Wout Weghorst

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Let’s just get this done, and not waste the whole window faffing and negotiating like we are trying to sign Mbappe.

Happy to have him if the manager wants him but it should not take weeks. Our planning has always left a lot to be desired and excuses are thrown about like confetti.
 
James35 said:
Let’s just get this done, and not waste the whole window faffing and negotiating like we are trying to sign Mbappe.

Happy to have him if the manager wants him but it should not take weeks. Our planning has always left a lot to be desired and excuses are thrown about like confetti.
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Seems like it’s a complicated deal to be fair.
 
Grande said:
1. How do you know Gakpo was his first choice?
2. First choice at what?
3. How do you know we didn’t tap up Gakpo?

My best guesstimation is that we were interested in Gakpo in the summer, but prioritized Antony. We might still have been interested after that, but would not have money for it.
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We passed on Gakpo in the summer to prioritise Antony, although since the summer, we have seen the resurgence of Marcus Rashford, which is why no offers were made for Gakpo. He wasn't even in our plans for next summer. Romano stated that there was no discussions between United for Gakpo, so Liverpool had a free run at him, which is why he went there.
 
sglowrider said:
Was he? It was almost unanimous that Gakpo wouldn't make sense since there were enough right-footed LW in the squad. Wout makes a lot more sense than Gakpo.
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We had agreed personal terms with him in Summer 22 by all accounts.
 
Grande said:
1. How do you know Gakpo was his first choice?
2. First choice at what?
3. How do you know we didn’t tap up Gakpo?

My best guesstimation is that we were interested in Gakpo in the summer, but prioritized Antony. We might still have been interested after that, but would not have money for it.
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We wanted Gakpo in the summer, hard to argue Weghorst was a higher priority than someone we had agreed personal terms with in the summer window. I'm not against Weghorst but you'd expect more from a club our size.
 
Grande said:
1. How do you know Gakpo was his first choice?
2. First choice at what?
3. How do you know we didn’t tap up Gakpo?

My best guesstimation is that we were interested in Gakpo in the summer, but prioritized Antony. We might still have been interested after that, but would not have money for it.
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ETH wanted Gakpo for sure due to rashfords worrying form but things have changed dramatically with Rashford back to his best and the imminent sale of the club meaning no player purchases until that is complete. Weghorst looks like he will excel in ETH system and the team will benefit in kind. As the First defender in the press he will increase turnovers in top end of pitch with his work rate. His technique is good so hopefully he can chip in with more goals than lazy martial.
 
Martial will come back into better form. As long as he stays fit :nervous:
 
sincher said:
Martial will come back into better form. As long as he stays fit :nervous:
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History tells us that this still isn't enough unfortunately. Martial doesn't do well with competition for his place in the team.
 
MrSingh2002 said:
United spent the last 6 months working on identifying a move that relies on Burnley and Besiktas wanting to do us a favour.

We are bottom percentile for planning surely, in the world of football.

Every decision maker deserves sacking there for this. Could cost us a chance of a trophy.

I actually like Weghorst and he would've only been loaned out due to his wages I bet. They'd want him back if they go up.

But to not have players and clubs lines up for moves before the window started when you're in the position we're in is poor again.
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Our transfer policy is often wrong but in this case we didn't do anything wrong. We entered in season with two no9s. With both being considered (by manager) to have quality for being a starter.
It is not our fault that diva from Portugal decided to feck us up. Eth said that Ronaldo didn't say absolutely anything about leaving until that interview. According to that we spent all money for transfers (even more) on other areas.

Glazers are shit owners but in this case you can't expect from them to spend 50-100 mil on striker. We will buy cheap stop gap option and go for striker that we really want in next window.
 
GiddyUp said:
History tells us that this still isn't enough unfortunately. Martial doesn't do well with competition for his place in the team.
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He went up a few levels after Ighalo came in and started banging them in.
His best season on the left was when he was in direct competition with Rashford and they were pushing each other on.
Even though he had the looming figure of Ronaldo to contend with, he did pretty well when he was fit.

That said, I think whenever he's felt his performances weren't being rewarded - see Zlatan (obviously with the shirt number farce as well), and Sanchez, he basically just stopped trying. I suspect he doesn't react well when it's been made clear that he's the ... 'Spare' ;)
 
Let's just get this done, wish him luck, and get behind the guy as we do.... what little I know of him, is that he works his socks off, and leads the line. Both of which I welcome, and he could potentially provide a really good alternative and complimentary element to our attacking play. We have zero aerial threat, although ETH has stated that he is getting Rash' to work on his heading, and rightly so (note the fabulous winner against West Ham earlier this season, which seemed to really set his season off...). We need a bit more direct, strong, physicality to our attacking game, and that is what I am hoping Wenghorst brings. I'm not expecting bags of goals, as the likes of Martial and Antony, who play week in, week out simply have to step up.
 
