability you have to reckon that his legitimacy to direct over the women's team is broken and he should be moved to other functions.
God, you're so obvious...
Who is?
I am? The only thing your post demonstrates is that you fill holes in gaps where full knowledge doesn't exist.
You suggested though that this furore is coming about because of a fundamental misunderstanding of spanish culture by non Spaniards.
Yet almost a dozen Spanish coaches have resigned now because of this and top Spanish politicians have also commented.
So how do you square this with your previous posts?
Could you also give some examples of the Spanish players wiggling private parts to a camera and perhaps expand a little on exactly what you mean by that?
I think you’ll find I asked a question whether there was a element of country level culture. Did you read my comments on corporate culture? Why would I need to square anything?
People tend to do that when things are obvious. The fact your portray this as he said/she said tells me everything I need to know about where you stand on this. Your refusal to admit you were incorrect shows you're not this seeker of truth you pretend to be (the now common "just asking questions" bullshit), but you've made up your mind, sadly on the wrong side.. So yeah, you're really obvious...
Your comments? You copy/pasted something you found on google, didn't even edit out the mistakes.
Thank god. I assumed so but wanted to make sure.
incorrect in what? I’m not incorrect at all, nor have I formed a full viewpoint. Again you’re filling gaps and ignoring information.
Could you define what you mean by 'country level culture'? I don't understand how you could say it's unclear at the country level if this is acceptable behaviour when basically anyone in Spain (well, boy literally; a representative sample) not working with Rubiales has condemned what he did - so I'm wondering if I just don't understand your term here.
I did. I even asked you a question about it, about the spanish players wiggling private parts in cameras.
I obviously dont follow the woman’s game as closely as you so I was keen to have some examples of it? Would appreciate it if you could link them, thanks.
Squaring it because you suggested the response is down to people not understanding Spanish culture, yet the resignations have been Spanish today. Do they not fully understand their culture do you think? Just wanted fo understand how you felt your comments and the events of the past couple of days went together.
I didn’t say it was or wasn’t acceptable; I asked whether all the behaviours could have an element of country level culture. It’s other who focused on one behaviour. If you look through the posts youll see the Lewis model and question about cultural imperialism
Why are so many of you biting?
Yep, that and the faux intellectualism some are using to hide behind what they really think of late on here is very obvious. And even more tedious.
Questions you never actually get into yourself. You're 'just asking questions' without ever engaging with all the arguments people have provided why this is apparently not acceptable behaviour in Spain (given all the uproar comes from Spain itself) - and so I have no idea what cultural imperialism is doing in your post here.
I'm also not sure what 'all the behaviours' refers to. The entire discussion is about one very specific event.
You appear to think you're the one applying intellectual rigour here, but really all I see is intellectual dishonesty - or otherwise a very lazy application of half-understood theories.
Never mind just doubling down, why not keep going...
Remember - this is the kind of threat making and self-justification that goes on in public against one of the biggest stars in the women's game. Imagine the kind of threats that they can make in private to players and officials who are thinking about making a complaint about their conduct away from the cameras.
Remember - this is the kind of threat making and self-justification that goes on in public against one of the biggest stars in the women's game. Imagine the kind of threats that they can make in private to players and officials who are thinking about making a complaint about their conduct away from the cameras.
Narcissists the lot of them, concerned only with their own position. The delusion is impressive.
Yup. It's as predictable as it is depressing. It's basically men telling women to speak up, but you can bet that we will do everything we can to downplay what happened or find ways to blame you for it. Oh and better be prepared for the shit storms coming your way on social media. But other than that, yeah, we will totally have your backs.
Their handling of this is insane. If Rubiales had come out with an apology to her and the public when it became a "thing," this would likely all be over. Even if he gives the excuse of being caught up in the moment but realizing that what he did was wrong and inappropriate, he likely could have carried on with only a few days of pushback. Instead, he's destroying his own career and reputation along with that of everyone else at RFEF who is supporting him. It's indicative of him never facing consequences for his misdeeds before and his belief that he can treat the women's players however he wants. It's disgusting.
Stop falling for the bait. There is a reason that poster is still a Newbie after 7.5 years and 2k posts.
More support for Hermoso and the womens NT.
Wtf are you talking about? Is it OK to kiss someone on the lips if they don't consent? Yes or no?
I left him well alone after failing to get a straight answer to a very simple straightforward questions. He’s just clogging up the pages at this point, offering nothing useful to the discussion.
Good to see La Liga teams making those statements. How much pressure can Rubiales withstand?
It's ok, the poster is gone now.
Oh dear, how sad... never mind
The rats have spotted that the ship is sinking.
Odd that, I thought he was the chap who was enthusiastically applauding Rubiales's speech yesterday. Mistaken identity I guess.
Odd that, I thought he was the chap who was enthusiastically applauding Rubiales's speech yesterday. Mistaken identity I guess.
A quick primer for anyone who wants a brief history of Rubiales as the head of RFEF.
He's still a UEFA VP - presumably we'll hear that he's temporarily suspended tomorrow.
He's still a UEFA VP - presumably we'll hear that he's temporarily suspended tomorrow.
Wow. Sounds like an interesting organisation to work in to say the least. If you're part of the establishment you're golden, otherwise...
Spanish people are generally touchy feely to me but that seemed inappropriate even if it were in the heat of the moment. He just had to apologise and "nip it in the bud" if you will.. instead he becomes the new antagonist for one of mainstream media's biggest agenda/program.
Spanish people are generally touchy feely to me but that seemed inappropriate even if it were in the heat of the moment. He just had to apologise and "nip it in the bud" if you will.. instead he becomes the new antagonist for one of mainstream media's biggest agenda/program.
"Mainstream media agenda?" That's a poor way of describing people who have a problem with management misconduct in the workplace.
In its way, it's a good thing that his overwhelming sense of entitlement and his belief that he is untouchable stopped him from apologising. The fact he continued down the path by getting his publicity team to manufacture a statement the player hadn't made and then threatening to sue the player (using the RFEF's money) is a testimony to the man and what he considers normal.
As the president of the Liga F (women's professional league in Spain) commented - “The character that many of us know in private has been seen publicly."
Wish there'd be a media agenda and programming for that, so that more workplaces would be more pleasant.
And yes, I guess it's better late than never. But it'd be a pity if all he loses is a job.
It has been handled very badly, but for it to blow over would be to risk having the issues it highlights sink again into the background—a rear-guard done to preserve the old ways. There's a real chance to break this open, break it down. Rubiales' complacent arrogance in the face of the uproar is serving to show people what lies behind such macho, invasive shows of entitlement.
I have zero interest in women's football and roll my eyes inside when I hear people saying the women's game and men's game should be treated equally.
But this guy has actually made me feel like the women's game should be completely separate with its own governing body. Nobody should have to put up with that crap.
But this guy has actually made me feel like the women's game should be completely separate with its own governing body. Nobody should have to put up with that crap.