Exactly.There's a video doing the rounds from Spain's dressing room after the game where (I think?) one of her teammates asked her about it and her response in that moment was that she says she didn't like it.
Exactly.There's a video doing the rounds from Spain's dressing room after the game where (I think?) one of her teammates asked her about it and her response in that moment was that she says she didn't like it.
Yuk, how out of touch is this cnut. I'm going to kiss this woman I don't know on the lips live on national television, this is a great idea, she most be so honoured to be kissed by me.
I think you are right, at this point in the womens games growth taking it places where the womens game could do with a boost is a good idea.Africa and Latin America have never had one so I think either Brazil our South Africa would be a good choice for the overall growth of the game.
And today, after complaints from the Spanish minister of sport amongst others, we get the classic, "I'm sorry if if it bothered other people," non apology from Rubiales.
I would think the response to this should be pretty universal. You don't just haul off and grab and kiss a co worker or employee on the mouth in any workplace no matter how "excited" you are on the win/achievement. I mean there may be exceptions if you are best friends or you know full well that it's mutual and appreciated.There's a video doing the rounds from Spain's dressing room after the game where (I think?) one of her teammates asked her about it and her response in that moment was that she says she didn't like it.
It's grim.I would think the response to this should be pretty universal. You don't just haul off and grab and kiss a co worker or employee on the mouth in any workplace no matter how "excited" you are on the win/achievement. I mean there may be exceptions if you are best friends or you know full well that it's mutual and appreciated.
Was a bad mistake by probably Englands best player.Bronze absolutely effed it with that dumb disposession leading to the Spain goal. Oof, would be livid if I was one of her teammates.
Was a bad mistake by probably Englands best player.
For this tournament, my vote for England’s best player would go to Lauren Hemp or Mary Earps. (To Mary, if I’m honest).
Lucy Bronze is of course a brilliant player over time. Bad luck to be so harshly punished, she didn’t have a good game in general thougj.
Agreed. Bronze has been a key player for England and there isn't an obvious replacement for her. She's 31 and she's had a few injuries. That may have been her last tournament. The error itself can happen to any player doing that wingback job, but she really didn't seem to be anticipating that long run back.Ye I'd go with those 2 shouts - no absolute stand out player though
Bronze is past her best unfortunately, but we shouldn't forget she has a pretty good shout of being the greatest Lioness ever
Disguisting behavior by Rubiales but I'm sure many in this place dont see anything wrong with it.
In this thread yes. But there's a certain thread about a certain player who was released from the club in which there are some, many extraordinary takes. So I was just making a connection.Strange comment seeing as every single post has rightly condemned him
Bit of a shame that Spain win is overshadowed by this and also constant mentions of the previous strike threat, but hopefully it can lead to positive change
In this thread yes. But there's a certain thread about a certain player who was released from the club in which there are some, many extraordinary takes. So I was just making a connection.
Not so different in the sense that one who thinks, for example, Greenwood's wife isnt the victim (and its been said) might say there's nothing wrong with Rubiales kissing the Spanish female player on the mouth.Thats a big jump to be making - totally different situations
Agreed. Bronze has been a key player for England and there isn't an obvious replacement for her. She's 31 and she's had a few injuries. That may have been her last tournament. The error itself can happen to any player doing that wingback job, but she really didn't seem to be anticipating that long run back.
Barcelona of course now have Ona
Not so different in the sense that one who thinks, for example, Greenwood's wife isnt the victim (and its been said) might say there's nothing wrong with Rubiales kissing the Spanish female player on the mouth.
Lets agree to disagree then.Don't want to take this thread off topic but I don't agree and don't think it's helpful to compare such different situations when literally no one has come here to defend Rubiales
If someone does then feel free to jump on it
Disguisting behavior by Rubiales but I'm sure many in this place dont see anything wrong with it.
Thank you for just proving my point.I actually did not watch the ceremony live but I re-watched it now and paused for each player and re-winded to study it closer here is what I gathered:
1. Every spain player looked totally comfortable with their celebration with Rubiales. There was no one with a body language that shown they were alarmed or disturbed.
2. Rubiales cheek kissed Lucy Bronze as well as an indicator he has some kind of relation to her with her being in Spain.
3. Rubiales also kissed the spanish male coach and embraced him in the same way as all the female players.
4. The people standing before Rubiales also cheek kissed most of the players.
5. The only thing I found out the ordinary was the kissing of Hermoso and even that I found to be pretty innocent. You can see Rubiales pull away from Hermoso and being all wild and riled up with joy and then giving her that quick kiss on the mouth. (I dont know how well they know each other, just that both of them said they have great relationship)
Overall: From the outrage I expected Rubiales to act like a proper clown and really being silly. After seeing the entire footage and the context I conclude this was nothing but but a spider fart.
Footnote: If you want to connect the drama in the spanish team to the kiss on the mouth on Hermoso, yes, that could make sense I guess. But other than that I dont see anything alarming and think its been way way overblown.
Thank you for just proving my point.
Earps has been stellar but in my opinion Greenwood has been magnificent. She has adopted to that position so quickly and has been reading the game brilliantly.For this tournament, my vote for England’s best player would go to Lauren Hemp or Mary Earps. (To Mary, if I’m honest).