MrSingh2002 said:
Which striker do you want United to sign?
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Considering the circumstances, I know no money/very little money is available so I am more than happy to see WW coming in. Certainly a better fit than Depay, or that Cameroonian lad we were linked too. WW will fit ETH brief at least.

fans need to realise that no corporate entity will spend money when a takeover is being sought. I’ve been through 3, you can’t even get sign off for a packet of pencils. So people can spin how they like but it’s just not gonna happen.
 
MrSingh2002 said:
United spent the last 6 months working on identifying a move that relies on Burnley and Besiktas wanting to do us a favour.

We are bottom percentile for planning surely, in the world of football.

Every decision maker deserves sacking there for this. Could cost us a chance of a trophy.

I actually like Weghorst and he would've only been loaned out due to his wages I bet. They'd want him back if they go up.

But to not have players and clubs lines up for moves before the window started when you're in the position we're in is poor again.
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Weirdly I don't think this is a negative thing like others do. It shows that we (and mostly ETH) has a target in mind/a player he wants and we're just not settling for whatever striker we can get.

The board could easily have told him "nah that's way too complicated because he's online" but because it's the man ETH wants they're backing him and trying to pull it off.
 
TheReligion said:
Its crazy posters don’t acknowledge that the Glazers have now decided to sell the club and plenty has changed over the past months.
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It is not just about that they want to sell. Fans always look at transfers like owners do it with monopoly money. We just spent 200 mil and fans demand striker of 70-80 mil.
Same will be this summer; "give ETH De Jong, Osimhen and Oblak ! Oh, we need cover for Bruno? Lets buy someone for 50 mil. Everything else shows that we are not backing the manager".
 
We need a striker until the end of the year and we don't have any money. This guy will have to do, not like we have a choice anyway.
 
TheReligion said:
Its crazy posters don’t acknowledge that the Glazers have now decided to sell the club and plenty has changed over the past months.
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Probably straying too far from your point but I also get the impression that United journos are overlooking the significance of this looming takeover too. And its effect on the club while the Glazers are still actively seeking to sell

The Athletic article this morning barely mentions it and speaks as though the club have long-term recruitment and scouting plans. It even says United will be better prepared this summer because "everyone knows Ten Hag will be the manager" - yes I hope so, but mostly when there is new ownership, the manager is immediately under the microscope. I don't know how they are so sure. And if the Glazers are still there, they will very likely not approve any major spending this Summer.

United's success for probably the rest of our lifetimes will be dependent on who the new owners are and their ambitions for the club. This is the biggest off-field United story since Sir Alex retired and so many seem to be thinking it's business as usual.

Wouldn't be surprised if come May/June the likes of Murtough, Fletcher, Arnold have all stepped down
 
ash_86 said:
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Not aimed at you ash, thanks for posting

But i'm sick of Romano. Not convinced he has any genuine sources for anything United do. Yesterday he said he wouldn't rule out a Felix to United loan when in real life behind the scenes Felix, United, Atletico and Chelsea all knew the player was going to Chelsea. Not isolated either. He gets caught out a lot but it's always overlooked because he says positive things.
 
I've come around to the idea that he should be given the number 2 purely for marketing purposes.
 
MrSingh2002 said:
We wanted Gakpo in the summer, hard to argue Weghorst was a higher priority than someone we had agreed personal terms with in the summer window. I'm not against Weghorst but you'd expect more from a club our size.
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MrSingh2002 said:
We had agreed personal terms with him in Summer 22 by all accounts.
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By all accounts, it was a choice between Antony and Gakpo considering the mega-spending already.
 
LawCharltonBest said:
Not aimed at you ash, thanks for posting

But i'm sick of Romano. Not convinced he has any genuine sources for anything United do. Yesterday he said he wouldn't rule out a Felix to United loan when in real life behind the scenes Felix, United, Atletico and Chelsea all knew the player was going to Chelsea. Not isolated either. He gets caught out a lot but it's always overlooked because he says positive things.
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It astounds me that posters think that football is fecking linear & there aren’t hundreds of moving parts when it comes to transfers & football in general & things aren’t as straightforward as you may think. It says more about your opinion of Romano (aka transfer god who gets nothing wrong) than about Romano himself.
 
LawCharltonBest said:
Probably straying too far from your point but I also get the impression that United journos are overlooking the significance of this looming takeover too. And its effect on the club while the Glazers are still actively seeking to sell

The Athletic article this morning barely mentions it and speaks as though the club have long-term recruitment and scouting plans. It even says United will be better prepared this summer because "everyone knows Ten Hag will be the manager" - yes I hope so, but mostly when there is new ownership, the manager is immediately under the microscope. I don't know how they are so sure. And if the Glazers are still there, they will very likely not approve any major spending this Summer.

United's success for probably the rest of our lifetimes will be dependent on who the new owners are and their ambitions for the club. This is the biggest off-field United story since Sir Alex retired and so many seem to be thinking it's business as usual.

Wouldn't be surprised if come May/June the likes of Murtough, Fletcher, Arnold have all stepped down
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Yes and no.

United will spend money in the summer regardless of the Glazers being here or not. There will be a new budget for the new financial year so this won’t be an issue. We are not ‘broke’ in that regard.

The difference now is we overspent somewhat so our budget for January is vastly reduced. Under owners that were staying this wouldn’t be an issue as they could look to rebalance this in the future. As it stands though, the club is up for sale at a fixed price. This process is ongoing and has likely been so for some time.

It’s fully understandable why the Glazers want to strictly operate within this years existing budget as not doing so would impact on club value and price which has already been set.

The issue currently is we are living day to day until the ownership is resolved. Liverpool have bought Gakpo as I assume they had more of their summer budget left and dedicated to January.
 
Apparently Utd have been for sale for a while and we still spent a shit load last summer.
United money isn’t Glazer money
 
LawCharltonBest said:
Not aimed at you ash, thanks for posting

But i'm sick of Romano. Not convinced he has any genuine sources for anything United do. Yesterday he said he wouldn't rule out a Felix to United loan when in real life behind the scenes Felix, United, Atletico and Chelsea all knew the player was going to Chelsea. Not isolated either. He gets caught out a lot but it's always overlooked because he says positive things.
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He's just an aggregate, he relays what he gets told.

Sometimes it's true, sometime's it's agents playing the market. Take everything with a pinch of salt.

I don't think anybody truly thinks he's 100% accurate and everything he says is gospel.
 
cyberman said:
Apparently Utd have been for sale for a while and we still spent a shit load last summer.
United money isn’t Glazer money
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Of course it is, they can manage this the way they want. The Glazers have allowed this spending of their assets and credit. They own us hence it being their money.
 
UnitedSofa said:
It astounds me that posters think that football is fecking linear & there aren’t hundreds of moving parts when it comes to transfers & football in general & things aren’t as straightforward as you may think. It says more about your opinion of Romano (aka transfer god who gets nothing wrong) than about Romano himself.
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Many occasions when he said United were after someone when the journalists who actually have sources and common sense would say something completely different and of course end up being right and Romano wrong. He's genuinely useless for United news. No idea how he sits on these youtube videos with that smug know-all face
 
arthurka said:
Of course it is, they can manage this the way they want. The Glazers have allowed this spending of their assets and credit. They own us hence it being their money.
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No it’s not. It’s not their money. And any credit that’s taken out is credit on the club.
 
cyberman said:
United money isn’t Glazer money
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I disagree

If they don't even have enough in the pot to take their dividends, there is no way they'd allow United to spend that same amount on transfers. If there *was* the £20m odd in the club going spare, the Glazers would have had it rather than allow United to buy a half decent striker with it
 
LawCharltonBest said:
I disagree

If they don't even have enough in the pot to take their dividends, there is no way they'd allow United to spend that same amount on transfers. If there *was* the £20m odd in the club going spare, the Glazers would have had it rather than allow United to buy a half decent striker with it
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They didn’t take out the dividends because they’re selling the club for 7 billion
 
Annihilate Now! said:
Weirdly I don't think this is a negative thing like others do. It shows that we (and mostly ETH) has a target in mind/a player he wants and we're just not settling for whatever striker we can get.

The board could easily have told him "nah that's way too complicated because he's online" but because it's the man ETH wants they're backing him and trying to pull it off.
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I know we like to spin towards the positive but come on there's no way he was even close to the man who ETH originally wanted. I doubt ETH was even that involved, it'll have been the club seeking and providing options post the Ronaldo clusterfeck.

I don't mind this transfer but sometimes you have to laugh at the situation for what it is.

There were barely any mentions of him a week ago and I'm fairly sure any suggestions would have been rightly ridiculed. Let's just hope he shocks everyone.
 
arthurka said:
Who owns the club? It's their asset and their money. No ifs and buts about it. We might not like it but it is what it is.
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You have no idea how this works do you? It's a publicly traded company, it's not "their" money by the slightest.
 
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