Lucy Bronze is of course a brilliant player over time. Bad luck to be so harshly punished, she didn’t have a good game in general thougj.
Unfortunately I agreeEarps has been stellar but in my opinion Greenwood has been magnificent. She has adopted to that position so quickly and has been reading the game brilliantly.
Yea, she’s been good. I still feel klnda bitter that she left Casey’s project so early and then chose Man City upon returning. Guess it shouldn’t be surprising as she came to us from Liverpool.Earps has been stellar but in my opinion Greenwood has been magnificent. She has adopted to that position so quickly and has been reading the game brilliantly.
So according to you its not disguisting for instance if a boss at some job goes around and kisses his female colleagues on the mouth?You did not make any point so it would be impossible for me to prove a point you never made. You just came in the thread and claimed that Rubiales behaved in a disgusting manner. So you did not make any points or even tried to the make any points, you just left a one line opinion without giving any explanation as to why it was disgusting.
I am pretty sure if there was not previous dirt on Rubiales or the coach (who I also dont support or care about) this would have been a total none issue.
Its a great shame it stole some of the headlines, which of course is what the media is there for, to blow things out of proportion.
And this is coming from someone has fought sexism and males looking down on womens football for 5+ years. But I like to call things like it is and not overreact on a single instance with bias from other events.
I will save my CRY WOLF for when something remotely sinister happens.
It was understandable a few years ago that top players saw their future away from United. But it’s disappointing that this still seems to be the case, even after the rapid progress we’ve made.Yea, she’s been good. I still feel klnda bitter that she left Casey’s project so early and then chose Man City upon returning. Guess it shouldn’t be surprising as she came to us from Liverpool.
I don't think being happy and excited is sufficient justification for acting inappropriately. I can forgive the odd over-enthusiastic hug particularly in a country where a hug and a cheek kiss is part of the interaction between friends. Even there, I draw the line before it gets to a kiss on the lips or a pat on the bottom though.You did not make any point so it would be impossible for me to prove a point you never made. You just came in the thread and claimed that Rubiales behaved in a disgusting manner. So you did not make any points or even tried to the make any points, you just left a one line opinion without giving any explanation as to why it was disgusting.
I am pretty sure if there was not previous dirt on Rubiales or the coach (who I also dont support or care about) this would have been a total none issue.
Its a great shame it stole some of the headlines, which of course is what the media is there for, to blow things out of proportion.
And this is coming from someone has fought sexism and males looking down on womens football for 5+ years. But I like to call things like it is and not overreact on a single instance with bias from other events.
I will save my CRY WOLF for when something remotely sinister happens.
Strange comment seeing as every single post has rightly condemned him
Bit of a shame that Spain win is overshadowed by this and also constant mentions of the previous strike threat, but hopefully it can lead to positive change
Yeah, the government pressures Rubiales to resign and if he doesn’t, he could be disqualified from his position for something between 2 and 15 years for improper conduct.Spanish PM now criticises Rubiales - will now surely be strong calls for him to resign
Was a bad mistake by probably Englands best player.
"Rubiales begged Jenni Hermosa to appear together with him in the apology video.
Vilda tried to mediate with her relatives.
She refused."
The article it links to also suggests that she wasn't consulted on the RFEF statement that suggested it was ok with her...
Which means her only actual public comment so far was that Instagram video that said, "I didn't like it. But what do I do." It's believed that she's told them that she only wants to talk about the football.
She excels in certain areas — she's athletic, has/had a good motor and is strong and brave, she's massively competitive and is a great gee-up character for her teammates, is prepared to get boos using a bit of kidology, is a menacing figure for the opposition at set pieces and racing in to connect with long, lashing crosses, but her limitations are becoming more marked — she's losing speed and strength, she's a bit easy to second-guess when she's on the ball, and she's apt to mis-control at just the wrong moment (that's not just based on her move that got cut out and led to Spain's goal in the WC final; in this year's Champions League final she played a pass mid-pitch-ish to someone under pressure, got the ball back again and then got easily dispossessed trying to shepherd it across the pitch parallel with the goal-line, directly leading to Wolfsburg's first goal). She's a been an outstanding servant to England and a great egg, but she was a ways off being England's best player. I think that's between Lauren Hemp, Alex Greenwood and Mary Earps. Alessia Russo put in some very good performances too.Was a bad mistake by probably Englands best player.
She excels in certain areas — she's athletic, has/had a good motor and is strong and brave, she's massively competitive and is a great gee-up character for her teammates, is prepared to get boos using a bit of kidology, is a menacing figure for the opposition at set pieces and racing in to connect with long, lashing crosses, but her limitations are becoming more marked — she's losing speed and strength, she's a bit easy to second-guess when she's on the ball, and she's apt to mis-control at just the wrong moment (that's not just based on her move that got cut out and led to Spain's goal in the WC final; in this year's Champions League final she played a pass mid-pitch-ish to someone under pressure, got the ball back again and then got easily dispossessed trying to shepherd it across the pitch parallel with the goal-line, directly leading to Wolfsburg's first goal). She's a been an outstanding servant to England and a great egg, but she was a ways off being England's best player. I think that's between Lauren Hemp, Alex Greenwood and Mary Earps. Alessia Russo put in some very good performances too.